The Royal Forums Coat of Arms

Go Back   The Royal Forums > Reigning Houses > Princely Family of Monaco > Prince Albert and Princess Charlene

Join The Royal Forums Today
Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
  #341  
Old 07-21-2011, 03:12 PM
Royal Highness
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: N/A, France
Posts: 1,665
Quote:
Originally Posted by KittyAtlanta View Post
Stancia, do you have an Albert agenda of your own?
No but Monaco policemen are not all silent and some spoke about the supposed attempted flight.
__________________

__________________
  #342  
Old 07-21-2011, 04:04 PM
Royal Highness
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: N/A, France
Posts: 1,665
For french-speaking, here is a link of a tv-programm specialized on current events, broadcasted on a very serious french channel, France 5: C'est dans l'air. Yesterday, the subject was "Monaco: le rocher des rumeurs / Monaco, the rumours's rock". On the platform, maître Thierry Lacoste, the princely couple's lawyer, Colombe Pringle, Point de Vue' editor, Christophe Barbier, the editor of L'Express, Pierre Abramovici, journalist and historian.

The video is more than an hour long so I didn't watch the whole. But a few things have been said.
- Maître Lacoste is about to summon L'Express. He denys the attempted flight. He will only summon L'Express. His office has not enough time and lawyers to summon all the papers who wrote about the supposed flight. He has about two hundred documents to give to the court about the attempted flight.
He doesn't believe Christophe Barbier is lying but he thinks he has been mistaken and given false informations. He believes the wedding is a love wedding. He reminds that a wedding with a billion watchers is a source of an intense stress. Moreover, at a IOC meeting, families never sleep at the same hotel so it is not unusual that wife are in other hotels. He denies there is a third child. There is no negociations between the palace and a supposed mother and no request coming from a former lover of the prince.
- Christophe Barbier holds his own. He says he has several sources, not related to each others, and he won't display them till the case comes into court. He spoke about sources "at the closest to the palace". He reminds everybody about the protection of the sources (a fundamental principle in France - added by me) and is stunned to be asked the name of his sources by a fellow journalist. He looks quiet and not at all disturbed by the coming summoning.
He is under the impression maître Lacoste is more Albert's than Charlene's lawyer.
- There is a video with an interview of a people press' editor (if I am not mistaken about the title of her newspaper, it is very close to "yellow press"). She says they watched the wedding with a woman who is a translator for people with hearing disabilities and who can read upon the lips. This translator says prince Albert constantly gave Charlene orders during the ceremony: "go into the car", "kneel in front of the priest", "don't cry" ... Alas, the video keeps speaking of the honeymoon in South Africa. Maître Lacoste dismisses this as rubbish (or something like this).
- Colombe Pringle criticizes the princely palace's communication. She states Point de Vue has some sources about the flight which would confirm Christophe Barbier's paper. She gives no precision. However, she says there is nothing sure about the reason of the attempted flight. The pic on Point de Vue's cover was taken in South Africa in February.
- According to maître Lacoste, the honeymoon after the IOC meeting was in South Africa.
- Maître Lacoste is criticial towards papers on Internet, according to him informations are not checked when published on Internet. Colombe Pringle and Christophe Barbier protest.
- Their is a marriage settlement. Very simple. A notary appeared for and with Charlene. Confirmed by maître Lacoste.
- According to Pierre Abramovici (born in Monaco, former inhabitant of the rock), Nice Matin, the only paper specialized in Monaco, can't even published something critical about the princely family.
- Charlene is called "the sad princess" in Monaco.
__________________

__________________
  #343  
Old 07-21-2011, 04:06 PM
KittyAtlanta's Avatar
Heir Presumptive
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: KittyLand Junction, United States
Posts: 2,838
Only time will tell.
__________________
  #344  
Old 07-21-2011, 04:45 PM
lazuli's Avatar
Serene Highness
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Lisboa, Portugal
Posts: 1,220
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sancia View Post
For french-speaking, here is a link of a tv-programm specialized on current events, broadcasted on a very serious french channel, France 5: C'est dans l'air. Yesterday, the subject was "Monaco: le rocher des rumeurs / Monaco, the rumours's rock". On the platform, maître Thierry Lacoste, the princely couple's lawyer, Colombe Pringle, Point de Vue' editor, Christophe Barbier, the editor of L'Express, Pierre Abramovici, journalist and historian.

The video is more than an hour long so I didn't watch the whole. But a few things have been said.
- Maître Lacoste is about to summon L'Express. He denys the attempted flight. He will only summon L'Express. His office has not enough time and lawyers to summon all the papers who wrote about the supposed flight. He has about two hundred documents to give to the court about the attempted flight.
He doesn't believe Christophe Barbier is lying but he thinks he has been mistaken and given false informations. He believes the wedding is a love wedding. He reminds that a wedding with a billion watchers is a source of an intense stress. Moreover, at a IOC meeting, families never sleep at the same hotel so it is not unusual that wife are in other hotels. He denies there is a third child. There is no negociations between the palace and a supposed mother and no request coming from a former lover of the prince.
- Christophe Barbier holds his own. He says he has several sources, not related to each others, and he won't display them till the case comes into court. He spoke about sources "at the closest to the palace". He reminds everybody about the protection of the sources (a fundamental principle in France - added by me) and is stunned to be asked the name of his sources by a fellow journalist. He looks quiet and not at all disturbed by the coming summoning.
He is under the impression maître Lacoste is more Albert's than Charlene's lawyer.
- There is a video with an interview of a people press' editor (if I am not mistaken about the title of her newspaper, it is very close to "yellow press"). She says they watched the wedding with a woman who is a translator for people with hearing disabilities and who can read upon the lips. This translator says prince Albert constantly gave Charlene orders during the ceremony: "go into the car", "kneel in front of the priest", "don't cry" ... Alas, the video keeps speaking of the honeymoon in South Africa. Maître Lacoste dismisses this as rubbish (or something like this).
- Colombe Pringle criticizes the princely palace's communication. She states Point de Vue has some sources about the flight which would confirm Christophe Barbier's paper. She gives no precision. However, she says there is nothing sure about the reason of the attempted flight. The pic on Point de Vue's cover was taken in South Africa in February.
- According to maître Lacoste, the honeymoon after the IOC meeting was in South Africa.
- Maître Lacoste is criticial towards papers on Internet, according to him informations are not checked when published on Internet. Colombe Pringle and Christophe Barbier protest.
- Their is a marriage settlement. Very simple. A notary appeared for and with Charlene. Confirmed by maître Lacoste.
- According to Pierre Abramovici (born in Monaco, former inhabitant of the rock), Nice Matin, the only paper specialized in Monaco, can't even published something critical about the princely family.
- Charlene is called "the sad princess" in Monaco.

In a word, the all matter stinks!!!
__________________
  #345  
Old 07-21-2011, 04:57 PM
Royal Highness
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: N/A, France
Posts: 1,665
Just a precision about this TV-program. The presenter, Yves Calvi, is a very serious journalist, is trusted and has a very good reputation. C'est dans l'air often goes deeply into subjects with which other journalists deal in a superficial way and he likes to have guests with differents or opposed opinions on the subject.
__________________
  #346  
Old 07-21-2011, 05:16 PM
Courtier
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: LONDON, United Kingdom
Posts: 793
Why should they (newspapers/press/media tv) be allowed to 'seek and destroy'? Are they so PERFECT themselves that they can afford to judge and find guilty any person they like? We are all flawed individuals. There is no such thing as a perfect person, or a perfect diamond for that matter. These people should look at their own houses before throwing stones at others. So maybe Albert is not perfect, but who is? Or maybe these so called journalists think they are the only ones who have never made mistakes, or regretted past actions/decisions. While they are judging Albert who is judging them? People are not interested in these stories, this is just about making money as per usual. I for one, would hate to have my life put under a microscope; I have made bad decisions and mistakes and if you haven't ---- then lucky you!
__________________
  #347  
Old 07-21-2011, 05:23 PM
KittyAtlanta's Avatar
Heir Presumptive
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: KittyLand Junction, United States
Posts: 2,838
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sancia View Post
Just a precision about this TV-program. The presenter, Yves Calvi, is a very serious journalist, is trusted and has a very good reputation. C'est dans l'air often goes deeply into subjects with which other journalists deal in a superficial way and he likes to have guests with differents or opposed opinions on the subject.
I wonder if Calvi would like it if "a very serious journalist" went deeply into the subject of "him."
__________________
  #348  
Old 07-21-2011, 05:40 PM
Royal Highness
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: N/A, France
Posts: 1,665
Quote:
Originally Posted by angieuk View Post
Why should they (newspapers/press/media tv) be allowed to 'seek and destroy'? Are they so PERFECT themselves that they can afford to judge and find guilty any person they like? We are all flawed individuals. There is no such thing as a perfect person, or a perfect diamond for that matter. These people should look at their own houses before throwing stones at others. So maybe Albert is not perfect, but who is? Or maybe these so called journalists think they are the only ones who have never made mistakes, or regretted past actions/decisions. While they are judging Albert who is judging them? People are not interested in these stories, this is just about making money as per usual. I for one, would hate to have my life put under a microscope; I have made bad decisions and mistakes and if you haven't ---- then lucky you!
Newspapers are selling by millions when the Grimaldis are on the cover but noone is interested.
By the way, you all missed the point of the TV-program. It was not a program about: "Monaco: are the rumours true?" but "Monaco: how does it come that there are so many rumours about the principalty?" There were very good points about the way the princely palace works, the princely communication, etc... It is easy to criticize without having watched when you can.
It was a very interesting program in which every proof was given that people are interested in the Grimaldis because everything was made by the Grimaldis to have people interested in them. Monaco's economy is partly based on the interest for the princely family. One doesn't pay 20 millions euros for a wedding if he doesn't seek world-wide media attention.
In this forum, many posters are posting pics, are seeking pics of the princely family in every occasion, even private, and yet the journalists are blamed if they do the same. I really don't understand.
__________________
  #349  
Old 07-21-2011, 05:52 PM
KittyAtlanta's Avatar
Heir Presumptive
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: KittyLand Junction, United States
Posts: 2,838
We are not using any of the information we have/or seek to make money...we're just benign collectors of things royal/princely.

Did Calvi solve the problem of "how does it come that there are so many rumours about the principaliaty?" Perhaps you could share the conclusions of the TV program to which so many of us don't have access.
__________________
  #350  
Old 07-21-2011, 05:59 PM
Royal Highness
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: N/A, France
Posts: 1,665
Quote:
Originally Posted by KittyAtlanta View Post
We are not using any of the information we have/or seek to make money...we're just benign collectors of things royal/princely.

Did Calvi solve the problem of why "how does it come that there are so many rumours about the principaliaty?" Perhaps you could share the conclusions of the TV program to which so many of us don't have access.
I didn't watched the whole program but they explained that only a few people in Monaco has inside informations about the princely family. Lot of Monaco inhabitants are thinking they know the prince because they meet him in the streets but they don't, and Monaco is very small and has not a lot of inhabitants. So there are a lot of people who think they know everything about them although they know nothing.
There is another problem: there is no monegasque newspaper. The only one is Nice Matin, which is French and which never publishes a critic towards the family. And the communication of the palace is ... amateurish, with no main line. That could explain everyone thought the IOC meeting was the honeymoon although it was not.
Christophe Barbier said he was offered a phone meeting with prince Albert and when he phoned, the prince was already in South Africa. So there are many reasons to explain people are speaking: they think they know, they want to know, and they know nothing. Just an example. Nice Matin is saying the honeymoon was in Mozambique, as revealed by the couple. The couple's lawyer said it was in South Africa. It is a secondary point, but who is to be believed?
(Everyone explained the people I just spoke about were not bound to have been the sources of the rumours about the attempted flight.)
__________________
  #351  
Old 07-21-2011, 06:19 PM
Boris's Avatar
Heir Presumptive
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Los Angeles, United States
Posts: 2,202
Thank you Sancia for your summary of the French TV program including the conclusions it came to regarding the current state of things of the whole affair.
I figure it must be rather frustrating for you to stick to reporting the facts you have access to in the midst of a lot of 'tittle-tattle'; IMO the story which is developing here has quite a few interesting aspects, and not only regarding the machinations of of Monaco.
In general terms, it also brings up questions about the freedom of the press and about public persons trying to control the media, while at the same time allowing the media to invade their own privacy whenever it serves a purpose for them - a dilemma which is on a far more serious level for Royals in theit particular position than for mere celebrities, ever since they achieved a celebrity status themselves during the past century.
If a created image and the reality behind it diverge to a degree that makes the image impossible to maintain, of course no serious journalist will continue to buy and swallow this image, but rather seek the truth.
__________________
  #352  
Old 07-21-2011, 06:22 PM
KittyAtlanta's Avatar
Heir Presumptive
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: KittyLand Junction, United States
Posts: 2,838
I see. Thanks for the additional information. So, it's just another TV program that speculates on current speculation.

As for the honeymoon being in South Africa, Mozambique is considered southern Africa and shares a border with S.A. Perhaps it's just symantics.

I will wait for information from the Palace, but continue to read the speculation.
__________________
  #353  
Old 07-22-2011, 04:27 AM
Smush's Avatar
Courtier
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: near Bonn, Germany
Posts: 750
Quote:
Originally Posted by KittyAtlanta View Post
...
I will wait for information from the Palace, but continue to read the speculation.
I'll do the same and hope for more beautiful pics
  #354  
Old 07-22-2011, 04:49 AM
Heir Apparent
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Edinburgh, United Kingdom
Posts: 3,500
I understand what people have said about Nice-Matin, but that group of newspapers is just an offshoot of a larger group .... in this case - Groupe Hersant Media.

It's possible to email Nice-Matin, especially their Monaco bureau:
Grégory Leclerc, email monaco@nicematin.fr +37793104390
__________________
  #355  
Old 07-22-2011, 09:27 AM
fandesacs2003's Avatar
Heir Apparent
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Athens, Greece
Posts: 3,207
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sancia View Post
By the way, you all missed the point of the TV-program. It was not a program about: "Monaco: are the rumours true?" but "Monaco: how does it come that there are so many rumours about the principalty?" There were very good points about the way the princely palace works, the princely communication, etc... It is easy to criticize without having watched when you can.
It was a very interesting program in which every proof was given that people are interested in the Grimaldis because everything was made by the Grimaldis to have people interested in them. Monaco's economy is partly based on the interest for the princely family. One doesn't pay 20 millions euros for a wedding if he doesn't seek world-wide media attention.
In this forum, many posters are posting pics, are seeking pics of the princely family in every occasion, even private, and yet the journalists are blamed if they do the same. I really don't understand.
I saw only the second half, of the program, but I could not really understand all the points, but it was superintersting. Why in a TV analysis was the Prince's advocate present ?
__________________
  #356  
Old 07-22-2011, 01:37 PM
Heir Apparent
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Edinburgh, United Kingdom
Posts: 3,500
Thierry Lacoste is not only PA's lawyer. He and PA were in primary school together and have been close friends for decades. Thierry's mother Nadia has been the Palace Press Office boss for ages, but is retired now.

Regarding the case, TL says it's not about money, and that they will ask for a nominal amount (one euro) plus media articles.
http://www.remicastillo.com/article-...x-rumeurs.html
__________________
  #357  
Old 07-22-2011, 02:40 PM
Bones's Avatar
Nobility
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Laredo, United States
Posts: 459
I can certainly understand Prince Albert getting fed up with all of this -it has rather put a pale of water on what should have been the most happy days of his life. My problem with it is not just the unnamed sources, people can take anonymous sources for what they are worth, but rather the lack of specifics. In some recent remarks Michel Roger said that they have proof that the paternity claim is false and that Charlene was in or on her way to Greece when the 'runaway bride' story was supposed to have happened. But that's the biggest problem, at least for me, because no one has ever said specifically when this was supposed to have happened. If you don't give specifics you can never verify or disprove them. The only person that should be named is the alleged baby-momma because if that is true she could never remain anonymous anyway. However, the papers give no name and the Palace said that no ex-girlfriends have come forward with any claim. So, until someone does, how is that a story fit to print? Whatever the truth is, I would prefer for the media to 'put up or shut up'.

__________________
"Oh, God, I could be bounded in a nutshell, and count myself a king of infinite space, were it not that I have bad dreams".
  #358  
Old 07-22-2011, 02:56 PM
Heir Apparent
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Edinburgh, United Kingdom
Posts: 3,500
My hunch is that the "presse people" will realise that the game is up. They've had their fun, now it's time to go out there and try and find some real news !
__________________
  #359  
Old 07-22-2011, 07:43 PM
Serene Highness
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Midwest, United States
Posts: 1,325
It gets crazier. www.Monaco247.com says that PA is sueing L'Express, per Monaco's Secretary of State. The editor of L'Express is calling for France to annex Monaco. A French blogger to Nice Matin is calling for Monaco to annex France; so he won't have to pay income tax. L'Express is behaving like they are desparate for customers. It also said no mother has contacted the Palace about a paternity test and that Charlene was on her way to Greece when she was supposed to be fleeing the country.
__________________
  #360  
Old 07-22-2011, 08:37 PM
LadyMacAlpine's Avatar
Heir Presumptive
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: *****, United States
Posts: 2,285
Quote:
The head of government of Monaco, Michel Roger, railed against the "rumors" to Albert II of Monaco and Charlene.
He confirmed that the couple would continue LEXPRESS.fr - which keeps its information .

These rumors have been formally denied by the Palace and the royal couple's lawyer , Albert II and then by himself - while being accredited by sources close to the organization of marriage.

As for the persistent rumor of a supposed third illegitimate child that Prince Albert would have been when he was already engaged to Charlene, "there is evidence that this is wrong," said Michel Roger.
LExpress I think its funny that anyone would ask for France to Annex Monaco when it is an independent State. I can see the headlines Sarko declares war on Monaco because he was mad over having to wait at the Royal Wedding.
__________________

__________________
Closed Thread


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Princess Beatrice of York 14: July 2011- December 2013 wbenson Current Events Archive 798 01-01-2014 02:40 PM
Prince Friso in Critical Condition Following Skiing Accident; February 17, 2012 An Ard Ri Prince Friso and Princess Mabel and family 1489 07-24-2013 08:58 PM
Prince Albert and Princess Charlene Current Events - Part 2: March 2012 - March 2013 iceflower Current Events Archive 700 04-01-2013 05:31 AM
Princess Madeleine, Current Events Part 8: May 2010 - June 2012 Marengo Current Events Archive 843 06-13-2012 04:55 AM
Crown Princess Mary's Daytime Fashion Part 15: January 2012 - March 2012 dazzling Archives 389 03-24-2012 11:55 AM




Additional Links
Popular Tags
abdication birth charlene chris o'neill crown prince frederik crown prince haakon crown princess letizia crown princess mary crown princess mette-marit current events engagement fashion genealogy grand duchess maria teresa grand duke henri hohenzollern infanta leonor infanta sofia jewellery jordan king abdullah ii king carl xvi gustav king constantine ii king felipe king felipe vi king harald king juan carlos king philippe king willem-alexander luxembourg nobility olympics ottoman pom president hollande president komorowski prince albert prince albert ii prince carl philip prince constantijn prince felipe prince floris prince maurits prince pieter-christiaan princess aimee princess anita princess astrid princess beatrix princess charlene princess claire princess letizia princess marilene princess mary princess mary fashion princess of asturias queen anne-marie queen letizia queen mathilde queen maxima queen rania queen silvia queen sofia royal royal fashion russia sofia hellqvist spain state visit the hague wedding



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 02:33 PM.

Social Knowledge Networks

eXTReMe Tracker
Powered by vBulletin
Copyright ©2000 - 2014
Jelsoft Enterprises

Royal News Delivered to your Email!

You can get the latest Royal News right in your inbox.

unsusbcribe at anytime with one click

Close [X]