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Old 04-22-2011, 11:23 AM
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Oops, gotta correct you there, William and Kate have been living together in sin far longer than Albert and Charlene have. For the former at least 10 years (assuming they were bonking each other's brains out from the get go at university where they shared a flat), whereas Albert and Charlene at least since 2006, five years ago, when she became his girlfriend.

By the way, I don't agree with premarital sex, I'm a strict Catholic. Neither couple impresses me in that regard.
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Oops, gotta correct you there, William and Kate have been living together in sin far longer than Albert and Charlene have. .
WOW, didn't realize people still used that expression.
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Old 04-22-2011, 11:55 AM
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Lol, I decided not to be politically correct, oh my!
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WOW, didn't realize people still used that expression.
Yes, we still exist in legion.
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Old 04-22-2011, 01:08 PM
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Prince Albert will wear the uniform of carabinier which is white in summer, it is the us of the country, there is no other army, and Prince Albert is the colonel of this (army), for the carabiniers, it will be an offense if he would not wear their uniform. White uniform is beautiful,
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Thank you for the explanation, melina premiere, I had never heard it before. :)

By the way, I meant no offense, just thinking out loud again. Not only that, I had this pic in mind: http://www.highsocietybridal.co.uk/w...ce_wedding.jpg

To me it is unusual to see a man marry in white, in fact I think it will be my first time seeing so, therefore my curiousity. :)

ps: HAPPY EASTER SUNDAY EVERYONE, HOPE YOU ALL HAVE A GREAT ONE!!!!
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Old 04-23-2011, 11:29 AM
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Well, at least we will be spared the sight of Prince Rainier III with his dubious collection of medals !!

However, it's still unfortunate that PA cannot wear dark blue, as white is a no-no for him. Let's hope he has tried to slim down a bit....
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Old 04-23-2011, 11:35 AM
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You're right, Kitty, and society would be better off if a modicum of restraint was applied !!

But, sadly, there's no way we can halt this train.....
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Perhaps, but it frequently seems that those people who comment on others peoples supposed sins forget the Biblical admonition about` judge not, lest ye be judged``.

At any rate the Grimaldis have not exactly lived traditional, conservative, Catholic lives over the last 100 years so I doubt they would ever cast the first stone at anyone, and I am sure very little shocks their subjects. Monaco is a very sophisticated little place.
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Old 04-23-2011, 11:53 AM
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Now it is official that Albert and Charlene will attend to the British wedding. The link is here. Selected Guest List for the Wedding Service at Westminster Abbey
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Now it is official that Albert and Charlene will attend to the British wedding. The link is here. Selected Guest List for the Wedding Service at Westminster Abbey
Not unexpected but good to see. It will give them both a chance to review their own wedding plans and see if any little changes might be wanted. It will also give Charlene another chance to meet the royal mob again and get accustomed to such grand events.
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Old 04-23-2011, 12:04 PM
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Oops, gotta correct you there, William and Kate have been living together in sin far longer than Albert and Charlene have. For the former at least 10 years (assuming they were bonking each other's brains out from the get go at university where they shared a flat), whereas Albert and Charlene at least since 2006, five years ago, when she became his girlfriend.

By the way, I don't agree with premarital sex, I'm a strict Catholic. Neither couple impresses me in that regard.
No Roman Catholic priest will accept that a marrying couple will sleep and live together before their wedding ceremony. My opinion is that Albert and Charlene has lived and slept together during their journeys. How about the interview from Vancouver. It was made in a bungalow they was living together.
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No Roman Catholic priest will accept that a marrying couple will sleep and live together before their wedding ceremony. My opinion is that Albert and Charlene has lived and slept together during their journeys. How about the interview from Vancouver. It was made in a bungalow they was living together.
No sensible priest would ever ask the question. I would find it very odd in this day and age indeed that any couple would go to the altar without first having been between the sheets. Does anyone really expect 2 adults to go to their wedding bed as virgins? Really?
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By the way, I don't agree with premarital sex, I'm a strict Catholic. Neither couple impresses me in that regard.
I personally couldn't care whether or not they have or haven't slept together. It's none of my business. Mind you I'm sure they have, but they are two consenting adults and I have no right or reason to allow my prejudices, religious or otherwise, to condemn the actions of another just because I may not choose to undertake a certain act of intimacy.

Live and let live I think. It's not me they are answerable too

Problem with the world is everyone has too much to say about issues which don't concern us...lol.
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Very different...the whole look and vibe is very different...with W&K you are looking at 2 young people, similar in age and educational background starting their lives together. A&C are not similar in age or educational background and have been living together for years...
William and Kate have been living together for years as well,longer than A &C,and even though they have similar educational backgrounds and Kate comes from a wealthy family, she is NOT a product of the aristocracy and will need to learn the very real differences between being a Royal and simply being rich and privileged.

I don't think KM will necessarily have a big problem doing that, but she IS in for some big changes, IMO.

BTW...yes NGalitzine...I know quite a few of my friends who happily waited until marriage to sleep together....my own sister was twenty-nine and she waited!

It's a myth that you MUST have pre-marital sex or the marriage is doomed to failure, imo.

Some people feel it's more special and meaningful to wait...and I am one of them. It's rare but it does still happen.
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Quite true

I think it's a matter of whatever works for the couple. There's no right or wrong in my opinion.

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It's a myth that you MUST have pre-marital sex or the marriage is doomed to failure
Confess I've never even heard of that one...
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Madame Royale, the fact that it shocks some people that not everyone sleeps together before marriage confirms my point that conventional wisdom now says it is necessary to do so.

In previous generations where many people waited and it was almost unheard of to live together first, the divorce rate was MUCH lower.

Now, most people live together first to "test" the relationship...and yet 50% of all marriages today will end in divorce.

That right there tells me something important.
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I wish people would look more after there own faults and failures than looking into the bed's of others - I deeply feel, that's a personal matter, and concerns only the people involved.

I'm Roman catholic too - but I feel offended by all these old men meddling, where they have no business ...

in former times only well to do people married - because there was need for heirs; a lot of "common" people never did - but had sex left and right; when they hoped together over a broom - it counted as married - when one of them moved away and hoped again with another partner ... well, no one cared
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In previous generations where many people waited and it was almost unheard of to live together first, the divorce rate was MUCH lower.
Because the stigma of shame was so heavily associated and to be honest, I don't see it as having been a sex related issue, myself. Not at all.

It was about personal shame and shame in the broader sense that your actions would bring your family's name into disrepute. The number of marriages which remained legally intact but were void of love would be incalculable.

Remaining party to a marriage is no sure sign that the marriage itself was/is happy or worthwhile. My very own great grandmother noted on the death of her husband of 70 years that the best thing he ever did was, well, move on to "greener pastures".

She neither sought comfort from another man nor did she even contemplate divorce, yet the connection between the two was near non existant. A loveless marriage, but to divorce would have been social suicide. Even an aunt of mine didn't divorce her husband for fear of what shame it would have brought upon my grandparents and their good name.

Be it that the example of my great grandparents is not representative of most, but you get the meaning I'm sure.

The point is that people divorce now and more frequently because acknowledging when something isn't right no longer holds them hostage, socially. As people have evolved, so too has the contemplation of religion to an extent and social values. For better or worse, the fact is they have changed and to remain ignorant of change or even disregard it is, I think, rather unfortunate for that person.

If an emtoional detatchment is present in a marriage, then it's all over. Whether the marriage is ended or remains purely due to convenience, it is over. And in the event intimacy continues, it's little more than a natural inclination to do so. Our most primal instinct is to engage in sexual relations.

And quite honestly, no one deserves to be in a marriage which leaves them looking for validation.

I'm sure Albert and Charlene will have a great marriage, in every way. I'm sure hopefull that will be the case anyway.
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Excellent post Madame Royale, and I am certain what you say is true.

I also know that financially women were more dependent upon their husbands...they were more likely to have foregone education and work experience early in favor of marrying and starting families..so they had no choice but to stay in the marriages.

But perhaps it is also true is that people in the past were not quick to throw in the towel at the first sign of serious trouble or failure?

Marriage was seen as a lifeteme sacred commitment, and not a situation that one could bail on when it "no longer works for me".

Divorce seems to be the option now for example simply if one's "self-esteem", validation or PERSONAL fulfillment needs are not being met within the relationship.

The concept of what it means to be truly and completely married to another person no longer means the same thing that it meant fifty years ago.

And that makes me sad, it does not make me ignorant or resistant to change.
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