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Old 06-17-2011, 07:06 PM
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Nothing about any of these people we post about at TRF will affect our lives in any way NotHRH.

But this is a MESSAGE BOARD.

It's simply a place to exchange opinions. We often don't agree, and the exchange of opinions and ideas becomes heated.

I don't get why some people find it overwhelming....it really isn't.
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Old 06-17-2011, 07:54 PM
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Nothing about any of these people we post about at TRF will affect our lives in any way NotHRH.

But this is a MESSAGE BOARD.

It's simply a place to exchange opinions. We often don't agree, and the exchange of opinions and ideas becomes heated.

I don't get why some people find it overwhelming....it really isn't.
I have read your post and do agree that this is a discussion board and everyone will voice their opinions about CW/PA. I was only voicing my own opinions on the subject. :-)
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Old 06-17-2011, 08:19 PM
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Nothing we discuss here, will amount to a hill of bean in our lives. To the Europeans, there is their heritage and how they feel about royals, today. To, Americans, we are just sightseeing a concept that is pretty, but meaningless.
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Old 06-17-2011, 09:08 PM
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A close up on a picture shown by Sandra Jakobi, former swimming teacher of Charlene Wittstock, and taken from school pictures of Charlene (top R) on June 15, 2011 at Farrarmere Primary school in Benoni, South Africa. Prince Albert II of Monaco and his South African swimming champion fiancee Charlene Wittstock will celebrate their wedding over two days on July 2 and 3.
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Omgosh, thanks so much, Florencia, for providing this picture in particular!

I've never before seen pics of Charlene as a pre-teen, by my calculations she must have been 12 yrs. old in that picture, and already a champion!

How fascinating to look back and see what a future princess-to-be looked like before all the fame & glamour, et al. By the way, the first thing I thought when I saw that picture was this one:
http://iml.jou.ufl.edu/projects/Fall...ene/Diana3.gif

and then these ones:

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http://cdn.theroyalforums.com/forums...2&d=1114552364



So poignant and touching...
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Old 06-17-2011, 09:29 PM
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Nothing we discuss here, will amount to a hill of bean in our lives. To the Europeans, there is their heritage and how they feel about royals, today. To, Americans, we are just sightseeing a concept that is pretty, but meaningless.



Yes, Countess, unless you are Monegasque royalty(?), I fail to see how this situation will affect your life in any way. Miss Wittstock's (lack of) French-speaking ability should only be HSH's worry.
Where does your heritage come into this situation? Why the worry about Miss CW at all? Why, in this post, have some expressed anger toward Miss CW? Why do some take it so personally? Envy, or the impression of envy, is given in many anti-CW rants in this thread ? Am I wrong to come to that conclusion?
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Old 06-17-2011, 09:52 PM
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I think CW is beautiful, stylish and kind. But because I am confused that she cannot speak French after five years I am an envious, angry CW hater?

As for our opinions not amounting to a "hill of beans".. that pretty much goes without saying.

Using that line of logic, why post how excited we are about the wedding? It will happen whether we are happy about it or not.

Why go to the British Forum and debate whether the Queen should abdicate in a few years??

After all, it's none of our business and our opinion doesn't count...and so on and so on.

There are no doubt some rather vicious anti-CW posters here. Their bitterness and resentment of her seems extreme and even irrational. But those are a handful of posters on the fringe with an axe to grind...and are probably best ignored.

Posters who simply feel very disappointed that CW has not made different use of her 5+ years in Monaco are not necessarily anti-Charlene...and we realize that it has no direct bearing on our lives.

Nothing at TRF does.
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Old 06-17-2011, 10:10 PM
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Yes, Countess, unless you are Monegasque royalty(?), I fail to see how this situation will affect your life in any way. Miss Wittstock's (lack of) French-speaking ability should only be HSH's worry.
Where does your heritage come into this situation? Why the worry about Miss CW at all? Why, in this post, have some expressed anger toward Miss CW? Why do some take it so personally? Envy, or the impression of envy, is given in many anti-CW rants in this thread ? Am I wrong to come to that conclusion?

Yes you are wrong, and your previous post was deleted for calling us "envious". But as this is a forum I don´t see why I should not express how lazy and inconsiderate she has been not to take trouble to learn French. We haven´t even seen she´s made an effort. How? By finishing school for instance, by taking courses. Instead, she gives the impression of being extremely superficial and shallow and only care about her psysical appearance. It is not worry at all. I could not care less about Miss Witstock. I would have liked someone really prepared for the role, not just to have a heir and smile, as someone said.
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Old 06-17-2011, 10:55 PM
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I think CW is beautiful, stylish and kind. But because I am confused that she cannot speak French after five years I am an envious, angry CW hater?

As for our opinions not amounting to a "hill of beans".. that pretty much goes without saying.

Using that line of logic, why post how excited we are about the wedding? It will happen whether we are happy about it or not.

Why go to the British Forum and debate whether the Queen should abdicate in a few years??

After all, it's none of our business and our opinion doesn't count...and so on and so on.

There are no doubt some rather vicious anti-CW posters here. Their bitterness and resentment of her seems extreme and even irrational. But those are a handful of posters on the fringe with an axe to grind...and are probably best ignored.

Posters who simply feel very disappointed that CW has not made different use of her 5+ years in Monaco are not necessarily anti-Charlene...and we realize that it has no direct bearing on our lives.

Nothing at TRF does.

No Moonmaiden,
My statement was referring to those who expressed an almost 'irrational,' to use your adjective, anger toward Miss CW.
I do read and try to understand other points of view; discussion is the basis of this forum. An almost 'hatred' of Miss CW, or any one else, a poster or any (future) royal, should not be allowed in these forums under any thread - ever. Disagreement, yes. Hatred, no.
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Old 06-17-2011, 11:27 PM
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I'm beginning to wonder why some people here are so convinced that Charlene Wittstock does NOT speak French. Perhaps, before this thread continues, we should establish with certainty that she is unable to speak any French and that she has, as yet, made no effort to learn it.

Of course she must learn the native language of her new country, but so far, I'm not seeing any clear evidence on this site that she knows no French.

One of her problems may have been, for some years, a lack of confidence that Albert would ever marry her. Some might claim that learning French would have helped, but I doubt it. Given the Monegasque royals' history, I don't think Albert's decision to marry her had anything to do with what languages she spoke, nor should it have.

And let's remember that for many centuries, princesses married into countries in which they did not know the native tongue. It's actually rather a standard trope of royal history.

By the way: how good is Crown Princess Mary's Danish, and how good is Princess Maxima's Dutch? From what I understand, from Danish and Dutch colleagues, neither lady is really fluent and comfortable in the language of the country into which she has married.
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Old 06-18-2011, 12:03 AM
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Charlene is already fluent in two languages (English and Afrikaans). Her ability to speak Afrikaans, interestingly, means she could comfortably also communicate with Dutch- and Flemish-speaking people in their native tongues. I think it's safe to assume that she does speak a little French (she has said so herself), and understands perhaps more. I do realize how important it is for her to be fluent in French, and I hope that she's going to make an effort. I suspect she will. But I doubt that she will speak French in public until such time that she feels completely confident. It's so easy to be misunderstood/misquoted in your own language –– let alone a foreign one!
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Old 06-18-2011, 12:22 AM
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I'm beginning to wonder why some people here are so convinced that Charlene Wittstock does NOT speak French. Perhaps, before this thread continues, we should establish with certainty that she is unable to speak any French and that she has, as yet, made no effort to learn it.

Of course she must learn the native language of her new country, but so far, I'm not seeing any clear evidence on this site that she knows no French.

One of her problems may have been, for some years, a lack of confidence that Albert would ever marry her. Some might claim that learning French would have helped, but I doubt it. Given the Monegasque royals' history, I don't think Albert's decision to marry her had anything to do with what languages she spoke, nor should it have.

And let's remember that for many centuries, princesses married into countries in which they did not know the native tongue. It's actually rather a standard trope of royal history.

By the way: how good is Crown Princess Mary's Danish, and how good is Princess Maxima's Dutch? From what I understand, from Danish and Dutch colleagues, neither lady is really fluent and comfortable in the language of the country into which she has married.

You will never feel completely at ease in a language that is not your native tongue. I am speaking of "make an effort", which is very much appreciated, especially by French people. Maxima is fluent in Dutch, I have seen interviews, but she´s lived in the Netherlands for a decade. When she knew she was going to marry the prince, she went to live in Brussels to make a course and within a year she could communicate, make complete sentences.
CW has made dozens of interviews this year, many good opportunities to show at least an improvement or an "intention". When she was asked last year Est-ce que vous êtes protestante?, she could only bubble: Je suis Cristian. So, am I losing something? Or she´s a little slow? come on, she´s been living in France for several years. Why is it so "disrespectful" and why I´m a hater if I say she could have employed her time much better?
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Anyone who voluntarily puts himself/herself into the public realm, has to be prepared to come under scrutiny from the public.

It is a voluntary loss of privacy.

Any teacher or clergyperson or doctor in one's locality will, to some extent, feel this loss of desirable anonymity.

CW decided of her own free will to lose anonymity, and she has to live with it, probably for the rest of her life.
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PA speaks German and Italian but I don't think he has ever done an interview in either one. PC spoke English when testifying for Ernst. Interviewers try to trip you up even in your own language. Even moreso in a foreign language.
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PA was in Italy not so very long ago, and he had to give a speech in Italian, and it was good.
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He had total control over giving a speech. Not so during an interview.
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No, it was off the cuff, actually.
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Anyone who voluntarily puts himself/herself into the public realm, has to be prepared to come under scrutiny from the public.

It is a voluntary loss of privacy.

Any teacher or clergyperson or doctor in one's locality will, to some extent, feel this loss of desirable anonymity.

CW decided of her own free will to lose anonymity, and she has to live with it, probably for the rest of her life.
Exactly...BINGO!! I feel the same way about Hollywood and reality TV folk who do everything they can to become famous and then whinge and scream about paparrazzi taking their pictures when they don't want to be bothered....hey...you chose to be famous. SUCK IT UP.

It's a little different with Royals...they didn't choose their station in life. But I look at it this way...they have to deal with a lack of privacy as opposed to the problems of the hoi-polloi...which is how to pay one's phone bills and one's children's tuition.

It's just a trade off of one type of incovenience for another.
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PA speaks German and Italian but I don't think he has ever done an interview in either one. PC spoke English when testifying for Ernst. Interviewers try to trip you up even in your own language. Even moreso in a foreign language.
I have seen PC conduct several interviews in English beginning when she was in her late teens...she speaks a flawless, elegant English with a hint of upper class British accent.

PA and his sister Stephanie speak English with a strong American accent.

Whether CW was certain that she was going to marry PA or not is beside the point.

I have a friend who went to Mexico for six months as an exchange student and is now fluent in Spanish...which she speaks with an American accent but who cares?

Another friend lives in San Diego and makes frequent shopping trips to Tijuana with her eight year old..who is now fluent in Spanish after listening to her mom negotiate deals with the locals.

After a continuous five years of living in Monaco, Charlene should have attained some fluency. Period.

Unless she was closeted in her apartment or one of the Prince's homes not bothering to make it a priority by speaking mostly English, which is what I suspect happened.

And part of the blame for this belongs to Albert himself.
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Yes, it's PA's responsibility, but I think he's not very focussed where his fiancée is concerned.

I, for my part, can forgive him for that...
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They had a job, or a University degree. CW has done nothing at all. She hasnt finished school, she didn´t even bother to learn a language. And she´s already 32. If that is not laziness...

And these pictures in a swimming suit are just ridiculous.
CW competed in the Olympics! How can you possibly say she has done nothing at all?
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