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Old 07-17-2007, 08:15 AM
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excellent points, myadia. moreover what public figure like albert who pretends to protect his private life, organizes for his girlfriend this kind of photoshoot? What man in his position and not only would accept to see his future wife pose like this?? The pics are absolutely pathetic.
The way he handles this relationship speaks volumes about his judgement.
From her i don't expect much because she proved way too many times that she isn't smart at all. Cousin hubertus is the only one who may have a gain from all this, the fact that people remeber he exists, and that he's also part of the family.
I applaud caro for staying away from the picture.
Hubertus is not a cousin, unless you go way way back in their ancestry and then aain there weren't any DNA tests when Charlotte was recognized so who knows wether there is any realtion at all . BUt yes he will certainly gain. I'm not so sure if Albert organized this. This is too much trying to corner him. She did the same last year and it didn't work. It resulted in his announcing that he wasn't getting married. I suppose that Hubertus proposed and Albert answered you have to discuss it with her, she thought it was his way of saying he is ok with it as long as she doesn't blab about him. We know from Hubertus that she does not receive help. We have not seen Mme Gallico with her since last year. I think Albert just lets her do things her way and watches to see how far she will go. If he was to marry her, he would have to rely on her judgement. He can't be the babysitter of his wife all the time. Maybe this is his way of trying to find out. On the other hand, he takes her along to all sorts of engagements and the only thing he does is intervene to hold back the worst pics from local publishing (as in the St Jean pics with her bare shoulders). I admit it is difficult to understand what sort of reasoning is going on in this man. Her's is obvious, but he is puzzling. But then again I think he doesn't know himself really.
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Here’s another article where Hubertus is promoting himself while promoting Charlene. Talk about birds of a feather flock together. Remember, his mom seems to be in on it also. Over a month ago in an article I posted, She was the one who mentioned an upcoming fashion shoot that her son did of Charlene. Notice how Hubertus is standing near a picture of his dear mother. Jeez, can this one fashion shoot get any cheesier. The Worldlingo translator I used below translated Wittstock to "joke stick" (no lie). Here’s an online translation.

Inquiring minds wants to know what the Prince call to say to his Princess-to-Be. Alas, that's none of our business...

Here’s another promotion article about the articles in the July 2007 edition of Park Avenue. It seems that the theme is fighting spirits. Here’s an excerpt about Charlene’s interview. I guess we have to buy the magazine to find out the wonderful things that she has to say.


Ok, people. Charlene NEVER gives up. Other women - Charlene never gives up. So, it looks like she is in Monaco to stay.

An added note: Check out the bios on other "fighting spirits" that are featured in the July edition. Does Charlene really believe that she was selected on her own merits and not because of her association with Prince Albert? Is she really that dense or just cocky? Unbelievable.
That first article is really hilarious. Amazing. Priceless. I could comment on each single sentence, arguing what rubbish it is and how Charlene does exactly the opposite of what is stated. But I'll save myself the trouble.

Has anyone else noticed Charlene always gets phonecalls during interviews? This is at least the second time that her boyfriend calls her during an interview. I'm almost suspecting it's on purpose, to be able to say that it's her boyfriend calling. Quite apart from the fact that I find it rude to have the mobile on in the first place. I mean, what urgent calls can she expect?

This is the second article that I read that claims that Charlene is living and sleeping in the palace? Can anyone confirm if it's true? I mean, if it is, surely the whole of Monaco would know?
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The other article seems to state that David Baum took the interview. Also it seems that the mag has been out for sometime, but I suppose they expected more people buying it with Charlene on the cover Apparently not otherwise why this sudden promotion everywhere?
Just put yourself in their shoes: Charlene Wittstock in all glossiness on the cover and not one single word about it on the boards! This great promotional ploy (for the person/magazine of your choice) and then no fuss! Surely that must be annoying? All that effort put into it and nobody notices? Somebody had to do something. I'm surprised that they didn't register for a forum and posted the "news" themselves.
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I can't say the word I wanted to say. Someone mentioned that they thought Charlene looked good in the pictures and actually I think in the face she does (although I think that the choice of clothing, poses, and background are another matter). In my opinion, the entire scenario of this shoot and inteview is cheesy. As someone mentioned above, why does one agree to an interview if they want their privacy while they are dating Prince Albert. Oh I know, she's not going to talk about him in the interview - her cherished memories are in that shoe box. Can someone please tell this woman that the European media ONLY cares a hoot about a woman who placed 5th, 19th, and 26th in her Olympic events 7 years ago because she is dating the Prince.
You've put your finger on (one of the many) sore points that pop up in relation to Charlene: she says she can't say anything because of protocol, but then agrees to interviews nevertheless. And manages to slip in some references to her boyfriend. You can't make it any more contradictory than that.
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Old 07-17-2007, 09:59 AM
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I can't say the word I wanted to say. Someone mentioned that they thought Charlene looked good in the pictures and actually I think in the face she does (although I think that the choice of clothing, poses, and background are another matter). In my opinion, the entire scenario of this shoot and inteview is cheesy. As someone mentioned above, why does one agree to an interview if they want their privacy while they are dating Prince Albert. Oh I know, she's not going to talk about him in the interview - her cherished memories are in that shoe box. Can someone please tell this woman that the European media ONLY cares a hoot about a South African woman who placed 5th, 19th, and 26th in her Olympic events 7 years ago because she is dating the Prince of Monaco.

Again, please, can anyone point me to a similar photo shoot done by Mary, Letizia, Camilla, MetteMarit, Mathilde, or Maxima WHILE they were dating their future husband? Anyone?
yeah, sure -- and will Albert now sue the magazine for invading his so-called privacy (like he claimed in the 2 most recent well publicised incidents)? i agree it sounds like to me veiled complaint from her that he is not budging on the marriage issue not one bit, not even for her (but who knows what will happen, maybe she thinks she can wear him down or is it just word play for the article?)

and I do believe she needs help - help from being regular and unknown and have no money. So Albert is helping her, great for her, she got what she wanted. she has done well. What kind of help is Humbertus talking about she needs to have now? give some people an inch and they want a mile.

How could she not know if she is becoming princess or not by now??? did she really voice such a thing in that interview??

I like Charlene's ability to focus and to see things through except things that she thinks are not important - like school where she could not have cared less. Her olympics achievements are big events for anyone and take a lot of inner strength and determination clearly and CW is made to look like one to run away from a challenge but that thing is amazing, if it is to be believed.

but i question like the others - if she was so private why would she answer questions even to this fellow about wanting to get married and have children? Why do they say the press only finds so many unflattering pictures of her? Maybe because she allows herself to be in unflattering situations? Can she not control herself and the things she does in the least?

Albert announced to the whole planet more than once, more than twice and again to whoever would be listening whenever he has been plainly asked that he has no intention of marrying anyone either now or in the future. no marriage plans. If he marries her, i will be shocked. i wonder does CW think that he is saying that all just for the articles? maybe he is, but many women have tried it - CW is not the first to apply that 'never give up' attitude about him (i know, i know she was actually referring to her goals and not to Albert - i will try to keep it in context). Look at the extremes CW has gone (however she came about it does not matter) - moving all the way to MC to "train" and she is working hard for sth too (just like Alex's mother worked so hard trying to capture Albert, and she claimed that she just knew she was the one).

interesting how the article seems to paint her as waiting (and almost suffering) ever so patiently for him to make up his mind. SPIN.

not like he does not like her, but if he really loved CW i think he would marry her and have children with her and not leave her to wonder or worry about it. plain and simple (not like PA is so noble, but i think he knows what he does not want to do). maybe she should leave and see if her absence would convince him rather than the present tactic of being on call all the time while at the same time sad and enduring to the end (i'm sure a few women have tried that strategy too). i will be shocked if he marries her, no one knows Albert's intention apart from what he has already said except him (not even CW, his self proclaimed soul-mate CW apparently).

I really hope she is not so naive and juvenile as she has come across. imo, if she was so care free and living in the moment as she said, she would not have spoken to any concern at all about any long term commitment from PA (especially since he seems to be a confirmed bachelor), she would be about the 'now' only and just keep partying.

She's having fun and making work for herself and lives a nice life in south of France - how could she be melancholy about anything when living in the south of france for goodness sake! I would also agree, Albert is probably really lovable (I would not know really), and for a woman who is desperately looking for love, and it would probably be easy to fall for his charm and sophistication and most everything else about him. Albert is a woman magnet like all the other princes, no exception. and CW is too easily impressed, i think.


i hope PA has learned not to underestimate women who would try to manipulate him out of their own desperation. It is not so long since his last big very, very embarrasing very public blow-up and CW should think not look a gift horse in the mouth.


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Old 07-17-2007, 10:48 AM
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Hubertus is not a cousin, unless you go way way back in their ancestry and then aain there weren't any DNA tests when Charlotte was recognized so who knows wether there is any realtion at all .
ira is a great-grandchild of Lady Mary Victoria Hamilton who was married to Prince Albert 1. so she is distantly related to the family. She had big financial issues during the past years, has been sued for some of the debt, same with hubertus and his late brother so i wouldn't be surprised if albert doesn't get ira &son out of trouble in exchange of some little favors here and there. let's remember last year's party where he showed up with charlene.

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You've put your finger on (one of the many) sore points that pop up in relation to Charlene: she says she can't say anything because of protocol, but then agrees to interviews nevertheless. And manages to slip in some references to her boyfriend. You can't make it any more contradictory than that.
this photoshoot and interview happened in rome , in may, almost a week after the bunte interview. It's taken during that trip when she was seen dining out with massimiliano. so in the morning she was posing as albert's inocent and melancholic girlfriend and at night she was dining out with her old flame. It makes sense why this photoshoot hasn't been published at that time, and it appeared now. too bad for them that we haven't forgot about her indiscretion or lack of common sense.
Someone is arranging this photoshoots/interviews for her, but obviously sometimes things work as planned, sometimes they don't thanks to her wrong moves.
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Old 07-17-2007, 11:16 AM
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ira is a great-grandchild of Lady Mary Victoria Hamilton who was married to Prince Albert 1. so she is distantly related to the family. She had big financial issues during the past years, has been sued for some of the debt, same with hubertus and his late brother so i wouldn't be surprised if albert doesn't get ira &son out of trouble in exchange of some little favors here and there. let's remember last year's party where he showed up with charlene.
Ira has done these parties I think since she started her kitsch production everytime before red cross. And Albert has attended everytime. Yes they all had financial problems. But please, don't forget how glued Albert is to his money. That's the one thing he seems to have listened to his father. He would not assist them financially. He might acquaint them with people who could help, but he would not part with his OWN money. He did not even help Hubertus to compete in Turin. It wouldn't have cost him anything. He DID not want to get involved. Hubertus said so himself. Hubertus loves to hang around him, they know each other, but they are not close friends. They are party buddies. Hubertus blabs. All the time. He is vain, like his mother and not very intelligent. He is of German descent but speaks a very uneducated German. I don't know how he speaks other languages as spanish or Italian, but considering how he grew up, I would have expected his English to be flawless. In fact I think that he has in NO language the equivalent of a native speaker. He mixes a little bit of everything to give himself the polyglott image and make people believe that he is intelligent and well educated, when indeed he is anything but. Did you take a look at the pic of himself with his mother? Take a look at the camera he is using to make the pic. And he claims to be a photographer? the pic of Charlene in the black dress is photographed against the sun which is why part of the picture is over exposed. I am not a photographer but that is one of the basics that even I have learned. Hubertus von Hohenlohe is a selfimportant selfproclaimed artist? photographer? skiier? popsinger?

The relation with the grimaldis is as I said slim and since Albert's descendance is only been legitimized after the fact and at the time no DNA testing so there might not be any relation between them at all On the other hand seeing the way Hubertus leads his life and then comparing it with Albert...twins seperated at birth?
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Old 07-17-2007, 11:27 AM
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this photoshoot and interview happened in rome , in may, almost a week after the bunte interview. It's taken during that trip when she was seen dining out with massimiliano. so in the morning she was posing as albert's inocent and melancholic girlfriend and at night she was dining out with her old flame. It makes sense why this photoshoot hasn't been published at that time, and it appeared now. too bad for them that we haven't forgot about her indiscretion or lack of common sense.
Someone is arranging this photoshoots/interviews for her, but obviously sometimes things work as planned, sometimes they don't thanks to her wrong moves.
As I believe creative has pointed out a long time ago, magazines unlike tabloids do need some time to be planned etc. I am sure that they knew exactly when it would be published. The Mag appeared end of June as July issue (which is customary in Germany)which means that most of it was there/had to be ready by mid june roughly. That makes it perfect timing for the pics to be taken in may. They appeared as scheduled. That she met her friend at the same time in Rome has been mentioned before. The author alludes to a meating preceeding the shooting, so it is highly possible that they were all present that evening. For some reason no one bothered though to come to her rescue and say she was with us for a photoshoot. Her friend Hubertus didn't say anything. Instead Albert had to go to a kinesiotherapist with her to show that he wasn't bothered by the pics and that they didn't mean anything. Now that is fine friends don't you think? Who tipped off the razzis? Blabbermouth who runs to Bild to promote his "artistic work" ? Wouldn't surprise me AT ALL.

As to someone arranging the photoshoots? does she need to have someone? Nicole managed that all by herself too didn't she? Charlene walked into a trap and Hubertus made money on her twice and generates publicity for himself. Now do you really think that Albert is not aware of who Hubertus is? I am sure he remembers when Ira tried to pass herself off as next Grace. A lot of hurt vanity in that family. Rainier surely knew everything about Ira and her family. Including every tiny rumour. I am sure Albert still owns that dossier.
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Old 07-17-2007, 01:21 PM
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Hibou, she is also being described as melancholic. Like I'd buy that. Trying to sell her off as a deep thinker soon are we?
Touche paca, I agree with you here but I think the melancholy part is a type of emotional blackmail do you not?Anything that has not as yet transpired to fulfill CW's wishes is no other person's fault but her own if in fact she is sad about her imagined plight.With my eighty ex-husbands I know what it takes to get any man [let alone Pa who seems to have a mind and heart of his own that no one can read] to the altar and how difficult it is.Some easier than others. And some easy come easy go.All thatCW bravura of smiling into the cameras and now a description of "sad" CW.I think CW maybe more confused than anything else. But clarity cometh.
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Old 07-17-2007, 01:21 PM
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ALBERT IS NEVER GETTING MARRIED!!! She needs to give it up! Who knows what his malfunction is, but he has committment issues - forget wanting to be seen as a "player," he has serious issues....plus, the baggage of illegitimate children!? I am not sure what he's trying to prove, but any woman who stands by while he dangles empty promises needs to have her head examined.
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Old 07-17-2007, 02:08 PM
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...That she met her friend at the same time in Rome has been mentioned before. The author alludes to a meating preceeding the shooting, so it is highly possible that they were all present that evening. For some reason no one bothered though to come to her rescue and say she was with us for a photoshoot. Her friend Hubertus didn't say anything. Instead Albert had to go to a kinesiotherapist with her to show that he wasn't bothered by the pics and that they didn't mean anything. Now that is fine friends don't you think? Who tipped off the razzis? Blabbermouth who runs to Bild to promote his "artistic work" ? Wouldn't surprise me AT ALL...
Maybe I'm missing some other pictures, but I don't see anything so improper between Charlene and Massimiliano. These are the pictures, right? They are having dinner (well at least lots of drinks - so much for her no drinking speech to the kids) and just talking (with at least one other woman) and she hugs him good bye. He could have hugged the other woman the same way, but I'm sure the magazine wouldn't have published it. Now, if his hands were down Charlene's butt, then that's another story. Why would Albert be bothered by the pictures? In the article, did the author imply that the interaction between Charlene and Max was a romantic one? So, what am I missing?

Does anyone know why they would blurred out the other lady's face?
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Old 07-17-2007, 02:22 PM
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Maybe I'm missing some other pictures, but I don't see anything so improper between Charlene and Massimiliano. These are the pictures, right? They are having dinner (well at least lots of drinks - so much for her no drinking speech to the kids) and just talking (with at least one other woman) and she hugs him good bye. He could have hugged the other woman the same way, but I'm sure the magazine wouldn't have published it. Now, if his hands were down Charlene's butt, then that's another story. Why would Albert be bothered by the pictures? In the article, did the author imply that the interaction between Charlene and Max was a romantic one? So, what am I missing?

Does anyone know why they would blurred out the other lady's face?
I think there were a couple others shots besides these. The question that needs to be asked is if there wasn't a problem with these photos, why did Albert take time out of his day to walk Charlene to the Dr. office right after these were published? And as paca pointed out the razzi who took the shots of Albert and Charlene had to know they were going to be there- this is old news and not worth a rehash but that's JMO
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Maybe I'm missing some other pictures, but I don't see anything so improper between Charlene and Massimiliano. These are the pictures, right? They are having dinner (well at least lots of drinks - so much for her no drinking speech to the kids) and just talking (with at least one other woman) and she hugs him good bye. He could have hugged the other woman the same way, but I'm sure the magazine wouldn't have published it. Now, if his hands were down Charlene's butt, then that's another story. Why would Albert be bothered by the pictures? In the article, did the author imply that the interaction between Charlene and Max was a romantic one? So, what am I missing?

Does anyone know why they would blurred out the other lady's face?
is this an idea that I am made where massimiliano looks right in direction of the photographer???? who says to us that it is not voluntarily only these photos are taken ? a way of drawing the cover towards oneself, you know charlene is useful yourselves of Albert like springboard or of Massimiliano which wants to be made a blow of pub, or Albert which wants to show that in the final analysis Charlene can be made friends, that it is free to leave (in any good any honor) ???
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Old 07-18-2007, 10:09 AM
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bunte is now picking up on its web page on the Bild article. They are basically paraphrasing it. so nothing new. Though in both articles I wonder since when in the casinos they are taking bets on Alberts wedding date. I know that the British do that, but that is a new side of the SBM that bild and Bunte are revealing to me. And silly me, I thought they were into roulette and slotmachines
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bunte is now picking up on its web page on the Bild article. They are basically paraphrasing it. so nothing new. Though in both articles I wonder since when in the casinos they are taking bets on Alberts wedding date. I know that the British do that, but that is a new side of the SBM that bild and Bunte are revealing to me. And silly me, I thought they were into roulette and slotmachines
How did they get to the point of placing bets on a date when the articles implied she was melancholy over the state of the relationship? Or are they betting whether or not there will be one?
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Old 07-18-2007, 10:42 AM
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How did they get to the point of placing bets on a date when the articles implied she was melancholy over the state of the relationship? Or are they betting whether or not there will be one?
Same in both articles: it is implied that it is not a question of if, but a question of when. Bunte does not give references to the Park avenue article. But they do quote Hubertus. The info in Bunte is not their news. They simply paid someone to rewrite the bild comment and shorten it for their online news flash. I assume that they will have sth in their next issue to that respect. They certainly have to have the exhibit openening, what they will make of Caros absence is another thing. Tomorrow we might know more of which way they are going with the story but I think they are going to stick with the heading for the altar. There are a few others that might go the other way because they have already started on Steph not being happy about Charlene (though she was actually there), but I think we will soon see and after the red cross we will certainly have some more pics and news. I am almost certain that we will see Charlene. Let's see who besides them, Antoinette, Melanie and Elizabeth-Ann will make a show this year. And in what mood
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Old 07-18-2007, 11:25 AM
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i second you paca about Charlene and red cross ball, in my mind we have to wait, see and read comments about wha was here or not, in which mood...
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Same in both articles: it is implied that it is not a question of if, but a question of when. Bunte does not give references to the Park avenue article. But they do quote Hubertus. The info in Bunte is not their news. They simply paid someone to rewrite the bild comment and shorten it for their online news flash. I assume that they will have sth in their next issue to that respect. They certainly have to have the exhibit openening, what they will make of Caros absence is another thing. Tomorrow we might know more of which way they are going with the story but I think they are going to stick with the heading for the altar. There are a few others that might go the other way because they have already started on Steph not being happy about Charlene (though she was actually there), but I think we will soon see and after the red cross we will certainly have some more pics and news. I am almost certain that we will see Charlene. Let's see who besides them, Antoinette, Melanie and Elizabeth-Ann will make a show this year. And in what mood
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Thanks paca! It looks like the German magazines are going with the wedding and the French magazines are going with the family feud. Basically nobody knows what's going on. But since the casinos are placing bets - here's mine: Albert walks in with Antoinette and Melanie, Charlene will be right behind wearing something "regal". Stephanie and Caroline will be missing in action. Or second bet: Albert walks in with Stephanie and Antoinette and Melanie and Charlene will already be there. It should be interesting! The ball in in about a week I think? Apparently the Paris Match article if someone can get there hands on it says he's has no plans for marriage but then that's his standard line.
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Old 07-18-2007, 11:36 AM
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Paca, and other close royal watchers, can I ask your honest opinion about Albert's intentions? Do you think he wants to marry Charlene? My impression is that her basically living in Monaco and showing up with him at so many official functions can only lead to that, but my shed of hope is that with Albert you never know what he is actually planning. And I'm not sure his sisters' approval will factor in his decisions at all...
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It's a matter of privacy policy: the other lady had her face blurred out, because she isn't a public figure; she might have been a friend of Massimilano's.
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Other than his sisters with whom he obviously disagrees --- are there no other family members (Grimaldi or Kelly), family friends, other royal families, or senior statemen who could talk some sense into Albert?
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Not sure where to post this link but it has sth about Albert when he was in his early thirties (also about the other family members). It seems that Rainier urged Albert to be selective in chosing the events he attended, because otherwise it wouldn't mean anything ( I think I made a similar remark recently - and I'm sounding everyday more like my parents too...I'm getting sooo old ). Interesting labeling of the girlfriends and it might give some insights about why Charlene feels so comfortable in his surroundings and why she is not clear in where she is heading with him. It is very old article and might have been linked before, but some things don't seem to change... IN THE HOUSE OF GRIMALDI
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