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Old 02-16-2006, 07:56 AM
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It's this "recycling" thing that gets me...someone should send him a copy of the book, It's Called a Break-up Because It's Broken.
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!! How funny, Pinklady!
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Sorry about the French thing. I forget that not everyone speaks it. My bad. :o

I remember something vaguely -- but I can't remember what post -- that this lady will come out of the blue. Do her parents or Charlene have that kind of money? His mother's dowry came 1/2 from her father (which actually paid for the wedding since MC was pretty broke at the time) and 1/2 from her -- it was $2mm in '56 so I'm thinking now it's something like $10mm. OK, now I'm really sick to my stomach thinking about all of this.
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I have the inside article and photo to that one. Here are a few more seems you and I are the only one's interested. Just wait until he hits the covers with his wife later this year they will be bouncing off the board. Now lets see how long it takes for anyone to notice that prediction.
Apparently it really wasn't noticed. I have work to be done before the Olympics are over so I will pop in from time to time.
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....Another BTW due to protocol Albert has to know the woman would say yes to his proposal unless he decides to break it, a dowry is generally required as well.
Why would a dowry be required, since Albert certainly doesn't need the money?
And how can he know if the woman would say yes until he asks her?
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Why would a dowry be required, since Albert certainly doesn't need the money?
And how can he know if the woman would say yes until he asks her?
The dowry is considered part "keeping" a wife: clothing, personal expenses, etc., e.g, tradition. That's how princes in the past knew the prospective bride (or rather her parents) would say yes: parents/councilors would have set the terms for the dowry. I'm thinking something about the government not supporting the lifestyle of the couple.

I don't know why Albert would require a certain amount now, although as part of the negotiations between Rainier and Grace & her father, MC required $2mm and in the case of a divorce, the funds were not returnable. At that time Monaco had a bit of a cash flow problem. Jack Kelly went ballistic but finally agreed to $1m (primarily the cost of the wedding) and Grace paid $1m from her own funds. Mr. Kelly also kept a stock portfolio for Grace and all of her siblings with Kelly for Brickwork holdings. At the time of his death in the early 60's, Jack Kelly's personal holdings were estimated at $5m.

In any relationship, you'd hope the subject of marriage (to each other) would come up before the guy buys the ring.
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Why would a dowry be required, since Albert certainly doesn't need the money?
And how can he know if the woman would say yes until he asks her?
If Albert stays with protocol someone will have to approach the woman he wants to ask to learn the answer. If she said no to whoever spoke to her than he wouldn't ask. Grace was asked before Rainier asked her. Pinklady is correct on the dowry Albert isn't staying with tradition really and might not require one.
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Since she said there was no plans to marry I posted this here they are friends until an engagement is announced. http://translate.google.com/translat...hl=en&ie=ASCII

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Albert and Stevie Parker their relationship began during the Barcelonia Olympics. Only close friends knew of it and lasted a few years. Source Stephanie Parker.
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A Wife for Albert part III

Welcome to part III of the thread "A Wife for Albert."

Part II (which also includes the posts originally in the thread "Albert's taste in Women") is here:

http://www.theroyalforums.com/forums...t-ii-2503.html
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MyAdia-There's so much stuff to read-one can't possibly read all of it. But I did read an NC interview in the early months where she said she was told PR knew about the child and she wanted Alex to get to know his grfather. There was a lot of serious stuff going on and they had their reasons for telling her that. I thought in all fairness I should tell you because you felt so serious about it.



This is what was published in The Express. Also, something similar was mentioned in the Paris Match article.

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L'Express du 04/07/2005 par Eric Pelletier, Jean-Marie Pontaut


Mais, pour l'ancienne hôtesse de l'air, l'argent ne fait pas tout. Elle veut surtout éviter que son fils ne soit élevé dans l'ombre, comme un bâtard qu'on dote pour mieux le cacher. Elle veut absolument qu'Alexandre puisse au plus vite rencontrer son grand-père. «Une idée fixe, qui tournait à l'obsession», explique un proche d'Albert. C'est précisément ce que veut éviter le futur souverain. Des lettres, accompagnées de photos, sont envoyées au palais, mais elles n'arriveront jamais à destination. La mère aurait même été éconduite par les gardes du Rocher. Dans ce contexte politique délicat, où le souverain est gravement malade, la naissance d'un enfant naturel poserait forcément un délicat problème de succession. Les réactions de Rainier, échaudé par les frasques de ses filles, demeurent imprévisibles.

Here’s my translation (my French is rudimentary):

But, for the former flight attendant, money is not everything. She especially wants to avoid that her son is not raised in the shadow, like a bastard who they endow to hide him better. She absolutely wants that Alexander can meet his grandfather as quickly as possible. « A set idea, which turned into an obsession », explains a close friend of Albert's. This is precisely what the future sovereign wants to avoid. Letters, accompanied with photographs, are sent to the palace, but they will never reach the destination. The mother would even have been turned away by the nurses of the Rock. In this delicate political context, where the sovereign is seriously ill, the birth of a natural child would necessarily pose a delicate problem of succession. The reactions of Rainier, scalded by the reckless adventures of his daughters, remain unpredictable.
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So, based on this interview, Nicole was dead set on Rainier knowing about Alexandre, including even going down to the Palace. Remember, it was Nicole who said that Albert cooled down their relationship once Rainier met her at a dinner. So, I think a lot of her action was out of spite. She must have felt humiliated to be rejected like that bby her boyfriend's father (and Albert didn't stand up for her either, but shewas already in love with him after the first date). So, do you believe she was sending HER family pictures of Alexandre so Alexnadre could get to know them as she was sending Rainer. This woman was determine to ingratiate herself in this family. How many mothers do you know would want to bring their 1-year old child in an empty chapel to see a dead old man (who he has never seen before) in a casket as she did when she begged Albert to let her come to the funeral (but the closest she got was to see Rainer’s body in the Palace chapel). I think Nicole so desperately wanted that “wave from the balcony” moment. She stated in this interview and in the Paris Match interview that she still loved Albert and even asked him to have sex with her, even after he told her to have an abortion, did not come to see the baby in the hospital, and did not see him until months later. I am sorry, but Nicole is one calculating and desperate woman who got the best of of a prince. I wonder if she is really happy now.
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After reading that, I just feel sorry for her. I don't see the calculating NC that many see. . .although I think she definitely had some delusions about her son being acknowledged as a Grimaldi. Even though Alex is a cutie pie, it's just sad to bring kids into these unhappe situations. Money is not everything so I hope that PA will take (is taking) time to get to know his son.
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I'm sorry to disagree here, but you would find just as many women around him if he looked like quasimodo and would treat them badly. He is filthy rich, he is a prince and he is a man and that means he is attracting a lot of women just like some decaying animal attracts a lot of flies. It doesn't say anything about his qualities as a man or human being, just as the flies don't tell you what sort of animal is decaying.
True...very, very true. But I think there is something to be said about the fact that Albert knows he attracts a certain kind of woman, but does nothing to protect himself from them. All I can think of is Marlene Dietrich's quote, "A man is more interested in a woman who is interested in him regardless of what her legs look like." There has to be an insecurity issue going on somewhere in PA's head.

It's sad to think that all women are attracted to men like PA strictly b/c of who he happens to be rather than the person he is. Maybe that's why none of his past relationships seemed to work out: the women were in love with an image, an ideal that they created in thier own minds, and he played the part for a while, but when reality came crashing down, the prince was just another man.
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This is what was published in The Express. Also, something similar was mentioned in the Paris Match article.

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L'Express du 04/07/2005 par Eric Pelletier, Jean-Marie Pontaut


Mais, pour l'ancienne hôtesse de l'air, l'argent ne fait pas tout. Elle veut surtout éviter que son fils ne soit élevé dans l'ombre, comme un bâtard qu'on dote pour mieux le cacher. Elle veut absolument qu'Alexandre puisse au plus vite rencontrer son grand-père. «Une idée fixe, qui tournait à l'obsession», explique un proche d'Albert. C'est précisément ce que veut éviter le futur souverain. Des lettres, accompagnées de photos, sont envoyées au palais, mais elles n'arriveront jamais à destination. La mère aurait même été éconduite par les gardes du Rocher. Dans ce contexte politique délicat, où le souverain est gravement malade, la naissance d'un enfant naturel poserait forcément un délicat problème de succession. Les réactions de Rainier, échaudé par les frasques de ses filles, demeurent imprévisibles.

Here’s my translation (my French is rudimentary):

But, for the former flight attendant, money is not everything. She especially wants to avoid that her son is not raised in the shadow, like a bastard who they endow to hide him better. She absolutely wants that Alexander can meet his grandfather as quickly as possible. « A set idea, which turned into an obsession », explains a close friend of Albert's. This is precisely what the future sovereign wants to avoid. Letters, accompanied with photographs, are sent to the palace, but they will never reach the destination. The mother would even have been turned away by the nurses of the Rock. In this delicate political context, where the sovereign is seriously ill, the birth of a natural child would necessarily pose a delicate problem of succession. The reactions of Rainier, scalded by the reckless adventures of his daughters, remain unpredictable.
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So, based on this interview, Nicole was dead set on Rainier knowing about Alexandre, including even going down to the Palace. Remember, it was Nicole who said that Albert cooled down their relationship once Rainier met her at a dinner. So, I think a lot of her action was out of spite. She must have felt humiliated to be rejected like that bby her boyfriend's father (and Albert didn't stand up for her either, but shewas already in love with him after the first date). So, do you believe she was sending HER family pictures of Alexandre so Alexnadre could get to know them as she was sending Rainer. This woman was determine to ingratiate herself in this family. How many mothers do you know would want to bring their 1-year old child in an empty chapel to see a dead old man (who he has never seen before) in a casket as she did when she begged Albert to let her come to the funeral (but the closest she got was to see Rainer’s body in the Palace chapel). I think Nicole so desperately wanted that “wave from the balcony” moment. She stated in this interview and in the Paris Match interview that she still loved Albert and even asked him to have sex with her, even after he told her to have an abortion, did not come to see the baby in the hospital, and did not see him until months later. I am sorry, but Nicole is one calculating and desperate woman who got the best of of a prince. I wonder if she is really happy now.
Although I respect the fact that you are entitled to your own opinion I have to say, I completely disagree with you. Prince Albert is not some poor, lonely, vulnerable little boy who needs protecting, he is a grown man who can fend for himself. I'm not saying that everything Nicole did is justified but if you are going to judge one of them you have to judge both of them.
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Although I respect the fact that you are entitled to your own opinion I have to say, I completely disagree with you. Prince Albert is not some poor, lonely, vulnerable little boy who needs protecting, he is a grown man who can fend for himself. I'm not saying that everything Nicole did is justified but if you are going to judge one of them you have to judge both of them.
Yes, I agree that Prince Albert is not some poor, lonely, vulnerable little boy who needs protecting. But, that does not mean that women do not prey on him also. Women are not these poor helpless creatures also. We need to stop giving away all our power. I do believe that Prince Albert lays on the charm really heavy. No ex-girlfriend has really dogged him (not even Nicole). They've all said he was extremely charming, nice, generous, and a true gentlemen. I think Albert tells these women what they want to hear. In Charlene's interview after her first date with Albert in 2001, she said (I'm paraphrasing) he told her he almost married a swimmer and that he has to get married and produce an heir. Nicole said on their first date he talked about his hopes of having a family. I think Albert does this intentionly; it draws the women in immediately. Remember, Nicole hasd to read all those magaizes with Albert on the cover with Tasha, Alicia, and other women (including Charlene) while she sat back waiting for her occassionaly "romp in the sack" with him. Either she is extremely stupid or Albert had to tell her something encouraging to draw her in. But, if the woman is the grieved one (if this bothered her), then she has the POWER to get out. Ideally we would all prefer if men were honorably and respectful all the time. But, that doesn't mean we should constantly endure the disrespect hoping that the man will change.

As for my comments above about Nicole sending pictures to Rainier, that is taking out of context. I responded to another posters comments. Below is my previous post and the other post.


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I really do believe Prince Albert will marry. He has consistently said in all of his recent interviews he has every intention to marry. However, after the recent media frenzy with Charlene’s public appearance, I do not think you will see him in the public with a woman until he announce his engagement. I think he will do as Prince Felipe of Spain and Prince Phillipe of Belgium. Everyone was surprised (pleasantly) when they announced their engagements. Neither was seen publicly with their future princess before the announcement. Felipe and Letizia were only dating a few months before they announced their engagements. I think once you reach a certain age, you have a better idea (hopefully Albert does now) of who you are and what you are looking for in a life-long mate and it does not take to long to know if that person is the right person for you.

I really want to see Albert with a soul mate who will help to enhance the image of Monaco. I know from the first pictures posted of Charlene, many posters noted that she was pretty and seem sweet and they expressed their desires that he marry her. Actually, someone posted an article that a local Monaco commentator wrote comparing Charlene to Grace (mainly attractiveness, blonde hair, and blue eyes), hence she was nice and Albert should marry her. Albert loves sports and the Olympics and he seems to share a certain bond with athletes, especially aspiring Olympians. However, I hope he can look behind just those interests when it comes to choosing his bride.

I doubt if any of us actually know any of these royals personally. We mainly form our opinions from pictures, and occasionally, written or spoken words. But sometimes the littlest (or not so littlest) action says a lot about a person’s true character. I read a lot of scathing critiques about Nicole’s actions, some I think were fair and some not so fair. But the one big action that Nicole performed (that we know is true) that says the most about her character is the sending of pictures of Albert with Alexandre to Ranier. That (to me) demonstrated that she is a vindictive, naïve, desperate, and not to mention stupid person. We do not know the seriousness of Charlene and Albert’s relationship. However, her behavior at the Olympics is the one little act that sticks out in my mind that demonstrates something about her character. She KNEW the photographers were taking their pictures. She wanted everyone to know that she and Albert were more than just friends sitting in a stadium. She wanted everyone to know that she and Albert were romantically involved. Look at the pictures again, have any of you ever seen a grown woman fawn over a grown man like that in a public stadium (ok, I’m a little prudish, but I still thought it was over the top behavior for an IOC member, prince, and head of state)? I know this is a little action and many of you said they were cute and just having fun, but I think Charlene knew (and still knows) what she was doing. I just hope Albert knows what he is doing.

I will wait for that surprise announcement. I just hope it is someone who is discrete (let’s not forget Charlene’s blow by blow detail of their first date) and cultivated. .

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MyAdia-There's so much stuff to read-one can't possibly read all of it. But I did read an NC interview in the early months where she said she was told PR knew about the child and she wanted Alex to get to know his grfather. There was a lot of serious stuff going on and they had their reasons for telling her that. I thought in all fairness I should tell you because you felt so serious about it.
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MyAdia, I get what you're saying about women being drawn to Albert but, I think they will like him regardless of what he says or does b/c he is a prince and they want to be a princess. I don't think any woman would willingly get into a relationship with a guy with Albert's track record unless she has some other motive.
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MyAdia, I get what you're saying about women being drawn to Albert but, I think they will like him regardless of what he says or does b/c he is a prince and they want to be a princess. I don't think any woman would willingly get into a relationship with a guy with Albert's track record unless she has some other motive.
Then there is always the poor soul who thinks she can save him from himself. Anyone getting involved with Albert at this point has to do it with her eyes wide open and a pretty strong sense of self. However, to play devil's advocate, there is always the chance that meeting the right woman, one who won't take his b@##$%^t and stand up to him and give him the confidence to fulfill the vision he outlined for Monaco last July, he will reform himself. This is oversimplifying a bit but...I am holding out hope that he'll figure out why he's alone.
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I was looking at the Pierre Current events thread -Number7
Albert looks so dignified at the Olympics when pictured with his nephew. (especially posts 57 and 59)
I hope someday he finds a lovely lady who can help him look stately like his nephew does. The difference in his appearance in the opening ceremony when compared to the closing ceremony is remarkable.
He looks so content and yet princelike when he is pictured with Pierre at the closing ceremony.He even looks good when attending the hockey game with Pierre.
Interesting....
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In response to teense, we saw some photos of PA being silly with her at the Olympics. So maybe he's looking for someone who is fun and exciting at the moment. Of course, everyone expects him to fins another Grace. I think he needs someone who can make him feel sill and fun in private, but act dignified with him in public. That way he's getting the best of both worlds.

But it would take a smart woman to know that she can't just trap PA with bedroom hijinks; rather she has to generate some positive press for herself by acting dignified.

Think about it: how many of us were turned off simply by CWs initial behavior?
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I was looking at the Pierre Current events thread -Number7
Albert looks so dignified at the Olympics when pictured with his nephew. (especially posts 57 and 59)
I hope someday he finds a lovely lady who can help him look stately like his nephew does. The difference in his appearance in the opening ceremony when compared to the closing ceremony is remarkable.
He looks so content and yet princelike when he is pictured with Pierre at the closing ceremony.He even looks good when attending the hockey game with Pierre.
Interesting....
Perhaps b/c he is playing the part of the responsible adult? I hope he finds that too... I think he's pretty good looking anyway so I can't be a really good judge of that.
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WHOA! C'est fun talk. We're back to May,June,July 05. I personally think, PA is quite capable and probably very happy to take care of his own "private-even if there are some others" stuff. And its none of my really business but I am happy for him. And to say he is EVER taken advantage of is JOKE. He's in charge imo he does what and is what he as a priviliged prince wants. And he's not what some idealists want but what PA wants,imo.

As for the funeral and that whole bit, Myadia you spoke of-I'm so glad somebody mentioned that. That's probably what I would have done,let the child see his gfather even at rest-I probably would have sneaked in a camera! And yes,imo PA has taken exquisite care of Ealexandre (and I'm sure he wasn't forced) and I imagine they are quite happy there in their home by the sea.
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In response to teense, we saw some photos of PA being silly with her at the Olympics. So maybe he's looking for someone who is fun and exciting at the moment. Of course, everyone expects him to fins another Grace. I think he needs someone who can make him feel sill and fun in private, but act dignified with him in public. That way he's getting the best of both worlds.

But it would take a smart woman to know that she can't just trap PA with bedroom hijinks; rather she has to generate some positive press for herself by acting dignified.

Think about it: how many of us were turned off simply by CWs initial behavior?
I was totally turned off by her behavior. Does this woman work? In her Paris Match interview she stated that all of her energies are focused on making the the 2008 Olympics. I doubt that very serious.

Here is the link again of the pictures from Getty Images. Charlene puts on her show only during the first day. She really wanted everyone to know that she and Prince Albert are romantically involved. She’s looking directly at the cameras and fawning all over him. By the second day probably after seeing the headlines, I am sure she realized that she was successful. There are no fawning pictures.

oops... I thought I could paste the links directly the the event. Just select the "view images from a specific event" and scroll doen to the dates.


10 Feb 2006, Opening Ceremony of the Turin Olympics
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11 Feb 2006, Alpine Skiing
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