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Old 02-22-2006, 06:05 PM
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Oh, and I think if they were really engaged, she would NOT have disappeared when rumors of it started to hit the print. If you really love someone, it's more important than anything else. Magazines print lies all the time for money. No celebrity can sue them all, he would go broke in legal fees.
They are definitely not engaged yet anyway. PA is currently suing France Dimanche over stories about him and Telma Ortiz that hit the press in October. His PR people are not denying the story, they are just saying no comment. Also, the official mourning period for Rainier isn't over until April (I'm thinking mid-month b/c the funeral was April 15th) and by then PA will be at the North Pole.

My gut instinct is partially that she was being too chatty and partly that she was only there for a weekend diversion. No one knows when this relationship started (although in late Oct/early Nov he said he wasn't dating anyone) so it's hard to say how fast the rush to the altar would be. If I were her, I'd wait at least a year to see if I could handle the pressure before diving into anything (no pun intended).

I don't think Andrea quite has the work ethic to handle the throne. Remember, Rainier was training Albert for it since his early childhood.

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Old 02-22-2006, 06:18 PM
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There seems to be a lot of ill will towards Albert marrying anyone. If he picked Charlene, I would be happy and I have a sneeking feeling that the people of Monaco would be happy too.

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Old 02-22-2006, 08:33 PM
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They are definitely not engaged yet anyway. PA is currently suing France Dimanche over stories about him and Telma Ortiz that hit the press in October. His PR people are not denying the story, they are just saying no comment. Also, the official mourning period for Rainier isn't over until April (I'm thinking mid-month b/c the funeral was April 15th) and by then PA will be at the North Pole.

My gut instinct is partially that she was being too chatty and partly that she was only there for a weekend diversion. No one knows when this relationship started (although in late Oct/early Nov he said he wasn't dating anyone) so it's hard to say how fast the rush to the altar would be. If I were her, I'd wait at least a year to see if I could handle the pressure before diving into anything (no pun intended).

I don't think Andrea quite has the work ethic to handle the throne. Remember, Rainier was training Albert for it since his early childhood.

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I missed he was suing over the Thelma articles. Before the end of the year I see Albert in a happy relationship with a woman the public will have to accept he loves. You know it doesn't matter what anyone thinks but him as to his heart and hers. So she doesn't fit the Princess standards in the views of some. What are they? To be a Princess you need to be female born into it or marry a Prince. You can be trained even as Grace was on the correct protocol. Charlene spoke to the press personally I wouldn't and say no comment unless Albert gave the approval and we don't know if he told her it was okay to speak or not. He knew taking her in public like that would cause a stir. It's also a good way to find out if she would be able to handle it. She's doesn't seem afraid of the press or attention. Besides you need to be friends before lovers.
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Old 02-22-2006, 10:22 PM
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I missed he was suing over the Thelma articles. Before the end of the year I see Albert in a happy relationship with a woman the public will have to accept he loves. You know it doesn't matter what anyone thinks but him as to his heart and hers. So she doesn't fit the Princess standards in the views of some. What are they? To be a Princess you need to be female born into it or marry a Prince. You can be trained even as Grace was on the correct protocol. Charlene spoke to the press personally I wouldn't and say no comment unless Albert gave the approval and we don't know if he told her it was okay to speak or not. He knew taking her in public like that would cause a stir. It's also a good way to find out if she would be able to handle it. She's doesn't seem afraid of the press or attention. Besides you need to be friends before lovers.
The buzz over the Thelma articles was quick and the rumours were kept to Germany, some of the "lesser" magazines in France, and Spain. It was around mid-October. Honestly, I want PA -- or anyone for that matter -- to be happy and the idea that Charlene is comfortable with the press is a good sign to me. Yet I would probably behave in the same way as Lady M. Yes, you can teach someone protocol but you can't teach them to be "smart" (note: I'm using that for lack of a better word); unfortunately, you have to learn that through trial and error.

Dealing with the press is a double-edged sword: you can either try to avoid them and they hound you all the more, or you can chat them up but then they always want more. The trick is to find a balance.
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Old 02-23-2006, 12:27 AM
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It's really hard to take PA seriously when it comes to women. Sorry but too many on his arm. Also, you almost have to be missing a screw to think that being that famous and that much in the spotlight is really appealing. I dare to say his position probably attracts some not so good apples. I knew in just a few months that I was going to marry my husband and I had a really good instinct almost imediately. I imagine PA probably has some trust issues...

Oh and Lady Mac, I must agree, being friends first is best. Everybody is different but the general premise of establishing a level of mutual respect early on is a good one. This is why, I think, the general rule among the royal girlfriends and mates is to keep your mouth shut. One little sentence or comment can start a frenzy. CW said something (or so I've read) about Torino being a good place for "two people in love" or "lovers" (depending on the translation) and it was a bit much. Coupled with pics of his hand on her thigh and her laying on him in the stands....just not such a good idea. (If she even said it, press lies all the time) The impression it leaves is less than honorable and a bit too personal for the entire world......it sort of leaves her looking like she is kissing and telling.....IMO
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Old 02-23-2006, 08:04 AM
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I have a hard time believing he will ever marry. He seems to be like George Clooney, always girlfriends around, but focused on his life, sports, and camaraderie with his male friends. It's as if there is a distrust of women that stops them from having lasting relationships. Most people would get over that at some point and commit to someone, but with a Prince or an actor, why should they when there will always be plenty of women around willing to be girlfriends?

I also think it would be sad for him to marry someone not his equal just so that children could be produced. And I have to wonder if he can find someone his equal young enough to have children. I'm not criticizing youth, just saying that often there is a difference in the views of different age groups.
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Old 02-23-2006, 11:14 AM
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I'm not saying that CW would be the best wife for PA but she's the best candidate in quite a while it seems, which does not reflect very good on PA. He goes for this type of young woman. That's just the situation with him and that's why he's often disappointing to a lot of people.
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Old 02-24-2006, 12:14 AM
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Anyone interested in having a poll on whether there will be an engagement announcement on April 19th, as Bunte (the German tabloid/mag) reports? By the way, from what I gathered, and correct me please if I'm inaccurate, Bunte reported that PA and CW met in May 2005, when they met in 2001.
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Old 02-24-2006, 12:42 AM
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Anyone interested in having a poll on whether there will be an engagement announcement on April 19th, as Bunte (the German tabloid/mag) reports? By the way, from what I gathered, and correct me please if I'm inaccurate, Bunte reported that PA and CW met in May 2005, when they met in 2001.
I believe PA will be at the North Pole on April 19...part of the plan not to be around on his parents' 50th wedding anniversary. There have been so many errors in reports that I think most magazines are out to publish a story in order to boost circulation rather than get their facts straight. I did read one interesting article (and so sorry I forgot the source) that hints that the performance at the Olympics may have been just for publicity -- I think the translation was weak but it mentioned that as the son of an actress he would be just as comfortable being known for appearances in the gossip magazines as he would for his leadership agenda.
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I have some photos from a local magazine article about Charlene Wittstock and Prince Albert. Unfortunately I can't post the article and the magazine website is subscription only.

The article just gave a run down of their meeting and them going to the winter Olympics together. She is from Benoni (same as Charlize Theron), she was living in Durban but she fell ill and moved back home.

The rest of the article is just about her swimming career.

The article is by Kerri-Ann Roper in the YOU Magazine (www.you.co.za) and the photos are taken by ER Lombard (no agency name).

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Old 02-24-2006, 12:54 PM
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I have some photos from a local magazine article about Charlene Wittstock and Prince Albert. Unfortunately I can't post the article and the magazine website is subscription only.

The article just gave a run down of their meeting and them going to the winter Olympics together. She is from Benoni (same as Charlize Theron), she was living in Durban but she fell ill and moved back home.

The rest of the article is just about her swimming career.

The article is by Kerri-Ann Roper in the YOU Magazine (www.you.co.za) and the photos are taken by ER Lombard (no agency name).

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Old 02-24-2006, 02:22 PM
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Boy, that title sure looks like she's trying to get some publicity out of her relationship with PA. Surely he's seen it all and does't care. Also, I would like to add, other than being blond and skinny, she really does not seem to have too much going for her in the looks catagory. Not ugly, but not that pretty either. Of course, she could have a great personality which makes anyone attractive. Just my two cents...
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Old 02-25-2006, 01:52 AM
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If I were PA I would never admit at any time to anyone that I was "dating" anyone. Hell, he probably doesn't even let the women he's dating know they are being "dated". No clue who he was kissing in the NY bar, that story sounds like it could be completely made up. The press lies, lies, lies. Anything to keep it interesting.
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OK, we have talked about her looks and and her attitude towards the press and the press' attitude towards her, but what I would like to know is what other qualities apart from being able to pose for a camera and keeping her head above the water better than others does she have to make her a possible successful candidate (PAs current affection aside)? IMO it takes more then looks and being young enough to have children to make a princess. Does she speak other languages then English? IN MC she would also need Italian and French and of course Monegasques to please the elders. Sure Grace learned French as well, but the older you get, the harder it is to learn. And in order to fully understand the working of MC, she would have to be really good in those languages as well. But then of course just languages won't do if she wants to do a good job. So, does anyone know anything else about her by now?

With regards to most media reports, I still think that the wish is the father of the thought as we say in German. It would make a great sell, but I doubt that they know any more then what can be seen in the pics. I doubt that PA is giving any one the inside track on what is going on. (apart from maybe his sisters)
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Old 02-25-2006, 08:08 PM
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OK, we have talked about her looks and and her attitude towards the press and the press' attitude towards her, but what I would like to know is what other qualities apart from being able to pose for a camera and keeping her head above the water better than others does she have to make her a possible successful candidate (PAs current affection aside)? IMO it takes more then looks and being young enough to have children to make a princess. Does she speak other languages then English? IN MC she would also need Italian and French and of course Monegasques to please the elders. Sure Grace learned French as well, but the older you get, the harder it is to learn. And in order to fully understand the working of MC, she would have to be really good in those languages as well. But then of course just languages won't do if she wants to do a good job. So, does anyone know anything else about her by now?

With regards to most media reports, I still think that the wish is the father of the thought as we say in German. It would make a great sell, but I doubt that they know any more then what can be seen in the pics. I doubt that PA is giving any one the inside track on what is going on. (apart from maybe his sisters)
She obviously speaks English, which is how she and PA probably communicate since he doesn't speak her native Afrikan. Also, I don't recall Grace learning the Monegasques or Italian languages. I could be wrong but if I'm right then why does Charlene have to be held to a higher standard than Grace? Even if she did have to learn new languages (and I really don't think she has to become fluent in anything but French) we have seen several examples of recently crowned princesses who have become fluent in Danish and Dutch at or older than the age Charlene is now. No one can possibly know what her potential is as the future sovereign princess of MC.
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Also, I don't recall Grace learning the Monegasques or Italian languages.
Grace didn't have to learn Monegasques, because at the time it was not regarded as sth important to know the local language. MC was looking towards France and French politics at the time were not in favor of keeping local culture, thus Monegasque was being neglected. Since then Rainier has changed this in the seventies and introduced Monegasque as language to be taught in school from preschool onwards. The prince heads als a "concours" were the best speakers are being rewarded each year. this is supported by the whole family and there is even a prix Princesse Antoinette. Monegasque is becomining more important than it was 50 years ago. Also at the time Grace came to MC there weren't that many Italians around in MC as there are today. Nowadays it is one of the strongest communities here (though slightly reclining in recent years) and also after the French, Italians are the largest number amongst the workers here, thus I do think it is important to know at least basic Italian, which was not important when Grace became princess. In contrast to those other countries you mentioned, MC is a multilingual and multicultural community and a peoples culture is always best understood, if you know the language. That does not mean that you won't be able to survive without that knowledge, but it would most certainly make life much easier.
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Grace didn't have to learn Monegasques, because at the time it was not regarded as sth important to know the local language. MC was looking towards France and French politics at the time were not in favor of keeping local culture, thus Monegasque was being neglected. Since then Rainier has changed this in the seventies and introduced Monegasque as language to be taught in school from preschool onwards. The prince heads als a "concours" were the best speakers are being rewarded each year. this is supported by the whole family and there is even a prix Princesse Antoinette. Monegasque is becomining more important than it was 50 years ago. Also at the time Grace came to MC there weren't that many Italians around in MC as there are today. Nowadays it is one of the strongest communities here (though slightly reclining in recent years) and also after the French, Italians are the largest number amongst the workers here, thus I do think it is important to know at least basic Italian, which was not important when Grace became princess. In contrast to those other countries you mentioned, MC is a multilingual and multicultural community and a peoples culture is always best understood, if you know the language. That does not mean that you won't be able to survive without that knowledge, but it would most certainly make life much easier.
All this is very nice but if Prince Albert decides he wants to marry Charlene, he will marry her and I doubt the Monegasque people are going to object because she doesn't speak Monegasque, Italian or whatever. French is the official language in Monaco. I think they would be understanding and welcoming. Just a hunch. To say that the future princess of Monaco has to learn more than one new language is, imo, an atempt to put the bar so high as to wish her to fail. If PA wants to marry her, he will regardless of some peoples opinions or their expectations of who and what she should be.
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He can mary whoever he wishes to.
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OK, we have talked about her looks and and her attitude towards the press and the press' attitude towards her, but what I would like to know is what other qualities apart from being able to pose for a camera and keeping her head above the water better than others does she have to make her a possible successful candidate (PAs current affection aside)? IMO it takes more then looks and being young enough to have children to make a princess. Does she speak other languages then English? IN MC she would also need Italian and French and of course Monegasques to please the elders. Sure Grace learned French as well, but the older you get, the harder it is to learn. And in order to fully understand the working of MC, she would have to be really good in those languages as well. But then of course just languages won't do if she wants to do a good job. So, does anyone know anything else about her by now?
Welcome back, paca...your insights were missed. Hope all is well with you and yours. I agree with your sentiments. <Removed personal remarks/Mandy>

I think the current issue of Point de Vue on the stands talk addresses what Albert's entourage thinks of her. However, I do think it is very telling that Pierre is with him at the Olympics for the closing and not Charlene. BTW, does anyone know exactly what else she does other than swim?
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I agree. There should be no more pressure on him to marry the perfect Grace look-alike, Hollywood actress, or otherwise "perfect" woman.
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