A wife for Albert


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LadyS said:
I have some photos from a local magazine article about Charlene Wittstock and Prince Albert. Unfortunately I can't post the article and the magazine website is subscription only.

The article just gave a run down of their meeting and them going to the winter Olympics together. She is from Benoni (same as Charlize Theron), she was living in Durban but she fell ill and moved back home.

The rest of the article is just about her swimming career.

The article is by Kerri-Ann Roper in the YOU Magazine (www.you.co.za) and the photos are taken by ER Lombard (no agency name).

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Boy, that title sure looks like she's trying to get some publicity out of her relationship with PA. Surely he's seen it all and does't care. Also, I would like to add, other than being blond and skinny, she really does not seem to have too much going for her in the looks catagory. Not ugly, but not that pretty either. Of course, she could have a great personality which makes anyone attractive. Just my two cents...
 
If I were PA I would never admit at any time to anyone that I was "dating" anyone. Hell, he probably doesn't even let the women he's dating know they are being "dated". No clue who he was kissing in the NY bar, that story sounds like it could be completely made up. The press lies, lies, lies. Anything to keep it interesting.
 
OK, we have talked about her looks and and her attitude towards the press and the press' attitude towards her, but what I would like to know is what other qualities apart from being able to pose for a camera and keeping her head above the water better than others does she have to make her a possible successful candidate (PAs current affection aside)? IMO it takes more then looks and being young enough to have children to make a princess. Does she speak other languages then English? IN MC she would also need Italian and French and of course Monegasques to please the elders. Sure Grace learned French as well, but the older you get, the harder it is to learn. And in order to fully understand the working of MC, she would have to be really good in those languages as well. But then of course just languages won't do if she wants to do a good job. So, does anyone know anything else about her by now?

With regards to most media reports, I still think that the wish is the father of the thought as we say in German. It would make a great sell, but I doubt that they know any more then what can be seen in the pics. I doubt that PA is giving any one the inside track on what is going on. (apart from maybe his sisters)
 
paca said:
OK, we have talked about her looks and and her attitude towards the press and the press' attitude towards her, but what I would like to know is what other qualities apart from being able to pose for a camera and keeping her head above the water better than others does she have to make her a possible successful candidate (PAs current affection aside)? IMO it takes more then looks and being young enough to have children to make a princess. Does she speak other languages then English? IN MC she would also need Italian and French and of course Monegasques to please the elders. Sure Grace learned French as well, but the older you get, the harder it is to learn. And in order to fully understand the working of MC, she would have to be really good in those languages as well. But then of course just languages won't do if she wants to do a good job. So, does anyone know anything else about her by now?

With regards to most media reports, I still think that the wish is the father of the thought as we say in German. It would make a great sell, but I doubt that they know any more then what can be seen in the pics. I doubt that PA is giving any one the inside track on what is going on. (apart from maybe his sisters)
She obviously speaks English, which is how she and PA probably communicate since he doesn't speak her native Afrikan. Also, I don't recall Grace learning the Monegasques or Italian languages. I could be wrong but if I'm right then why does Charlene have to be held to a higher standard than Grace? :confused: Even if she did have to learn new languages (and I really don't think she has to become fluent in anything but French) we have seen several examples of recently crowned princesses who have become fluent in Danish and Dutch at or older than the age Charlene is now. No one can possibly know what her potential is as the future sovereign princess of MC.
 
Laviollette said:
Also, I don't recall Grace learning the Monegasques or Italian languages.
Grace didn't have to learn Monegasques, because at the time it was not regarded as sth important to know the local language. MC was looking towards France and French politics at the time were not in favor of keeping local culture, thus Monegasque was being neglected. Since then Rainier has changed this in the seventies and introduced Monegasque as language to be taught in school from preschool onwards. The prince heads als a "concours" were the best speakers are being rewarded each year. this is supported by the whole family and there is even a prix Princesse Antoinette. Monegasque is becomining more important than it was 50 years ago. Also at the time Grace came to MC there weren't that many Italians around in MC as there are today. Nowadays it is one of the strongest communities here (though slightly reclining in recent years) and also after the French, Italians are the largest number amongst the workers here, thus I do think it is important to know at least basic Italian, which was not important when Grace became princess. In contrast to those other countries you mentioned, MC is a multilingual and multicultural community and a peoples culture is always best understood, if you know the language. That does not mean that you won't be able to survive without that knowledge, but it would most certainly make life much easier.
 
paca said:
Grace didn't have to learn Monegasques, because at the time it was not regarded as sth important to know the local language. MC was looking towards France and French politics at the time were not in favor of keeping local culture, thus Monegasque was being neglected. Since then Rainier has changed this in the seventies and introduced Monegasque as language to be taught in school from preschool onwards. The prince heads als a "concours" were the best speakers are being rewarded each year. this is supported by the whole family and there is even a prix Princesse Antoinette. Monegasque is becomining more important than it was 50 years ago. Also at the time Grace came to MC there weren't that many Italians around in MC as there are today. Nowadays it is one of the strongest communities here (though slightly reclining in recent years) and also after the French, Italians are the largest number amongst the workers here, thus I do think it is important to know at least basic Italian, which was not important when Grace became princess. In contrast to those other countries you mentioned, MC is a multilingual and multicultural community and a peoples culture is always best understood, if you know the language. That does not mean that you won't be able to survive without that knowledge, but it would most certainly make life much easier.
All this is very nice but if Prince Albert decides he wants to marry Charlene, he will marry her and I doubt the Monegasque people are going to object because she doesn't speak Monegasque, Italian or whatever. French is the official language in Monaco. I think they would be understanding and welcoming. Just a hunch. ;) To say that the future princess of Monaco has to learn more than one new language is, imo, an atempt to put the bar so high as to wish her to fail. If PA wants to marry her, he will regardless of some peoples opinions or their expectations of who and what she should be.
 
paca said:
OK, we have talked about her looks and and her attitude towards the press and the press' attitude towards her, but what I would like to know is what other qualities apart from being able to pose for a camera and keeping her head above the water better than others does she have to make her a possible successful candidate (PAs current affection aside)? IMO it takes more then looks and being young enough to have children to make a princess. Does she speak other languages then English? IN MC she would also need Italian and French and of course Monegasques to please the elders. Sure Grace learned French as well, but the older you get, the harder it is to learn. And in order to fully understand the working of MC, she would have to be really good in those languages as well. But then of course just languages won't do if she wants to do a good job. So, does anyone know anything else about her by now?

Welcome back, paca...your insights were missed. Hope all is well with you and yours. I agree with your sentiments. <Removed personal remarks/Mandy>

I think the current issue of Point de Vue on the stands talk addresses what Albert's entourage thinks of her. However, I do think it is very telling that Pierre is with him at the Olympics for the closing and not Charlene. BTW, does anyone know exactly what else she does other than swim?
 
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hofburg said:
He can mary whoever he wishes to.
I agree. There should be no more pressure on him to marry the perfect Grace look-alike, Hollywood actress, or otherwise "perfect" woman.
 
Laviollette said:
All this is very nice but if Prince Albert decides he wants to marry Charlene, he will marry her and I doubt the Monegasque people are going to object because she doesn't speak Monegasque, Italian or whatever. French is the official language in Monaco. I think they would be understanding and welcoming. Just a hunch. ;) To say that the future princess of Monaco has to learn more than one new language is, imo, an atempt to put the bar so high as to wish her to fail. If PA wants to marry her, he will regardless of some peoples opinions or their expectations of who and what she should be.
Of course I agree with you that he can and will marry whoever he wants, but I think after all this time he also wants it to last and thus he would probably chose someone who does not have people against her (like NC would have had) from the beginning. The more suitable she is, the easier it is for her in her daily life. Any relationship will encounter its problems all by itself sooner or later. So you don't really need an extra difficulty added by people not accepting you in your daily life. That would most certainly put a strain on the greatest love. Also don't be illusioned by the welcoming and understanding of the Monegasque. At first they would be happy for him to get married and have kids, but if she has no particular qualities to fullfill the job, she will have a tough life. People will never say to a journalist what they think about the Grimaldis. But just remember, even Steph is not that popular and respected in MC (despite what some mags write about it). And PG also encountered massive opposition in her early years in MC after the first enthusiasm over the wedding had calmed.

Also I am not trying to put the bar high for any possible candidate. It is PA himself that has put it this high by looking for miss perfect.;)
 
Laviollette said:
I agree. There should be no more pressure on him to marry the perfect Grace look-alike, Hollywood actress, or otherwise "perfect" woman.
I for one would be just happy to see him marry a decent woman with brains and education and some moral standards.
 
paca said:
Of course I agree with you that he can and will marry whoever he wants, but I think after all this time he also wants it to last and thus he would probably chose someone who does not have people against her (like NC would have had) from the beginning. The more suitable she is, the easier it is for her in her daily life. Any relationship will encounter its problems all by itself sooner or later. So you don't really need an extra difficulty added by people not accepting you in your daily life. That would most certainly put a strain on the greatest love. Also don't be illusioned by the welcoming and understanding of the Monegasque. At first they would be happy for him to get married and have kids, but if she has no particular qualities to fullfill the job, she will have a tough life. People will never say to a journalist what they think about the Grimaldis. But just remember, even Steph is not that popular and respected in MC (despite what some mags write about it). And PG also encountered massive opposition in her early years in MC after the first enthusiasm over the wedding had calmed.

Also I am not trying to put the bar high for any possible candidate. It is PA himself that has put it this high by looking for miss perfect.;)
I haven't heard or read that there is opposition to Charlene. No one even knows her enough to judge her. She's only come to light as someone in PA's life in the last week or two and I don't know what would make her so unsuitable in the minds of some people. :confused: She has had a career in swimming. Does that make her less qualified than PG? No. Does it make her less qualified than Mette-Marit (imo the least deserving of being crown princess)? No, it doesn't. Charlene would make as good a princess as the other commoners from varying backgrounds who have recently married into several royal families. :)
 
paca said:
I for one would be just happy to see him marry a decent woman with brains and education and some moral standards.
And how do we know that CW is not a decent woman with brains and education and some moral standards? She obviously had the discipline and commitment to become a champion swimmer in her own country and to have even competed in the Olympics. We know she hasn't been caught doping so as far as we can tell there are no drugs in her past. Lets just reserve judgment until we know more about her and whether PA will decide on her as his wife. If he does decide on CW, a little support and less sniping at someone none of us knows or will ever know would be nice. :cool:
 
Laviollette said:
And how do we know that CW is not a decent woman with brains and education and some moral standards? She obviously had the discipline and commitment to become a champion swimmer in her own country and to have even competed in the Olympics. We know she hasn't been caught doping so as far as we can tell there are no drugs in her past. Lets just reserve judgment until we know more about her and whether PA will decide on her as his wife. If he does decide on CW, a little support and less sniping at someone none of us knows or will ever know would be nice. :cool:

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No one is casting aspersions on CW's character. In fact, the tone of the most recent postings is now more of curiosity about what kind of person CW is. Right now, she seems to be a mystery except for the fact that she is a strong supporter of PDA and is not what you call discreet (announcing to the press, that yes, she is sleeping with PA) is not what I would consider to be tactful. Despite the change in attitudes in the past 50 years, that was too much information for general publication. Certain assumptions will be made; there is no reason to confirm this unless there is something you are trying to prove. Just a forum of opinions here....
 
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Laviollette said:
And how do we know that CW is not a decent woman with brains and education and some moral standards? She obviously had the discipline and commitment to become a champion swimmer in her own country and to have even competed in the Olympics. We know she hasn't been caught doping so as far as we can tell there are no drugs in her past. Lets just reserve judgment until we know more about her and whether PA will decide on her as his wife. If he does decide on CW, a little support and less sniping at someone none of us knows or will ever know would be nice. :cool:
What year was she in the Olympics? I missed she had been in them it was my understanding she was trying.
 
I personally think we're getting ahead of ourselves here.....I mean, if you think about it, it's not like any of the photos of PA and CW were really public events. Someone just snapped them in the stands. To intstantly marry the two is probably being a bit presumptuous...
 
leahteresa said:
I personally think we're getting ahead of ourselves here.....I mean, if you think about it, it's not like any of the photos of PA and CW were really public events. Someone just snapped them in the stands. To intstantly marry the two is probably being a bit presumptuous...

True...true...it's the press talking wedding more than anyone else. We're the folks who buy the magazines though... It will probably be like this whenever he is seen in public with a woman.
 
Well, I was just thinking he made quite a few public appearances with NC. Then we didn't see her agian til she showed up on the cover of Paris Match holding his child. (You'd really think he would have learned to stop posing for so many pictures with so many women but he just doesn't care.) She says they were together five years but it was obviously not a closed relationship. He probably has to be really really careful what he says to women. Women appear to fall in love with him pretty easily, proably not hard with a potenial princess fantisy lurking in the background, but why would he settle down? Give up falling in love over and over? That new relationship stuff is fun, romance, first kisses, unknown.....He might surprize me but I'm going to have to cast a vote to change the name of this thread to " No wife for PA, he really doens't need one." Just like any independant woman will tell you, a woman can be whole without a man, and PA can certainly be whole without a woman.
 
It's kinda of sad to say this, but if he hasn't found the "one" at this age, he probably won't. He either has impossibly high standards or he is not really serious about getting married and chooses to remain a bachelor. I just can't imagine that with all the women he has dated or come into contact with that he hasn't found one lady among them. I just think that when a man is intent on finding a wife, he does it. No excuses.

I'm not saying he's a bad person, but marriage is obviously not a priority for him.
 
I agree with you. People need to accept the fact that PA may never get married and he probably decided this a long time ago but because of his position, he just cannot come out and say it. So he leaves people guessing. Probably the reason why he is not as close to his son, because he never wanted him to begin with. Probably never planned to have kids and here comes NC who manages to con him. I mean isn't it strange that in the official MC website, even now that he acknowledged the child there is still no mention about him under his personal life like his sisters. He is probably doing it not to give NC that satisfaction but common the kid exists and not mentioning it under his credentials is not going to change that. What is he going to explain to him one day. I like PA but he needs to grow up.
 
Then, jabilo, he's a deadbeat dad even if he does provide financially! A boy needs a father just as much as a few thousand a month. I will say this again: pauvre petit bebe Alexandre. :( :( :(
 
Laviollette said:
There seems to be a lot of ill will towards Albert marrying anyone. If he picked Charlene, I would be happy and I have a sneeking feeling that the people of Monaco would be happy too.

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I think the people of Monaco would also be relieved if Albert finally married. I thought that was part of the "job" description - to get married and keep the royal line going. Am I wrong?:confused:
 
starnightsky said:
I think the people of Monaco would also be relieved if Albert finally married. I thought that was part of the "job" description - to get married and keep the royal line going. Am I wrong?:confused:

well the royal line would still be going because rainier made those changes before his death so that andrea would take over in the case albert did not marry.
 
enchantednights said:
well the royal line would still be going because rainier made those changes before his death so that andrea would take over in the case albert did not marry.
But the point is that Rainier was forced to make those changes because Albert refused to marry. And yes, starnightsky, getting married and producing heirs is part of the job description of the Prince of Monaco. If he didn't want to live up to his responsibilities, he should have abdicated in favor of Caroline. I hardly believe out of all the women he's dated, not one of them was loveable, suitable, and capable of being Princess of Monaco. He chose to be a playboy and skirt his duties.
 
Laviollette said:
But the point is that Rainier was forced to make those changes because Albert refused to marry. And yes, starnightsky, getting married and producing heirs is part of the job description of the Prince of Monaco. If he didn't want to live up to his responsibilities, he should have abdicated in favor of Caroline. I hardly believe out of all the women he's dated, not one of them was loveable, suitable, and capable of being Princess of Monaco. He chose to be a playboy and skirt his duties.

we both know that is not going to happen. he has been preparing for this his whole life and is so capable yet he does not wish to marry at the moment and there is nothing wrong with that, as long as he knows what he is doing with the country , which he does. he couldn't very well abdicate in favour of Caro because that would mean Ernst and her would have to give their HRHs up, and that also is not going to happen and I don't think Ernst would like being consort very much and Caro has not been training for this all her life and she could not abdicate in favour of Andrea because at the moment he is not ready, perhaps Albert is getting him ready. really, who knows? anyways i personally think albert will never get married. then we have Andrea, and I think with the proper training he will do a spectacular job. and this one will get married!
 
enchantednights said:
...anyways i personally think albert will never get married...

Never say never...when you least expect it, things happen and happen for the right reasons. As I have said before (see previous thread), often looking for the perfect person can lead to "analysis paralysis." I believe when Albert lets his guard down, and lets go of trying to figure out which woman can live up to his mother, he will find the right person. As paca has also said, Grace had a very difficult time after the glow of the wedding was over, and often people idolize others after death.

And you are right, enchantednights, right now he needs to focus on proving himself as a sovereign and he is doing very well. One thing at a time...
 
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Laviollette said:
But the point is that Rainier was forced to make those changes because Albert refused to marry. And yes, starnightsky, getting married and producing heirs is part of the job description of the Prince of Monaco. If he didn't want to live up to his responsibilities, he should have abdicated in favor of Caroline. I hardly believe out of all the women he's dated, not one of them was loveable, suitable, and capable of being Princess of Monaco. He chose to be a playboy and skirt his duties.

That is exactly what I was trying to say. Albert is the Prince of Monaco and one of his duties is to get married and produce an heir not to rely on his sisters to do his job for him! Albert is a disappointment. He knew from an early age what his duties were to be and if he didn't think or want to live up to them, then he should have let it go to Caroline even if Prince Rainier would've have had a heart attack.
 
starnightsky said:
That is exactly what I was trying to say. Albert is the Prince of Monaco and one of his duties is to get married and produce an heir not to rely on his sisters to do his job for him! Albert is a disappointment. He knew from an early age what his duties were to be and if he didn't think or want to live up to them, then he should have let it go to Caroline even if Prince Rainier would've have had a heart attack.

but the thing is that getting married and having a child is not his only job. just part of it, and right now it is not necessary because he could easily adopt Andrea. i don't know i guess i'm the only one who really doesn't see him not getting married as this big thing. he's fine the way he is and an excellent leader if you ask me.
 
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