Which royal family has the best collection of jewels?


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hi. what noble or non-reigning families have the best jewel collections. i thought i asked this question before but cant find the thread.anyguesses and oppinions ?
 
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This may not be exactly the answer you're looking for but the late Baron Thyssen had a serious jewelry collection, which he accumulated over the course of his five :shock: marriages! I think the Bornemisza family was Hungarian in origin, and not really royal, but the Baron was known to lavish jewels on his wives. I'm guessing his widow Tita got most of the swag when he passed away, but for sure there were some excellent, beautiful pieces in the bunch. A very interesting question. :heart:
 
The former royal houses of India (there are 545 of them) have huge collections. For instance, members of the erstwhile princely state of Baroda (a former '21 gun salute state) are embroiled in a publicized and complicated inheritence battle. The Baroda estate is worth millions, and the jewellery collection alone is estimated at 100s of millions (dollars, not rupees). There was an article a while back. If anyone is interested I can post snippets or PM it to you.

The Maharajas of Gwalior, Jaipur, Jodhpur, Udaipur, Kashmir, Mysore, to name a few, all have huge collections.


If we're talking about former *ruling* European royal houses, I would guess and say that Wurtemberg and Bavaria have two of the largest intact collections.
 
im sure about HM Queen have collection? like as brooches and tiaras because she very value! and her mother was also HM Queen Mother.

Sara Boyce
 
Originally posted by sara1981@May 6th, 2004 - 3:24 pm
im sure about HM Queen have collection? like as brooches and tiaras because she very value! and her mother was also HM Queen Mother.

Sara Boyce
Um, which Queen? I assume your referring to EII? If so, I think the original poster was referring to now non-ruling houses and their former nobility. Non?
 
To tie Sara's post in with the orginal question, HM Queen Elizabeth II does have a large collection of the jewels from the former ruling house of Russia. Do any of the other Russian royals have many of the Romanov jewels?
 
Originally posted by Fireweaver@May 6th, 2004 - 3:32 pm
To tie Sara's post in with the orginal question, HM Queen Elizabeth II does have a large collection of the jewels from the former ruling house of Russia. Do any of the other Russian royals have many of the Romanov jewels?
Ooooh, I liked the way you tied that in. Very good.

Anyway, technically, there are only three members of the former Imperial house alive today. The rest are morganout descendants of the Romanovs. None of them have any substantial Romanov jewels. Rather than being in the hands of today's Romanovs, most of the jewels that did make it out of Russia were sold and/or can be found amongst the collections of Europes royal houses (through inheritance and/or purchase).
 
Ahh, thanks Sean. I know I've seen a picture of Grand Duchess (I think that's her title) Maria with a tiara. Was it a Romanov one, or did it come from her husband's family?
 
Originally posted by Fireweaver@May 6th, 2004 - 4:29 pm
Ahh, thanks Sean. I know I've seen a picture of Grand Duchess (I think that's her title) Maria with a tiara. Was it a Romanov one, or did it come from her husband's family?
You know what, I don't know. Leonide, her mother, also wore a small tiara at an American ball a few years ago, but it didn't 'look' like a Romanov jewel. The wedding tiara in question may have been handed down from Victoria Feodorovna, butn I somehow doubt it. I t could have been borrowed from the Prussians or purchased with Bagration-Kirby funds. (Leonide was born a Bagration, and her first husband was American millionare Sumner Moore Kirby)
 
Ahh okay, thanks.
Do you happen to know much about the Wuttenberg collection? I've seen the stuff at Danjel's site, and the stuff at Shrubbery's. Does the Royal Family still have the right to borrow the ones that are owned by the state, and now does one decide what are government owned jewels?
 
Originally posted by Fireweaver@May 6th, 2004 - 4:46 pm
Ahh okay, thanks.
Do you happen to know much about the Wuttenberg collection? I've seen the stuff at Danjel's site, and the stuff at Shrubbery's. Does the Royal Family still have the right to borrow the ones that are owned by the state, and now does one decide what are government owned jewels?
I'm not sure as to what more I can tell you about the collection. I'm based my comments on what I've read and seen over the years. The collection certainy rivals, and indeed surpasses, that of many reigning houses. It is one of the collections with jewels of Russian provenance in the collection, going back to the marriage of Grand Duchess Olga Nicholaievna to King Charles of Wurttemberg.

Anyway, since the family didn't have to 'flee', it was able to hold on to its jewel collection. I guess state jewels and personal jewels were differentiated by whose fudns were used to pay for the jewels at the time of purchase/order.

And yes, to the best of my knowledge the family can borrow jewels. Although I'm not sure when they last did (if ever).
 
The Thurn-und-Taxis Princely family has a rather large collection, and at one time one of the most intreging around. Even after alot of them were auctioned by Gloria... When her son Albert marries one day, his future Princess will most defanitly have a nice collection of Royal Jewels to choose from and I hope that she chooses to wear them often..... :)
 
Originally posted by chanel@May 6th, 2004 - 7:10 pm
The Thurn-und-Taxis Princely family has a rather large collection, and at one time one of the most intreging around. Even after alot of them were auctioned by Gloria... When her son Albert marries one day, his future Princess will most defanitly have a nice collection of Royal Jewels to choose from and I hope that she chooses to wear them often..... :)
Yes, they do have a large collection. I refrained from adding them in as they weren't really a reigning family. But I guess they still qualify as noble or formerly noble.
 
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I thought they did, as they were Prince/Furst
Not really. I guess it depends on what you consider reigning. They were Princes of the Holy Roman Empire by virtue of being hereditary postmasters. The 4th Prince) purchased some territory in 1774, and became the Princely-Count of these territories. However, they were lost at the Peace of Luneville in 1801. The family (the senior line) was compensated with some ecclesiastical territory by the Holy Roman Emperor in 1803, but the family was mediatized in 1806.
 
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I hate to sound stupid, but what does "Mediatized" mean? I've heard the term many times, but I honestly don't know what it means.

Thanks
 
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Fireweaver said:
I hate to sound stupid, but what does "Mediatized" mean? I've heard the term many times, but I honestly don't know what it means.Thanks
You don't sound stupid! It's not an everyday term after all, and thus your is a very good question.

Mediatized stems from the word "media", which means "between". To put it simply, it referred to the downgrading of a feudal ruler so that he was no longer the direct vassal of the Holy Roman Emperor, and that there was now someone "between" them. Thus the relationship between the feudal ruler and the Emperor was no longer im-*mediate*.

Rather, by being mediatized a prince/noblemen now owed allegience to another, more senior Prince (Duke, Grand Duke, King, etc.) who, in turn was the vassal (technically) of the Emperor. This was referred to as being mediatized.

I hope that's clear enough?
 
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Yes, that helps a lot as I had NO idea what the term meant.

Thanks!!! :rolleyes:
 
in recent times, and based from the photos in the other threads, the royal house of brunei has one EXTREMELY VAST collection :D
 
I imagine some of the Arab, especially the Saudis, families have huge collections, they won't be as historic as some of the European or Indian collections but they will be huge nonetheless. The only main thing is that we the people, will never see them.
 
The Royal House of Brunei probably has the largest and most valuable collection in the world, given their great wealth and fondness of collecting priceless jewels. No one really knows what the Saudi royal princesses have since they are rarely, if ever, seen in public, but given the many millions they spend each year on them, it's probably a close second.
 
"No one really knows what the Saudi royal princesses have since they are rarely, if ever, seen in public, but given the many millions they spend each year on them, it's probably a close second."

Very true, my uncle used to work as a doctor in Saudi Arabia and was hired as a private physician for a Saudi prince and his family. The stories he would recount when it came to jewellery were just amazing. The women would travel to London on their shopping trips and spend millions on jewels.
 
My guess that it would be the House of Windsor. Any other thoughts?
 
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Are we only including extant royal houses? I remember in turkey at the museum where their royal jewels are exhibited, the docent talked about the Turkish Jewels being the most valuable in the world. Of course, I'm sure she was not impartial!:)
 
I thought the Shah of Iran (though they are not currently ruling) had a most wonderful collection...
 
To me, I love the British and Swedish jewels. Absolutely amazing.
 
The Russian Imperial Jewels, which I guess a lot of them belong to the British now. The French and Spanish Jewels are nice too.
 
My favorites are French (which are unfortunately in musem) British and Swedish :)
 
The Dutch!

Their collection of Tiaras is gorgeous!
The best is that many of the Dutch Tiaras are still in use!
We see Queen Beatrix and Princess Margriet with so many different tiaras. And just have a look at Princess Máxima! Compare her number of worn Tiaras with the one of the other european princesses!
She definitely has a great choice! :flowers:
 
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