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Old 11-20-2016, 03:36 AM
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I am amazed about the criticism on Princess Sofia. I have seen bad diadem placements. I have seen poor hairdoes. I have never filed Princess Sofia in that category.

Princess Sofia on her wedding day

Princess Sofia at the Nobel Prize 2015

And indeed: one with hanging hair (but not distracting in my opinion)

Princess Sofia's official portrait
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Old 11-20-2016, 03:43 AM
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I am amazed about the criticism on Princess Sofia. I have seen bad diadem placements. I have seen poor hairdoes. I have never filed Princess Sofia in that category.

Princess Sofia on her wedding day

Princess Sofia at the Nobel Prize 2015

And indeed: one with hanging hair (but not distracting in my opinion)

Princess Sofia's official portrait
It isn't really bad. But somehow the diadem is placed strange andit lookd akwardly and not as good and elegant as we are are used too see on the other swedish royal laides.
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Old 11-20-2016, 09:50 AM
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Apparently she insists on her own haistylist (an frienjd i believe) insteed of using the one the Queen and her sister-in-laws use and who knows how to place the diadems properly. I think it only need to be placed a bit different perhaps a little bit back.
In the case of Mette-Marit the Problem is that she places her tiaras always very much back and specially the diamond bandeau then becomes almost unnoticeabel as it uses the blend in with her hair. I always thought it would look much better on dark hair.
Interesting. I didn't know that about her friend. Vickan needs to take one or both of them aside and explain how tiara wearing needs to look. When you can look at all 4 events and see a crooked tiara, something needs to be changed. Everyone has a bad night every once in a while (just think Maxima in Japan), but there's no excuse for every event to be a misstep.

I agree about MM. She's placing the bandeau way too far back. I wonder if it bothers her head? I know she's had neck problems, so I wonder if the tiaras are causing her issue?

As for Sofia, I'm not going to keep repeating myself Duc. If you think she's above reproach, fine. But I don't. I posted photos that clearly show her tiaras are crooked. The tiara could really benefit from a style like Marie of Denmark has been known to wear, even if only to switch it up. I'd like to see more of the hair from her wedding and less of this loose hair she's done in the three events since then.

And this is the last I'm going to say about it because I'm just repeating myself.
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Old 11-20-2016, 10:59 AM
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Sofia's hairdos are done by celebrity hairdresser Marwan "Marre" Hitti, Sofia's friend whom she got to know when they were at TV-soap opera Paradise Hotel together in 2005. Queen Silvia's and the royal court's hairdressers are Peter Hägelstam and Johan Hellström. Victoria uses often hair stylist Peter Andersson, who started to do Victoria's hairdos before her wedding and made her wedding hairdo.
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Old 11-20-2016, 12:38 PM
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I'm working on new tiara posts and I noticed that it appears no one has worn Queen Josephine's Amethyst Tiara since Victoria did in 2013. I'd love to see Sofia try it, particularly if she wears it like Madeleine did in 2012. Or, I'd love to see Madeleine wear it again.

For the Nobel, this is what I'd love to see:
Silvia: Cameo
Victoria: Lilian's Laurel Wreath
Madeleine: Connaught
Sofia: Amethyst

What I expect:
Silvia: Sapphire
Victoria: Baden
Madeleine: Modern Fringe
Sofia: Emerald

I'd take either of the Cut Steels, if only so we get a little bit of variety this year from the normal showings.
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Imagine if they would all wear something they haven't worn before.

For example

The Queen : Princess Lilians Tiara

The Crown Princess : Connaught Ruby Tiara

Princess Sofia : Amethyst Tiara

Princess Madeleine : Napoleonic Cut Steel Tiara

It won't happen (maybe PS will do the amethyst but QS, CPV and PM won't wear those tiaras) but admit it would have been interesting
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Old 11-20-2016, 06:16 PM
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Imagine if they would all wear something they haven't worn before.

For example

The Queen : Princess Lilians Tiara

The Crown Princess : Connaught Ruby Tiara

Princess Sofia : Amethyst Tiara

Princess Madeleine : Napoleonic Cut Steel Tiara

It won't happen (maybe PS will do the amethyst but QS, CPV and PM won't wear those tiaras) but admit it would have been interesting
Isn't there also supposedly one or two tiaras hiding in the royal family too? Maybe we'll get to see one of those, lol.

Would love to see Madeleine try either of the Cut Steel tiaras. I bet she could do something lovely with her hair for either one.
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Old 11-20-2016, 06:55 PM
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Isn't there also supposedly one or two tiaras hiding in the royal family too? Maybe we'll get to see one of those, lol.
There is always rumours about "dissapeared" jewels hiding in that mysterious vault deep below the Royal Palace :-p

They have showed us on a few occassions that the rumours might not be totally wrong. For example when Victoria showed up in the small Cut Steel tiara in Luxembourg, not seen before that and when Silvia recently wore the large baden brooch in Germany, not seen since the days on Queen Victoria.
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Old 11-20-2016, 09:16 PM
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Imagine if they would all wear something they haven't worn before.

For example

The Queen : Princess Lilians Tiara

The Crown Princess : Connaught Ruby Tiara

Princess Sofia : Amethyst Tiara

Princess Madeleine : Napoleonic Cut Steel Tiara

It won't happen (maybe PS will do the amethyst but QS, CPV and PM won't wear those tiaras) but admit it would have been interesting
Princess Lilian's is not likely to be seen on anyone but Victoria. Unlike most of he tiaras, it is a privately owned piece (like the modern fringe sbd the kokoshnik). Madeleine has been leant both the others, possibly given the fringe by her ,mother. But it us different, for a mother or sent to pass fiend the tiara to Madeleine. I don't see Victoria lending her mother her persons. Tiara. It was a private gift to her from her beloved aunt. It would be almost like Sofia, Madeleine or Victoria sharing their starter tiaras. I don't see Victoria or Madeleine ever in Sofia wedding tiara.
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Old 11-20-2016, 10:09 PM
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Princess Lilian's is not likely to be seen on anyone but Victoria. Unlike most of he tiaras, it is a privately owned piece (like the modern fringe sbd the kokoshnik). Madeleine has been leant both the others, possibly given the fringe by her ,mother. But it us different, for a mother or sent to pass fiend the tiara to Madeleine. I don't see Victoria lending her mother her persons. Tiara. It was a private gift to her from her beloved aunt. It would be almost like Sofia, Madeleine or Victoria sharing their starter tiaras. I don't see Victoria or Madeleine ever in Sofia wedding tiara.
idk. They were all quite close to Lilian, perhaps Silvia most of all. Silvia did lend, almost exclusively, her own anniversary tiara to Madeleine, so I don't think it's completely far fetched to imagine a scenario where we might see Silvia in the Laurel Wreath Tiara. Unlikely, yes, but still possible. The Swede's aren't stingy with sharing their tiaras like some.

And didn't Lilian's will speak of two tiaras? While I can understand why Lilian left them to Victoria (she's the heir, her children will be the children of the Queen), I don't think that automatically means Vickan will never share them with her mother or Madeleine.

But, only time will tell. It is fun to imagine though
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Old 11-21-2016, 09:52 AM
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As i clearly wrote, it is an unlikely scenario.

But you'll never know what the future holds.
Silvia, Victoria and Madeleine share some tiaras.
And Princess Lilian shared the 6-button tiara (wich was created for her) and the Baden fringe tiara with Crown Princess Victoria.
The Swedish royal ladies are not as strict as they are in Denmark.

I would say that even though they were all very close to Princess Lilian, Silvia was the closest. They was like mother and daughter, even more so after Silvias parents died. She inherited the Egyptian Scarab Necklace and a lot of money. Victoria probably got the tiara both as a personal gift but also to ensure that the tiara would be in the main line of the Royal family.
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Old 11-21-2016, 11:10 AM
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The Swedish royal ladies are not as strict as they are in Denmark.....
Queen Ingrid was very generous with her jewels to other members of her family she even let Princess Margaretha of Denmark wear the Danish Pearl Poire Tiara at the coronation of Queen Elizabeth II in 1952 and allowed her niece Princess Margaretha of Sweden, Mrs. Ambler and Princess Margaretha of Denmark to wear the Khedive tiara maybe she got her generosity from being a swedish princess .
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Old 11-21-2016, 11:39 AM
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As i clearly wrote, it is an unlikely scenario.

But you'll never know what the future holds.
Silvia, Victoria and Madeleine share some tiaras.
And Princess Lilian shared the 6-button tiara (wich was created for her) and the Baden fringe tiara with Crown Princess Victoria.
The Swedish royal ladies are not as strict as they are in Denmark.

I would say that even though they were all very close to Princess Lilian, Silvia was the closest. They was like mother and daughter, even more so after Silvias parents died. She inherited the Egyptian Scarab Necklace and a lot of money. Victoria probably got the tiara both as a personal gift but also to ensure that the tiara would be in the main line of the Royal family.
Never say never! But I think that the higher up a lady is in the hierarchy, the less likely she is to borrow a tiara. So I don't see the Queen borrowing the laurel tiara.

Although the 6-buttons tiara was created for Lilian to use, she didn't own it. The buttons and diamonds always belonged to the Bernadotte foundation, afaik. Princess Lilian owned the laurel tiara, and we know that she didn't share that one with anybody.

I really hope that Sofia will try out a second tiara. I'm always fond of variety, and it will be good to see her vary her tiaras. But I think that she will start out with something smaller and leave the fairly large amethyst circlet for later. The 4-buttons wouldn't surprise me, it seems like the tiara which every junior member of the family has to do at least once. So let's get over and done with it.
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Old 11-21-2016, 12:17 PM
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As i clearly wrote, it is an unlikely scenario.

But you'll never know what the future holds.
Silvia, Victoria and Madeleine share some tiaras.
And Princess Lilian shared the 6-button tiara (wich was created for her) and the Baden fringe tiara with Crown Princess Victoria.
The Swedish royal ladies are not as strict as they are in Denmark.

I would say that even though they were all very close to Princess Lilian, Silvia was the closest. They was like mother and daughter, even more so after Silvias parents died. She inherited the Egyptian Scarab Necklace and a lot of money. Victoria probably got the tiara both as a personal gift but also to ensure that the tiara would be in the main line of the Royal family.
There is a difference. The Swedish have two types of tiaras. They have the ones owned by the foundation. These can be worn by any royal lady. Though the sux button was created for Lilian, it was owned by the foundation. The one exception are the tiaras like the sapphire which are reserved hit the queen.

On the other hand you have the private owned ones. The kokoshnik and modern fringe are among them. Silvia seems to have given Madeleine her tiara, which is common enough for jewels to pass mother to daughter or fish a generation. The laurel was owned sbd only ever Worn by Lilian. On her passing she left jewels to everyone. Silvia and Madeleine both inherited several pieces. Jus like I don't see Victoria wearing the aquamarine jewels Madeleine was given, I don't see Victoria lending her tiara, other than Estelle when older. It would be the same as Madeleine, Victoria or Sofia lending their starter tiaras which is even more unlikely.
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I know the difference. I know that the 6-button tiara belongs to the family foundation and was created by buttons from the kings crown that had earlier belonged to Queen Lovisa Ulrika.

I was just giving some examples of sharing of tiaras. Princess Margaretha Mrs Ambler is still the owner of the Aquamarine Kokoshnik but we have seen it on both Princess Christina Mrs Magnuson and Princess Madeleine.
The Laurel Wreath Tiara belonged to Prince Bertil wich he had inherited from his mother. He apprently left it to Lilian upon his death with the intention that it should stay with the main Royal family. Thus Victoria was the natural choice.

And apprently, to even mention Princess Sofia's name is still a very sinsble matter for some people.......

I am Swedish and have followed the Royal family very closely through my whole life so i know what i am talking about when it comes to the swedes. I was just thinking loud and experimenting with my thoughts. I wasn't talking about likely scenarios.
Thought it was obvious for everyone but apprently not.........
I am leaving this discussion now and looking forward to the Nobel Festivities instead :)
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Old 11-21-2016, 02:18 PM
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I really hope that Sofia will try out a second tiara. I'm always fond of variety, and it will be good to see her vary her tiaras. But I think that she will start out with something smaller and leave the fairly large amethyst circlet for later. The 4-buttons wouldn't surprise me, it seems like the tiara which every junior member of the family has to do at least once. So let's get over and done with it.
She will likely wear both the button tiaras and the amethyst sometime. Princess Lilian as far as i know never wore the 4-button so there is some hope that Sofia might escape it :-D

If Victoria comes to the throne before Princess Estelle has turned 18 or while she is a young tiara wearer, Sofia will likely wear the baden fringe tiara or the Cut Steel tiara too.
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I know the difference. I know that the 6-button tiara belongs to the family foundation and was created by buttons from the kings crown that had earlier belonged to Queen Lovisa Ulrika.

I was just giving some examples of sharing of tiaras. Princess Margaretha Mrs Ambler is still the owner of the Aquamarine Kokoshnik but we have seen it on both Princess Christina Mrs Magnuson and Princess Madeleine.
The Laurel Wreath Tiara belonged to Prince Bertil wich he had inherited from his mother. He apprently left it to Lilian upon his death with the intention that it should stay with the main Royal family. Thus Victoria was the natural choice.

And apprently, to even mention Princess Sofia's name is still a very sinsble matter for some people.......

I am Swedish and have followed the Royal family very closely through my whole life so i know what i am talking about when it comes to the swedes. I was just thinking loud and experimenting with my thoughts. I wasn't talking about likely scenarios.
Thought it was obvious for everyone but apprently not.........
I am leaving this discussion now and looking forward to the Nobel Festivities instead :)
Excuse me but where did I bring up Sofia or make it a sin you suggested Victoria would lend her Mother the tiara. Nothing about Sofia wearing it. Why you get yet panties twisted over Sofia when she was never brought up is beyond me. The only mention of if is by me was comparing her loaning her wedding tiara to say Madeleine, to Victoria loaning her personal tiara to someone.

Bertil gave his wife the tiara. It was hers to do either as she chose. If he intended it to return to the main family, it would have been given to the foundation. It wasn't. It was given as a private gift yo her beloved niece and can be done either as she sees fit. And there us a difference between an older generation lending jewels down then the other way. Can you imagine Kate lending jewels to Camilla or the queen
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She will likely wear both the button tiaras and the amethyst sometime. Princess Lilian as far as i know never wore the 4-button so there is some hope that Sofia might escape it :-D

If Victoria comes to the throne before Princess Estelle has turned 18 or while she is a young tiara wearer, Sofia will likely wear the baden fringe tiara or the Cut Steel tiara too.
Princess Lilian has worn the 4-buttons at least once. I have seen pics of her wearing years back, when Prince Bertil was still alive. So here is to your hope... But well, there is always a chance. At least Queen Silvia didn't try this one. I even think the the 4B can look quite nice with the right hairstyle. The hair needs some volume to gift the buttons a floating effect. Unfortunately, Sofia's hair is as straight as Victoria's.

It seems that Victoria and Madeleine share some tiaras, but not all. They have never shared their first tiaras, the small sapphire and the aquamarine bandeau, nor the fringes or the cut steels. We don't know if this is due to personal preferences or if there was a decision to divide some tiaras between them.
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Bertil gave his wife the tiara. It was hers to do either as she chose. If he intended it to return to the main family, it would have been given to the foundation. It wasn't. It was given as a private gift yo her beloved niece and can be done either as she sees fit. And there us a difference between an older generation lending jewels down then the other way. Can you imagine Kate lending jewels to Camilla or the queen
The laurel wreath tiara was Bertils, not Lilians and it was his trough his whole life. It did never belong to the Royal family or anyone else. After his death Lilian inherited it. She wasn't given it in a testament.
It was always his and Lilians goal that his mothers jewels should stay in the main line of the Royal Family and they have.
Ofcourse he could have testamented it to the Bernadotte Foundation or even worse to the King and taken away the opportunity from his wife to ever wear it again if he wanted to snub her.....

And btw Kate can't lend any tiara to QEII or Camilla because she doesn't have any private tiara......
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Princess Lilian has worn the 4-buttons at least once. I have seen pics of her wearing years back, when Prince Bertil was still alive. So here is to your hope... But well, there is always a chance. At least Queen Silvia didn't try this one. I even think the the 4B can look quite nice with the right hairstyle. The hair needs some volume to gift the buttons a floating effect. Unfortunately, Sofia's hair is as straight as Victoria's.

It seems that Victoria and Madeleine share some tiaras, but not all. They have never shared their first tiaras, the small sapphire and the aquamarine bandeau, nor the fringes or the cut steels. We don't know if this is due to personal preferences or if there was a decision to divide some tiaras between them.
I belive you but i would like to see a picture of that because i have seen tons of pictures of Lilian in a tiara and as far as i remember it's been the Nine Prong Tiara, Laurel Wreath Tiara, 6-button Tiara, Baden Fringe Tiara, Napoleonic Cut Steel Tiara and the Connaught Diamond Tiara.

V and M have shared the buttons and the amethyst. V has also worn the modern fringe tiara as a necklace but that's all i think.
The small sapphire tiara V got on her 18:th birthday was new i belive, wasn't it ?
Madeleines Aquamarine bandeau is from Queen Louise and have been used by the aunts when they were young (and Christina on the Kings 70:th birthday)

Though they have shared a few tiaras with their aunts. Peobably out of respect as their aunts wore the tiaras long before V and M were even born.
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