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Old 04-07-2007, 01:46 PM
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Sorry, it isn't

Dear Warren,

I came across this particularly ostentatious toy in a book on Cartier, naturally, entitled Cartier. It certainly fit the style of the early part of the 20th century. It was a jeweled, in the case I saw, diamond chain with a different pendant at each end of the chain, I cannot for the life of me imagine how anybody would wear the thing. By the way the good Queen Marie's rocks certainly are massive, aren't they. they should have paid for many years of living in exile. Isn't it amazing the number of countries that would have been so much better off if they had not gotten rid of their monarchies, not endured the horrors that came afterward and simply left things as they were. Let us see, Russia, Germany, Yugoslavia, Rumania, Bulgaria, Iraq, Iran and on and on it goes. Cheers.
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Old 04-13-2007, 03:22 AM
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Well, and then there are the countries that have done just fine, like Turkey. The end of a style of government always seems to come about at the same time as turmoil and hardship.

Your Cartier double-pendant necklace sounds interesting. Who authored the book in qeustion?
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Old 04-16-2007, 02:49 PM
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Dear Prince of Chota,

I have found the book!!!! You must understand that librarians have this peculiar mental disease, an addiction to books. We get high on books. Wandering the the closed stacks of a massive library -chortling with glee at getting away with it, no less-and then in the midst of all these massive amounts of goodies, to find the BOOK!!!!.

Between this, cholcolte and Mozart-Beethoven, it is almost more than my weak, frail and decripit frame can endure. But I will march on. The book in question is: "Cartier: Jewelers Extraordinary" by Hans Nadelhoffer. It was published by Harry N. Abrams, NY, NY and printed in the Netherlands. The ISBN is 0-8109-0770-4. c. 1984. On page 57 is an item labeled 'echarpe' which is described as a diamond echarpe in circular and pear shaped diamonds. commissioned by Mrs. W. K. Vanderbilt in 1910. It is a set of two pendents attached to a diamond patterned chain with pendent diamonds attached. I suppose it to be somekind of stomacher or some such. I have never seen anything like it. And wondered if the members knew anything about such a type of jewelry.

I would also have sent this to you via private mail but being a computer mongoloid, as Warren and co. can well attest, I do not know how.
Now maybe I can give all the members a few sleepless nights as we rummage about a real mystery. Cheers.
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Old 04-17-2007, 04:23 AM
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But Thomas, it's not Royal (or Noble) or of Royal provenace, and therefore not relevant to the Royal Jewels Forum.
We have to draw the line somewhere, and when in the past this rule was relaxed, we were overrun with a collection of Hollywood bric-a-brac, good, bad and indifferent.

Sorry, but it has to be Royal Jewels only to protect us from the likes of Britney Spears and Paris Hilton, with no exceptions for non-Royal Vanderbilts.
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Old 04-17-2007, 11:36 AM
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But my question, Dear Warren, was had anybody seen anything like this contaption on any of the royals anywhere. In other words was it some exotic and unique form of jewelry or was it some subspecies of which only a few rare and interesting and possibly royal examples existed. as for keeping out the Brittany Spears et al (whoever she is), along with the Vanderbilts, I could not agree with you more. Cheers.
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Old 05-16-2007, 07:48 PM
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Well, Warren, with regard to escharpes and royalty, since you insist upon the rules, I have reconsulted the book on Cartier and there is a picture in the front of it of the Cartier store front with jewels constructed by the firm for guests at the wedding of Princess Marie Bonaparte in 1910 and among the goodies, which included a marvelous diamond olive wreath with emerald olive berries was the picture of an escharpe. Lovely.

As for my latest photoshopping idea, dear members, could somebody get an uptodate picture of the honeysuckle tiara and go back and get a picture from Fields book on the queen's jewels and find where Mary is wearing it with a sapphire centerpiece and cut, glue and paste and recolour the black and white sapphire so we could see what the marvelous contraption would look like with the sapphire in it. You would contribute greatly to my happiness and Warren would then be able to pray that this obnoxious pest would get off his back. Cheers.
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Old 05-17-2007, 12:07 AM
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I'm going to have to look for that book. Somehow a necklace being called a scarf is rather interesting, and it might look funny to photoshop that onto one of the various crown princesses along with that horrid gold parure of Queen Margrethe's.
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Old 05-17-2007, 06:25 AM
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As for my latest photoshopping idea, dear members, could somebody get an uptodate picture of the honeysuckle tiara and go back and get a picture from Fields book on the queen's jewels and find where Mary is wearing it with a sapphire centerpiece and cut, glue and paste and recolour the black and white sapphire so we could see what the marvelous contraption would look like with the sapphire in it.
You give me a photo, I'll see what I can do
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Old 05-31-2007, 07:16 PM
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But, Lady K, oh radiant and divine one, supremely talented, capable and gifted, I am a comupter mongoloid. I can hardly operate the contraption to find my way here and as anybody can attest I cannot spell and I just babble on. There is in the Bible a series of magnificent pictures in black and white. There is in recent issues of Majesty magazine a pictures of the glorious Duchess of Glouchester wearing the contraption with that kunzite thing, now if it were a pink diamond I might not complain as much.

I will have to go back to Leslie Fields boook and see if I can find a picture of the formidable Queen Mary wearing the contraption with the sapphire. However for the life of me I have not a clue as to how to lift them from those books, get them onto a computer, get the screen onto Royal Forums and then either post them or mail them to you. You will kindly notice that I have actually written a whole sentence without a misspelled word or a typo. The strain has been enormous. I must now go and have some chocolate to restore my shattered nerves. Cheers.

PS if you would give me the instructions on how to do so, I would gladly try. But be forewarned that I might end of inadvertently blowing up the Royal Forums or even Warren's barn of goodies. What was that saying about good intentions??????
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Old 05-31-2007, 10:21 PM
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Thomas, in order to get a picture from a book online you need to scan it. Do you have access to a scanner? If so, do the following:


1. Scan the picture. It's like taking a photocopy, in terms of how you'd go about doing it.

2. Once the image is saved on to the hard drive of the computer attached to the scanner, go to imageshack.us and upload the photo.

3. Post the direct link to the photo here, and do all the credit stuff underneath it so people know where the picture came from.
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Old 06-01-2007, 03:06 PM
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Dear Sister Morphine of the Lovely Name, Scanner and Computer have I none. I go to libraries, ie four, where I am the street person in residence and make a nuisance of myself. When I sense that the powers that be are becoming aweary of my charming albeit loggorhaeic self, I vamoose. I shall however try to find the citations so that some brave souls can venture where I dare not or cannot tread. Thank you for the kind instructions but the havoc I might wreck with such equipment and the violations of the rules would cause
Warren, the long suffering, and
SHE WHO MUST BE OBEYED to wax wrathful and we do not want that. Cheers.
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Old 06-02-2007, 12:01 PM
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Thomas, how do you make a nuisance of yourself in the libraries? Do you dare to ask about books, or do you use too many words in the asking?
 logorrhea: an excessive flow of words. In Australia, we'd say 'long-winded'.
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Old 06-03-2007, 03:46 PM
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DeaR Warren,

Both. I just start to babble and then I hit them up for chocolate. It is amazing the number of people who will hand over the goods without batting an eyelash, possibly to shut me up or to watch me go into spasms of delight. They have even let me loose in closed stacks, which for a biblioholic such as myself is almost more than flesh and blood can bare. But back to business.

As regards the request of the noble and most radiant Lady K, would you or could you, most noble and long suffering Warren -yes, I know I am abusing you and taking advantage of you brutally-AGAIN-but could you find a picture in your vast barn of goodies of the sapphire brooch given to Princess Margaret by Queen Mary from the honeysuckle parure. I have figured out, should you find such a picture how the n and mr Lady K could photoshop the Honeysuckle tiara and replace the sapphire in it.
1. Go to the Duchess of Gloucester thread and find a wonderful picture of the marvelous D in all her glory and 2 cut, paste and glue a copy of the sapphire from the PM brooch in the center panel and color it up and voila, there it is.

There is flat disagreement between Leslie Field and Geoffrey Munn about the honeysuckle tiara. She says it came from the Empress Marie when Queen Mary bought so many of her jewels and Munn says it was comissioned by Queen Mary from Garrard (??) and has had four different center pieces it would seem. A diamond pattern, a kunzite, an emerald and a sapphire, the sapphire being given and turned into a brooch either for or by Princess Margaret. So there you are an interesting and complicated but beautiful piece of jewelry. I can only conclude by quoting myself:

As for the honeysuckle tiara I can only say I stick to my original opinion of it. While the diamond thinge in the center is fine-the thing is truly something beyond words- the kunzite (now what on earth is that???) and the emerald really are misplaced. I wish they had just left the original sapphire in place and left well enough alone but it is a magnificent goodie indeed. As for the rest of her jewelry, I can only ask where is her bank vault and how do you break in? The police would find me in the morning sitting in front of all these luscious goodies stunned into a babbling and in a rapture of delight. They would cart me off to a home, but no matter, I would be HAPPY. Cheers.

Cheers. Thomas Parkman
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and the violations of the rules would cause
Warren, the long suffering, and SHE WHO MUST BE OBEYED to wax wrathful Cheers.
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As regards the request of the noble and most radiant Lady K, ... mr Lady K could photoshop the Honeysuckle tiara and replace the sapphire in it.
That's Ms. LadyK, Thomas.

Although I can deal with "the noble and most radiant".
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There is flat disagreement between Leslie Field and Geoffrey Munn about the honeysuckle tiara. She says it came from the Empress Marie when Queen Mary bought so many of her jewels and Munn says it was comissioned by Queen Mary from Garrard (??) and has had four different center pieces it would seem. A diamond pattern, a kunzite, an emerald and a sapphire, the sapphire being given and turned into a brooch either for or by Princess Margaret.
Given Mr Munns "hands on" experience in the field & the access he was given both for the Wartski exhibition at the V&A and for his stupendous tome, I think we can be pretty certain that he is correct. Whilst Fields book was more correct than Menkes there were still some inaccuracies & presumptions especially when it came to jewels that were no longer with HM but with junior branches of the family.
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Old 06-04-2007, 06:58 PM
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Oh Lady K, most noble and radiant, the mr is not Mr. it is an abbreviation for most radiant. the n is for noble. another example of my feeble and demented attempts at humour, although the response of SHE WHO MUST BE OBEYED is hilarious. Cheers.

PS. I have looked for the sapphire brooch and cannot for the life of me find it. I have been trying to find the website that deals with the different members of the BRF but to no avail. If I could just find that most elusive of brooches.
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Thomas, if you abbreviate noble and most radiant to n&mr or even N&MR, it won't look as though you've given poor LadyK a sex change.
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Old 06-05-2007, 11:29 AM
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I must confess, dear members and Elspeth most noble, that the technique of using letters to abbreviate words in such a fashion is not original with me at all. Very little actually is. Except the quality of my plagiarism, of course. I steal only quality.

The use of of abbreviations for n and mr for noble and most radiant-no sex change intended, believe me- a thousand groveling apologies-is lifted straight from P. G. Wodehouse and his Bertie Wooster books. If you have not read about Jeeves and BW you have not lived. Hie thee to the nearest book store or library and plunge in. It will be worth the effort. They are hilarious and have helped me through many a bad night. Cheers.
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PS. I have looked for the sapphire brooch and cannot for the life of me find it. I have been trying to find the website that deals with the different members of the BRF but to no avail. If I could just find that most elusive of brooches.
Hi - hope I'm not intruding but are you seeking the sapphire brooch "as" a brooch or as worn in the honeysuckle tiara? Not sure I've seen it as a brooch alone, but I think I may be able to find a picture of it in the tiara, if that's what you desire...?
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