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Old 04-04-2008, 07:03 AM
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i might be difficult, but IMO the jewels belong back to India...
Why? They were gifts of no "official" significance to India.
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Old 04-06-2008, 03:54 PM
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was just my opinion... Britain has enough jewels...
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Old 04-06-2008, 05:21 PM
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No, no, dear Lady, Britain does not have enough jewels. Nobody, even Imperial Russia, had enough jewels. The more jewels the merrier. Besides a major complaint, albeit a trivial one, is that Queen Elizabeth wears only a small number of the tiaras and other wondrous and toothsome objects in her most royal possession and leaves other delights just shut away in the cold, dark, dank and dreary vaults which are supposedly under Buckingham Palace. If some kind soul would send me the directions I would fly over to Londan and rent a room on the ground floor near the Palace and buy a shovel on the order of the Red Haired League of Conan Doyle and dig away. After all what she does not use she could not possibly miss. And I could then post pictures of these unloved goodies on the RF. But nobody ever has enough jewels. And diamonds are everybody's best friend. Cheers.
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Old 04-29-2008, 07:29 PM
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Art treasures, and similarly jewels, are some of the best ambassadors a country has. The Anglo-Indian jewels were GIVEN to the British royal family, and accordingly there is no need to return them. Besides, at least someone is wearing them. If they were returned, they'd just be gathering dust in some Delhi museum, like the Napoleonic jewels in the Smithsonian in the United States.
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Stolen Jewels

It is sad that I have to say this, but I would think that it should have been understood and done long time ago! Most of the British and Persian Jewels are stolen diamonds and goods from india and its temples (for ex: Darya-e-noor, kohinoor, the hope diamond, etc), I and many indians personally feel that it should be returned. < ed Warren >
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i am gussing that princess christina of sweden jewllery theft can include in this thread.
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There was an argument between the Swedish king and his uncle Prince Sigvard regarding a ruby tiara that Sigvard felt belonged to him.
This is how I have understood the conflict. Sigvard needed money when he married and lost his title and sold most of the jewels he had inherited from his mother. The diadem however he pawned by his father in hope that he later would be able to pay back the loan. The king understood it as if he had bought the tiara but he let his son borrow it sometimes for his wife to wear. When the king died he left the tiara to Sigvard's son who later soled it to king Carl Gustav. Sigvard thought the transaction was wrong since he and not his son was the owner of the diadem.
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In Matriarch, Anne Edwards wrote: The Queen had heard through a Lady-in-Waiting that for Christmas he (Edward) had given Mrs. Simpson jewels valued at over 50,000 pounds, including several pieces that had been in the Royal Family for generations.

This Christmas was in 1935. Is this true that Prince Edward gave Wallis any Royal Jewels?
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Old 04-16-2018, 07:49 AM
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In Matriarch, Anne Edwards wrote: The Queen had heard through a Lady-in-Waiting that for Christmas he (Edward) had given Mrs. Simpson jewels valued at over 50,000 pounds, including several pieces that had been in the Royal Family for generations.

This Christmas was in 1935. Is this true that Prince Edward gave Wallis any Royal Jewels?
Maybe someone told Queen Mary this back in the 1930s but history has not borne this out. Edward did lavish Wallis with jewels both before and after the abdication, but he purchased them from jewelers. If he gave her any jewels from the royal vaults, and I recall reading something like that, IMO it was not several and I doubt if the jewels went back generations. A possibility is that Edward was gifted jewels on one of his tours and those jewels were incorporated into gifts for Wallis.
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What about loose stones that had been deposited in the vaults, jewels like diamonds from various tours made by past Kings, loose gemstones, pearls, presented to Queen Victoria and so on?
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Old 04-16-2018, 08:36 AM
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From what I can see in pictures of the Duchess of Windsor with jewels, it are all contemporary pieces by contemporary firms. The Duchess had an avantgardistic taste in jewels which is hardly detectable in the current British collection.
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Old 04-16-2018, 09:42 AM
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What about loose stones that had been deposited in the vaults, jewels like diamonds from various tours made by past Kings, loose gemstones, pearls, presented to Queen Victoria and so on?
I think that it is possible that he could have nicked a loose stone or two, but just not to the order of magnitude being described. I don't think that Edward could have raided the coffers prior to becoming King, come on can you really imagine Mary of Teck allowing that! The story that someone told Queen Mary may have been true, but I doubt if Edward VIII actually had the access to the jewels in order to commit the offense.

Also if the Duchess had pieces that had Victorian or other connections, I think that would have come out, her jewels often had their own biographies.
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No, no, dear Lady, Britain does not have enough jewels. Nobody, even Imperial Russia, had enough jewels. The more jewels the merrier. Besides a major complaint, albeit a trivial one, is that Queen Elizabeth wears only a small number of the tiaras and other wondrous and toothsome objects in her most royal possession and leaves other delights just shut away in the cold, dark, dank and dreary vaults which are supposedly under Buckingham Palace. If some kind soul would send me the directions I would fly over to Londan and rent a room on the ground floor near the Palace and buy a shovel on the order of the Red Haired League of Conan Doyle and dig away. After all what she does not use she could not possibly miss. And I could then post pictures of these unloved goodies on the RF. But nobody ever has enough jewels. And diamonds are everybody's best friend. Cheers.
Agreed! Well said.
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A diamond tiara that used to belong to the Dukes of Portland has been stolen:


https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-new...amond-13631054

The tiara was made in 1902 by Cartier. A diamond brooch was also stolen. The jewels were displayed in Welbeck Abbey, which belonged to the dukes of Portland where William Parente, Prince di Castel Viscardo - a grandson of the last duke- resides.

Let's hope they will find the piece before it is dismantled by the thieves. What a loss!
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A diamond tiara that used to belong to the Dukes of Portland has been stolen:


https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-new...amond-13631054

The tiara was made in 1902 by Cartier. A diamond brooch was also stolen. The jewels were displayed in Welbeck Abbey, which belonged to the dukes of Portland where William Parente, Prince di Castel Viscardo - a grandson of the last duke- resides.

Let's hope they will find the piece before it is dismantled by the thieves. What a loss!

It is a beautiful tiara, fit for a queen or a princess. I hope it is recovered and returned undamaged (i.e unbroken and with no missing gems/ elements).
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Old 11-23-2018, 08:28 AM
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As we saw with the Swedish Crown Jewels a few months ago sometimes it's not wise to have such valuable pieces of jewellery on display. Sad though it is, with the way things are now they are better off in a bank vault.
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Old 11-23-2018, 10:23 AM
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Behind alarmed glass.

Can I just point out we have big box stores with schlocky jewelry that sink into vaults at night. And those that don't have large, all but immobile safes. Not that I think we in the US have all the answers, but if we can vault our crummy conflict diamonds worth $129 a pair of earrings () families really do need to start locking up the big gun tiaras.

Such a loss. Maybe they prefer the insurance payoff? Which would be a shame. But a reality of life these days.
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Old 11-23-2018, 10:38 AM
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Given that Wellbeck Abbey houses the massive Portland Collection and the Hartley Gallery which both are open to the public I'm sure that they, as was the case with the funeral regalia (it wasn't the Crown Jewels) in Strängnäs Cathedral, were kept under what was considered adequate security. Unfortunately in both cases this wasn't enough.
What I'm afraid of is that the Parente's goal about displaying their treasures to the public and keeping them up north will be affected by the theft. From what I've read admission is free of charge to encourage people who wouldn't normally go to a museum to visit. It's all very admirable and something that William Parente received an CBE for in 2017 while his wife Allison Swan Parente received an MBE for her work with the School of Artisan food also at the Abbey estate. Both of them have done a tremendous work to keep the estate alive and a part of the local community and it would be a tragedy (yes, a tragedy) if the theft of the tiara would make them reconsider their work.


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Such a loss. Maybe they prefer the insurance payoff? Which would be a shame. But a reality of life these days.
William Parente is one of the biggest landowners in the UK so I'm sure that he can manage without the insurance payment on the tiara.
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Oh no not another theft,lets hope that its recovered!
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Old 11-24-2018, 11:11 AM
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Oh dear,the butler did it,a case for Father Brown I'd say...


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A diamond tiara that used to belong to the Dukes of Portland has been stolen:


https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-new...amond-13631054

The tiara was made in 1902 by Cartier. A diamond brooch was also stolen. The jewels were displayed in Welbeck Abbey, which belonged to the dukes of Portland where William Parente, Prince di Castel Viscardo - a grandson of the last duke- resides.

Let's hope they will find the piece before it is dismantled by the thieves. What a loss!
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