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Old 01-23-2017, 04:50 PM
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I saw the set at the exhibition, it looked even better than on the photo.
It would be nice if the king would by the set but I am not sure if it is for sale.

After the deaths of Jhr. Willem François Clifford de Kocq van Breugel two years ago and his wife Jeanne Bss van Nagell in 2007, their children have been busy trying to preserve the collection and make it accessable to the public. They donated some portraits of Nagell anscestors to the fund Gelderse Kastelen, which placed them in Castle De Schaffelaar. They also donated some family heirlooms to the Nairac museum. If they want to get rid of the jewels, it seems logical that they would approach the RF first.
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Old 01-24-2017, 06:27 AM
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These jewels are simply spectacular indeed. I only wonder about the pearls. I find it an odd combination, as if one has run out of money and used a strand of pearls.

http://www.adelinnederland.nl/wp-con...Paulowna-1.jpg
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Old 01-28-2017, 08:49 AM
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These jewels are simply spectacular indeed. I only wonder about the pearls. I find it an odd combination, as if one has run out of money and used a strand of pearls.

http://www.adelinnederland.nl/wp-con...Paulowna-1.jpg
In addition to this post: the website Adel in Nederland (Nobility in the Netherlands) has an article which shows a portrait with this set of amethysts. As mentioned in the posts above, the amtehysts were given by Queen Anna Pavlovna of the Netherlands to (the daughter of) her Grandmastress, Baroness van Nagell.

See: Op stand aan de wand: barones Van Nagell en de amethisten van Koningin Anna Paulowna. - Adel in Nederland

The lady on the portrait is Simonette Marie Baroness van Nagell née Baroness van Haersolte van Haerst (1914-1990). On the portrait she wore it with more pearl strands, which resulted in a more complete look than on the exhibition. Also an aigrette with amethysts is worn in the hair of the Baroness. Looking to the functions, it is not so strange that Queen Anna was so generous, to give one of her parures:

Christien Jacques Adrien Baron van Nagell (1784-1883), Chamberlain of the King
x Justina Maria Wilhelmina Juckema van Burmania Baroness Rengers (1795-1863), Grandmastress of the Queen
= Justinus Egbert Hendrik Baron van Nagell

Justinus Egbert Hendrik Baron van Nagell (1825-1901), Crown Equerry of the King
x Sophia Barones Schimmelpenninck van der Oye (1828-1897), Dame du Palais of the Queen
= Anne Willem Jacob Joost Baron van Nagell

Anne Willem Jacob Joost Baron van Nagell (1851-1936)
x Johanna Magdalena Cornelia Baroness van Zuylen van Nievelt (1856-1934)
= Justinus Egbertus Baron van Nagell

Justinus Egbertus Baron van Nagell (1882-1963)
x Simonette Marie Baroness van Haersolte van Haerst (1814-1990)
=
Jeanne Linnie Alice Baroness van Nagell

Jeanne Linnie Alice Baroness van Nagell (1918-2007)
x Jonkheer Willem Francois Clifford Kocq van Breugel (1914-2015)
= their children own these jewels now
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Old 09-29-2017, 09:08 AM
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I think Max could do with a better emerald tiara than what she has. Rather than acquire a new one, I thought she could alter the Mallerio Ruby and Diamond tiara so that the rubies can be replaced with emeralds. The resultant tiara would have the wattage and presence that the existing emerald tiara lacks. The accompanying ruby and diamond collier could also be altered to allow for emeralds.
Any changes made should be on a reversible basis as the existing parure looks lovely as it is.
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Old 06-01-2018, 05:15 AM
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On the Benelux Royal Jewels Board a poster, John, had a great suggestion. For mysterious reasons the diadem created by the Dutch firm Van Kempen has been partly dismantled. Only the upper part still exists, this was last seem during an exhibition in the 1990's.
I am glad to see that this was not actually the case!
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Old 06-01-2018, 05:18 AM
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Another thought. Perhaps the Dutch aquamarine tiara could be altered to have drop amethysts as an alternative to the aquamarines, on a reversible basis.
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Another thought. Perhaps the Dutch aquamarine tiara could be altered to have drop amethysts as an alternative to the aquamarines, on a reversible basis.

There areb also aqumarines in the base of the tiara. So would probably not possible as one would have to change the entire tiara.
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Old 06-01-2018, 02:30 PM
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There areb also aqumarines in the base of the tiara. So would probably not possible as one would have to change the entire tiara.
Fair point. Having said that, the aquamarines on the base are muted enough to not clash with something like amethysts. I would not suggest rubies or emeralds, but I think amethysts might work.
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Old 06-01-2018, 03:44 PM
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I auspect it would be easy to attach them to another base, maybe the pavlovnik pearl diadem of Queen Anna. But they don’ have a large collection of simular amethysts.
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I think they need some more orange jewels. Maybe a set of fire opals could be acquired and made into five elements to replace the pearl buttons from time to time.



Can you think of any necklaces that would look smart on a tiara frame? I admit that I don't know so much about their necklace collection. But I find the smaller sapphire tiara quite successful.
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Old 06-02-2018, 01:27 AM
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I suppose the peacock necklace could be put on a frame, but that will be of no use of course.

There is Maxima's new tutti fruit necklace, which seems to have a good shape for a tiara.

The honeycomb necklace was used as a tiara twice, by Q. Juliana and Pss Margriet, with mixed results.

Before Maxima it would have been sensible to convert elaborate devant corsages and bracelets into tiaras or bandeaus - as Queen Ingrid and the Lux RF did - but Maxima started wearing them again.

Queen Juliana once made a bandeau out of her (three?) diamond rose-brooches (for her wedding, as the Lippe family has a rose in its coat-of-arms). I think these brooches are in the private collection of Pss Beatrix. IIRC Juliana received these brooches when she was in her late teens/early twenties. She must have given them to Beatrix when she was around the same age. We have only seen them on Beatrix since, though she has not worn them very frequently these last years. It would be a charming 18th birthday present for the princess of Orange and even nicer if they made a bandeau out of them.
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Old 06-02-2018, 06:03 AM
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I auspect it would be easy to attach them to another base, maybe the pavlovnik pearl diadem of Queen Anna. But they don’ have a large collection of simular amethysts.
Thats right, the base of the antique pearl tiara could be used
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I don't think that the honeycomb necklace was really set on a frame. In my eyes it look like the the necklace arrange on the hairstyle. In the case of Irene, I think that her big hairstyle supported the necklace, so that it stood up a bit. And in the case of Juliana it really looked strange, imho. With a proper frame to support the necklace, the effect might be better. But probably the honeycomb necklace really isn't suitable for that kind of experiment.


The tutti frutti necklace might look quite nice on a tiara. The rose brooches on the other hand are just not substantial enough to form a tiara. For Juliana's wedding it only worked because there were orange blossoms (?) to fill up the gaps between the brooches.
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Old 11-03-2018, 02:31 AM
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Do we think that Max needs a better sapphire and diamond necklace (for example, like the George VI necklace) to go with the large sapphire and diamond tiara? I know the small sapphire necklace tiara can be used with a pendant, but that to me is not the most elegant necklace.
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I would love to see a wikipedia page about the dutch jewlley like the one about This is a good article. Follow the link for more information.
Elizabeth II's jewels


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Swedish family jewllery
for the moment in Swedish but maybe someone can translate it later on to English
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