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Old 12-08-2013, 11:28 AM
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Stop responding to the troll....
Yes, feeding the troll. Hungry trolls move under a new bridge.
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Old 12-08-2013, 01:28 PM
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Yes, feeding the troll. Hungry trolls move under a new bridge.
Perhaps we're being a bit hasty here assuming one is a troll. People come here for all different reasons and with all different opinions. Some here came as monarchists and over time, turned republican. Some had misguided notions about certain royals and after reading and participating in discussion, came to know more facts and dispelled the fantasies. Some, like me, came for Ascot hats and found a treasure trove of information about what the ins and outs and protocols of Ascot involve. Some believe Queen Elizabeth lives high on the hog with every whim granted with a smile and find out she's a very frugal and cost conscious person that uses Tupperware.

They're amusing, they're history, they have idiosyncrasies but most of all, they live in a fishbowl and we want to know everything about them. Gotta love it!
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Old 12-08-2013, 01:38 PM
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Yes, this true but when one intentionally comes to a forum uses intentionally divisive language to get a response then acts insulted and rude when they respond it stinks of troll.
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Old 12-08-2013, 03:08 PM
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Yes, this true but when one intentionally comes to a forum uses intentionally divisive language to get a response then acts insulted and rude when they respond it stinks of troll.
Exactly this, it would be like me posting on a site dedicated to Westbro Baptist Church etc and then acting all surprised if I started getting called names because I'm openly gay.

There is a right and a wrong way to start a discussion, unfortunately it would appear the OP has made a conscious effort to start any conversation in a derisive manner.
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Old 12-08-2013, 03:41 PM
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My point is that if people won't dialogue to learn, I won't give my valuable time to them speaking one-sidedly. When all they will do is talk (rather than listen and then dialogue) I won't do it. We all have that choice. Butting out now.
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Old 12-08-2013, 06:30 PM
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They are unelected and have no right to anything in an egalitarien society. You call attending a few functions and walking around a bit philanthropy?
Posh and Becks can do that and we don't have to fund them and their hangers-on to the tune of millions every year. I bet Posh didn't try to get a Government handout to keep her place warm last winter either.

Plus the queen is past her 'sell-by' date. She couldn't even get to Nelson Mandela's send-off so now we have to have a ceremony over here instead. I wonder who is footing the bill for that?
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Old 12-08-2013, 06:43 PM
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Indeed. It's confirmation of the steretypes I was expecting. Sounds like it should be called the 'Royal Fawning Forum' from what I have read so far. Can none of them do any wrong in your (collective) eyes?

Republic, I have been on this Board as an active member since about 2006/2007. There is indeed a fair amount of fawning. But there are also posts that range from speculative to highly critical.(see the thread devoted to the controversy over Prince Carl-Philip's current girlfriend and her suitability to be a member of the SRF).

I joined this board years ago mostly because I am a history buff, not to fawn. I always want to learn, and I have indeed learned quite a lot here. There are articles and stories devoted not only to current monarchies but ancient, defunct ones. Threads that discuss Royal mysteries, murders, art, etc. The list goes on.

With a handful of exceptions these posters are highly intelligent and well-informed.

Welcome to the board. I hope you come in peace. Just give it a try before labeling us all fawning royalists...you might be surprised.
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Old 12-08-2013, 08:24 PM
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They are unelected and have no right to anything in an egalitarien society. You call attending a few functions and walking around a bit philanthropy?
Posh and Becks can do that and we don't have to fund them and their hangers-on to the tune of millions every year. I bet Posh didn't try to get a Government handout to keep her place warm last winter either.

Plus the queen is past her 'sell-by' date. She couldn't even get to Nelson Mandela's send-off so now we have to have a ceremony over here instead. I wonder who is footing the bill for that?
I'd like to know, have you ever even bothered to watch royals in action? They bring a smile to people's faces, and that is a pretty big deal, not to mention, the existence of royals helps to promote tourism, especially in the United Kingdom. Her Majesty is not past her 'sell-by' date, as you call it. She still does a lot of engagements. Now, would you have the same sentiments towards a politician who was in the same age group? People have worth that is not measured by amount of revenue they bring in, and that is regardless of of their social position, age, etc. Now, I don't think too many people would turn out to see 'Posh and Becks' when they're doing an appearance of any sort, but a lot of people turn out to see Her Majesty, and other royals when they're doing an engagement. Just on Friday, Catherine made some very sick children and their families very happy. Can you really not see the worth of that? If not, then you're leading a rather sad life.
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Old 12-08-2013, 08:35 PM
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They are unelected and have no right to anything in an egalitarien society. You call attending a few functions and walking around a bit philanthropy?
Posh and Becks can do that and we don't have to fund them and their hangers-on to the tune of millions every year. I bet Posh didn't try to get a Government handout to keep her place warm last winter either.

Plus the queen is past her 'sell-by' date. She couldn't even get to Nelson Mandela's send-off so now we have to have a ceremony over here instead. I wonder who is footing the bill for that?
Charles' work with The Princes Trust has directly affected the lives of 100,000s of young Brits - to the extent that he is regarded as one of the world's leading philanthropist - a person people like Posh and Becks actually pay to attend functions he hosts.

The BRF maybe unelected but they do bring a lot of good will with them - have you seen the smiles on the faces of the people in Glasgow when Charles visited the sight of the crash - smiles that hadn't been there for a week or more but the sight of the heir to the throne thanking them, comforting them, and for one 8 year old, cuddling gave a boost in morale.

As for The Queen not going to Mandela's funeral - nothing new there - she has only ever attended one overseas funeral in her reign and only two non-family members in Britain - Churchill's and Thatcher's.

There are memorial services planned in many places for Mandela - it had that sort of influence - even if the Head of State is attending the actual ceremonies in SA. Britain has memorial services for many things every year and it is paid for from the same fund as other such services would be paid - The Sovereign's Grant - which is the money paid to The Queen to fund her official duties, the official duties of her family (such as the costs of Charles going to SA to go to the funeral), and the costs of maintaining the royal palaces. The Sovereign's Grant is for specific purposes and actually isn't a salary so if Britain was to be a republic the costs would increase as a President would require a salary as well as the money now paid for expenses.

The United States, which is sending the present Head of State and two past Heads of State, is also having a memorial service at the National Cathedral - http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/lo...234782031.html so why the big deal about the UK having a memorial service. New York has already held its own memorial service http://nypost.com/2013/12/08/nyc-lea...moral-majesty/ as has Los Angeles http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/lo...234958521.html

If you are going to attack royals in general or specific ones over an issue be prepared to have people come up with arguments such as mine - that other countries are also having memorial services as well as sending their Heads of State or Government (such as the Australian and Canadian PMs). The UK isn't having a memorial service because The Queen is too old to attend in person (as is George W Bush Snr by the way having both been advised against travelling so far at their age) but because the country wishes to honour him.
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Old 12-09-2013, 06:29 PM
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Yep what I thought. Troll. Boredom. Envy. Satanism. Thorism. In the it is all talk talk. Twitter at its best.
Yes, I agree: someone who goes to a site that is pro-monarchy, and is against it, is considered a troll.

If the site was about one vs. the other, then it would be acceptable. But I always find that such forums only end up inviting the inevitable constant bickering between both sides.

Best not to hang around at a place you don't care for, dark side.
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I think republics derisive dismissal of this forum betrays his refusal to engage monarchism on an intellectual level. Let me give you a few reasons why monarchism is inherently better than republicanism.

1) the monarch is representative of the common man in a way that no politician ever can be. The politician needs to be elected, and it's always the same kind of person (usually educated, white, male, straight, extremely competitive and driven, etc). The monarch is unique in being selected by the randomness of birth, and thus can be ANY type of person, not just the narrow percentage of people who become politicians.

2) the monarch is trained for the job since birth and this highly qualified./prepared.

3) the monarch doesn't have to sell his vote to lobbyists in order to be elected or compromise his values.

I can go on, but for a more in depth analysis of this check out royaltymonarchy.com It's a great site!!

Regardless of this, I hope you learn to deal with people who disagree with you better and more politely.

You're probably a troll, but I chose to respond because I think this is a great opportunity to exchange ideas and hopefully grow as intellectuals and political theorists!

Good luck to you, and I hope you allow yourself to consider the other side of an argument!
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