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Old 12-14-2007, 12:32 AM
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I was looking at some pictures of MC in Hello the other day, and, to me, she has a little less "arrogant" look than she did a few years ago. I've always thought she had kind of a "haughty" look about her -- when she's pictured with the Danish or Spanish royals, I get the impression that she's thinking, "God, these people are soooo unsophisticated, I can't wait to get back to New York."

(Maybe time is softening the look -- or maybe even the real attitude -- a bit...)

It's funny, I get a similar impression of Maria-Olympia from pictures. Since she was a toddler, she just has a look that makes her seem (to me, at least) like she's kind of a bratty, precocious, rich kid who has to be the center of attention -- reminds me of some child actors. Her brothers and Alexia's children don't strike me this way at all.

But, who knows? Since I don't know them personally, these are just impressions from pictures. For all I know, the exact opposite may be true. I hope so!

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Old 12-14-2007, 11:40 AM
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I know what you mean about MC. Though I think that air of arrogance is a mask for other feelings, like perhaps insecurity or inferiority. Esp. around the Danish and Spanish relations. After all, those cousins are still part of existinig monarchies, very popular among their "people" at that. The Greek monarchy is gone. I'm sure that relevence is not lost on MC who was brought up - imo - to be very aware of things such as status. As Kal said, we dont' know these ppl so we could be very wrong, it's just a personal observation I have. But I do agree that she does seem more relaxed and "nice" in recent years. As for MO, she strikes me as a typical pre-teen girl. I just hope they fix her teeth!
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Old 12-14-2007, 06:36 PM
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I think people project their own insecurities onto those in the public eye. We dont know that she arrogant. We dont know that she isnt arrogant. I think many people judge her harshly based on their own insecurities about themselves and our own place in the world. I dont hold her wealth against her anymore than i'd hold someones poverty against them. M-C has not placed a foot wrong publicly since she's become a public person so I dont judge her based on some imagined mistakes. I can only speak to the fact that she has lovely children, is a successful business women and represents her royal house with aplomb. The GRF have a relatively low profile so you dont see them much and MC doesnt seem to need to be included in every photo op. The inter-dynamics of a family are complex whether from a royal family or a common family and we as very distant observers can only speculate (again based on our own prejudices and and insecurities) as to why some things appear as the do. So I say I like Marie-Chantal until she says or does something public that makes me change my mind.
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Old 12-14-2007, 11:16 PM
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Hi dbarn,

I agree with a lot of what you're saying, although I think talking about the impression MC creates is fair -- after all, she's in the "image" business through her stores, her activities as a socialite, and her status as the "wife of" Pavlos.

And, if she didn't want us to think about her, she wouldn't do things like pose for magazine stories or allow herself (or her children) to be the center of attention at ribbon-cuttings, like the one last week.

So, whatever her real personality is like -- and she may, indeed, be the sweetest, kindest person you could meet -- it's interesting to consider how and why she presents herself to the world.

For instance, she's married to a man whose family has a stated interest in re-establishing itself in Greece (either to live or to rule), but I don't think I've read much about MC taking a special interest in Greek culture, Greek current events, or the well-being of the Greek people. (That may not reflect the truth, but it's the impression I have.)

As several people have suggested in this thread, if she really wanted to make herself a popular figure in Greece, she'd act in a down-to-earth way that appeals to the Greek public, she'd try to build connections to people in all levels of Greek society, and she'd live in a way that shows she shares the same interests and concerns as Greeks.

She's under no obligation to do any of that -- and maybe she couldn't care less -- but the fact that she doesn't do these things tells us something about her. Her husband and in-laws certainly have invested a lot of effort in demonstrating their dedication to Greece, but she's putting her effort in a different direction.

To be clear, I don't fault her for how she lives her life and I don't resent anything about her. I just find it fascinating to give some thought to what her image is -- and isn't -- and to consider what she *does* want us to think about her.

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Old 12-15-2007, 11:24 AM
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Kal,


Thank you for your thoughtfull and reasoned response. And I do agree with you that MC is fair game in that she married into a public family and when she poses for magazine and such people will speculate. I do not think she is "the sweetest, kindest person" ever. I dont think any one person is that. We're all human, yes even Marie-Chantal, and are combination of good qualities and bad. Also, I do think people project all of their own prejudices and insecurities onto a photograph. Case in point Diana, Princess of Wales, while she had a lot of wonderfully positive qualities she was also deeply insecure and had just as many not-so-positive qualities. we projected positive qualities onto her because she was pretty and she photograhed well. (And yes, I know, she did a lot of positive works for many people, I am a fan).

I just find it interesting that on the one hand people say Greece will never every reinstate its monarchy. Most of what I've read on this is that the people of Greece are pretty set against reinstatement. So how much do you invest in a people who are not welcoming of you? Also MC was raised by a man who "pulled himself up by his bootstraps" and she herself as said he is a meritocrat. Mr. Miller obviously has a sharp business mind and a knowledge of when to go after something that will give back and when to cut ones loses and move on. I'm sure the MC has learned by observaton that you cannot court a devotion that is not there.

Its very nice to have this belief that people will give and give without getting much back but I dont think that is a realistic understanding of human nature. Even the most ardent suitor will give up and leave if their advances are repeatedly rebuffed. Also, I dont get the impression (and as I dont live in Europe my impressions may be skewed) that Prince Pavlos is that devoted to Greece himself. I see the devotion in King Constantine and even Prince Nikolas but I do not get the impression that Prince Pavlos has a clear plan for garnering the favor of his people (again I dont live in Europe so my impression may no be accurate).
Marie-Chantal as having married into th GRF will take her cues from her husband most of all.
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Old 12-15-2007, 04:11 PM
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Hi dbarn,

You may be right -- maybe MC sees a return to Greece as unlikely and, and a result, isn't investing an effort into positioning herself in a way that would assist in that.

But, even in the most cynical sense, being a "Greek royal" is good for MC's "branding" as a socialite and businesswoman. There are scores of super-rich socialite-heiresses with shops and businesses in New York and London, and as far as I can tell, her connection to royalty is about the only thing that sets MC apart from any of the others. This "princess" title gives her some cachet the others don't have -- her name looks good on committees and boards, the media has some extra interest in her, designers want their clothes on a "royal" for publicity, and so on. If she were merely "Mrs. Miller," you might see her in the magazine party pictures or something, but she'd just be a face in the crowd, not a celebrity.

That's why I find it so strange that she doesn't seem to manage her image differently. She could make her personal "brand" a lot more valuable by putting some effort into broadening the best aspects of her "princess" association -- projecting the kind of warm image and associating herself with the philanthropies that serve other royals so well.

Maybe she doesn't care about what her image is, but if that's the case, I doubt she'd be in the magazines or at the fashion shows at all.

Anyway, while we can't know what the "real MC" is like, looking at the public face she does promote tells a lot about her.

kal

PS -- I don't think a return from exile necessarily would require a return of the monarchy. Constantine has often talked about buying a house there, so they family could just want to re-establish themselves there as philanthropists/citizens. Time will tell, I guess.
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Old 12-15-2007, 06:10 PM
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Hello Kal,

You are right, Marie-Chantal could be making a better case for a return from excile if she softened her image and embraced the Greek culture and people. She does garner personal and business cache be association with the GRF. Its is hard to know how she feel about such things. I would love to read andinterview wherein she were asked those types of questions. Time will tell if she learns to manage her image to appear more sympathetic.

Thanks for the lively discussion of this topic.

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Yesterday (1/6/08) I went to visit her clothing store in Manhattan at 1192 Madison Avenue & 87 Street. At the day was on Sunday, her store closed, I looked inside her store. It is very very very small and very very very narrow. The picture of inside store just looks like in her website: (Marie-Chantal).

In front of her store on that day, there is only 4 white pieces of cartoon children clothing. The pictures are children clothings: skirt, pants, boy dress, and girl dress. I was very surprised that there is no christmas or new year decoration. Near her store, there are two big children stores, one is Magic Window, and the other I can't remember the name. Most stores at that area are very very brand name from france, italy, etc.

Mostly on weekends, stores always open, but her store closes. That makes me think that she is doing her children store as her hobby, not her business. Also, I search price of Marie-Chantal clothing from some website. The price is too high, most of them approximately $100 - $170. I can't believe it, it's too much expensive.
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If that is the case then clearly Marie-Chantal's company is geared toward a specific audience.

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You may be right -- maybe MC sees a return to Greece as unlikely and, and a result, isn't investing an effort into positioning herself in a way that would assist in that.

I concur. Obviously, she knows that a return is highly unlikely and she is simply being realistic about the whole situation, in my opinion.
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Old 01-07-2008, 05:12 PM
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MC's clothes are marketed as "upscale". So $100 - $200 for an outfit for a child isn't too bad (I've seen dresses elsewhere for toddlers over $500). Her most focused clients are wealthy NY socialites and celebrities. But in her defense, the clothes are of a very high quality. I guess you get what you pay for.
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Old 01-07-2008, 05:40 PM
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I bought some clothes in Marie - Chantal´s shop and I´m not wealthy. Her things are expensive like Oilily and other children tags
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Old 01-16-2008, 08:43 PM
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She seems like a lovely person. Out of the three sisters, Marie-Chantal seems to be the friendliest. Of course, this is just my opinion and I have not ever had the pleasure of meeting her or seeing her in person. I do think that she needs to become fluent in Greek. Regardless of whether or not the Greek Royal Family returns to Greece and their throne, it is crucial that anyone who has "of Greece" or "Crown Princess" in their title speak the language of the country they feel they are representing. Marie-Chantal is already fluent in two languages, so she definitely has the ability to learn a third. I salute her family for their dedication to teaching Greek to the children, and this bond would be even stronger when each member of the family speaks the language.
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To me, M-C has always come off as a "not so nice" person. Very rich and very aloof. However, there have been several interviews with her in Swedish media recently and she is always described as VERY friendly and very down-to-earth. One interview is on TV on Monday and I can't wait to see it. The interviewer, who has followed several of the royals (at least, Silvia, Victoria, Mary, Mette Marit, Charles and Camilla and so on) says that M-C is the nicest one by far and that she could really be herself in M-C's precense. Interesting huh?
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Does she sells fashion brands of her own brand design by her?
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To me, M-C has always come off as a "not so nice" person. Very rich and very aloof. However, there have been several interviews with her in Swedish media recently and she is always described as VERY friendly and very down-to-earth. One interview is on TV on Monday and I can't wait to see it. The interviewer, who has followed several of the royals (at least, Silvia, Victoria, Mary, Mette Marit, Charles and Camilla and so on) says that M-C is the nicest one by far and that she could really be herself in M-C's precense. Interesting huh?
Do you know the name of the tv show that will feature this interview? Do you know if it will be available online?
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Do you know the name of the tv show that will feature this interview? Do you know if it will be available online?
The program is called "Prinsar och prinsessor" and its broadcasted by TV4. The episode with MC airs tonight. I'm afraid you can't see it online, or at least I haven't been able to find any way how to. This is the link to the show: tv4.se - Prinsar & prinsessor
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The program is called "Prinsar och prinsessor" and its broadcasted by TV4. The episode with MC airs tonight. I'm afraid you can't see it online, or at least I haven't been able to find any way how to. This is the link to the show: tv4.se - Prinsar & prinsessor
Thank you Cissan. Hopefully, it will turn up on youtube at some point. I will also check netflix to see if they have the show in their collection.
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Old 01-22-2008, 06:16 AM
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Now I have watched the show. She seemed nice - not übernice but nice. But I have never heard anyone use the term "you know" so much. In every sentence - I'm not kidding!

The program mostly focused on how she tried to act like the perfect princess, just in case she will one day be asked to be Queen of Greece. Most of the questions were about her kids and her daily routines (she gets up at 6.45 every morning).

There was a nice story from the wedding. When they took the big family portrait that was the biggest collection of "crowned heads" sin one room since the forties. Apparantly a relative who was supposed to be in the portrait was missing so someone went out to get her and put her in the front row, next to Queen Ingrid. Then they took the picture. After a while Queen Elizabeth asked her "servant" who the woman was and got the answer "isn't that princess bla bla bla" and Q E answered that it wasn't. Then everyone realized that they had gotten the wrong old lady in a wheelchair. The picture was apparantly taken at a public place and the woman in the wheelchair was just a commoner who had waited for her daughter outside the toilet. Queen Elizabeth found the story hilarious and demanded that the old lady must get the picture that had been taken of her and all the highest royalty in Europe. Nice, isn't it?
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Thank you, Cissan for this hilarious story! What a great case of mistaken identity! I think it was sweet that Queen Elizabeth insisted that the woman receive a copy of the portrait. The lucky woman. I have never been confused with royalty. Maybe someday (lol).

I hope that a clip of the interview will be available online at some point. Unfortunately, I am in the US, where the media doesn't feature royal interviews.
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I would love to see the show ! Did MC say what sport she does ? I've always wondered how she kept that fit and toned...
Do you think the show can be bought from the channel ?
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