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Old 07-01-2016, 08:22 PM
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There's two more things I'd like to add to why MC has become such a popular target of derision for many on the is forum, and online more broadly:

1) is it that Pavlos is the one we are really criticising? Let's be honest - he's a disappointment, he has failed in most business ventures (anyone remember PeriscopePost.com? Last time I looked the domain name was up for sale) and his 'attempts' at being taken seriously are frankly embarrassing. However since we don't want to admit that, we can all just blame the wife instead and keep hoping he'll turn himself around... [SARCASM ALERT]

2) is it that she's not what a lot of us were hoping for as a future matriarch of the Greek Royal clan? A lot of the criticism seems focused on the fact that the Miller family are nouveau riche and that her parents are both from blue collar backgrounds (a lot seem to get particularity hung up on the fact her mothers not Caucasian - same as some is the complaints about Queen Letezia who has a Filipino grandmother). Is it that we are all disappointed he did not marry a Greek woman, preferably one who was not a scion of the shipping families and had a proper education and career? Or that MC was too plebeian in her family roots?

Neither reason is a fair one to criticise her for and some of it is just (unjustified) snobbery and racism. However I do find it interesting that some of the criticism of MC are similar to what some people say about Leti. Both are small women with much larger husbands but both seem to be the larger personalities (this was also the case with Pavlos and Felipe's mutual grandparents Paul and Frederika). Both are not what many expected as Royal brides and both are often accused of not acting as befits their station.
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Old 07-01-2016, 09:04 PM
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Honestly befits what status? There is no Greek royal house any more and never will be. Unlike Letizia, she will never be queen and she will never represent a country. I highly doubt any hatred of Letizia is racism, how many people know she has any Philippino blood?? MC's mother being from Ecuador may be better known but she is still very 'caucasian' looking.

Considering the popularity of Kate whose parents worked as a pilot and flight attendant and come from coal miners, I also don't think being 'new money' is an issue for most people on these boards.

As for not being Greek, that is common enough in royal spouses. It isn't surprising that Pavlos didn't marry a Greek. Its not like he grew up in Greece. It isn't like the Danish princes who married foreigners instead of a Dane. Pavlos was 7 months old when his family left Greece. He spent his first few years in Italy and for a time with his Grandmother Ingrid in Denmark but London has been his home for over thirty years, besides when educated in the US. He was 37 the next time he was in Greece. So whatwas he meant to do, seek out any Greek woman in London to try and fall in love??
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Old 07-01-2016, 09:06 PM
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Marie-Chantal has a none white mother?
Leti has a Filipino grandmother?
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Old 07-01-2016, 09:39 PM
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I think Marie-Chantal is not really close to Letizia of Spain and Mary of Denmark. But she's really a friend of Infanta Elena and Infanta Cristina. It's just an observation.

I think Marie-Chantal would be a good Queen. But I think that Marie-Chantal is not interested in Greece and she just wants to keep his life as is.

I'm not sure if Marie-Chantal will be a good wife to Pavlos, when he is the head of the Royal House.
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Old 07-01-2016, 09:46 PM
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As someone said, the royal house is a fiction at this point. What will change? She will live where she is living, do what she does now and no one on earth, except a handful of people on this site will ever notice.
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Old 07-01-2016, 10:20 PM
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Quite true. MC is occasionally seen at weddings and other social events but it's not as if she is popping up on everyone's radar every five minutes. Yes, she has working class roots and also has loads of money. If she were really Crown Princess and there was a viable Greek monarchy that might be contentious for some. However, unlike Leti for instance, Marie-Chantal will never be a consort to a King. There are two or three Royal Forums/Tumblrs who know about her and that's it. 99 people out of 100 wouldn't know MC from a bar of soap, as we say in Australia.
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Old 07-01-2016, 10:23 PM
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I wasn't commenting on MCs relationships with the other CPss or queens, I was pointing out the parallels - that's something different.

Yes Leti and MC have nonwhite anscestiy, a lot of modern royals do, and there is nothing wrong with it in my opinion.

What I was commenting on was that a number of the negative judgements others have made - frankly I don't care what she does and I think the fact MC has done something on her own steam admirable (Pavlos is the one I take issue with).

The GRF may well be a 'fiction' but it's a fiction that some on this forum seem to have some strong opinions about to judge from how quick your responses were

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Quite true. MC is occasionally seen at weddings and other social events but it's not as if she is popping up on everyone's radar every five minutes. Yes, she has working class roots and also has loads of money. If she were really Crown Princess and there was a viable Greek monarchy that might be contentious for some. However, unlike Leti for instance, Marie-Chantal will never be a consort to a King. There are two or three Royal Forums/Tumblrs who know about her and that's it. 99 people out of 100 wouldn't know MC from a bar of soap, as we say in Australia.

I only found about her when I accidentally read about her in a copy of Hello! Magazine that somone gave us - first thing I remember thinking was "who the hell are these people?!" . My morbid fascination really can't be explained as most people in NZ would not know about her either!
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Old 07-16-2016, 07:30 AM
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Pavlos in choosing MC as his bride, managed to safeguard a high standard of living. Otherwise, based on his work and family income, he was not able to live in utter luxury, maintaining luxurious lifestyle and houses in various parts of the world, even a private air jet.
Ok, Greeks kicked off his father from King. Pavlos will not become a King never. But his great success, in my opinion, is that he managed to live as a King, through marriage.
And bear in mind, they will try to marry Konstantinos-Alexios to one of the heiresses-crown princesses of Europe, so that the dynasty goes on.
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Old 07-16-2016, 08:11 AM
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Pavlos in choosing MC as his bride, managed to safeguard a high standard of living. Otherwise, based on his work and family income, he was not able to live in utter luxury, maintaining luxurious lifestyle and houses in various parts of the world, even a private air jet.
Ok, Greeks kicked off his father from King. Pavlos will not become a King never. But his great success, in my opinion, is that he managed to live as a King, through marriage.
And bear in mind, they will try to marry Konstantinos-Alexios to one of the heiresses-crown princesses of Europe, so that the dynasty goes on.
This marriage is a perfect deal, out of course of her mutual attraction. He gave her a high title, and connection with all the European royal families and she offered money. A perfect match. Who can expect better ? In both sides.
As for her kids, Maria Olympia has all the assets to marry a crown Prince and become a queen, but...... Considering her style an behaviour I would not wish it to everyone.
For Constantinos why not? In example the young princess Elisabeth of Belgium ? Or Dutch?
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Old 07-16-2016, 10:55 AM
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There have not been royal-royal marriages for long, in the the royal Houses. Jaime de Marichalar y Sáenz de Tejada, Mathilde d'Udekem d'Acoz, Philomena de Tornos y Steinhart, Stéphanie de Lannoy, Beatrice Borromeo, Paola Doimi de Lupis Frankopan, examples of alliances with noble families. A marriage of a Greek royal (themselves with a commoner mother) with another royal seems unlikely, but you never know.
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Old 07-16-2016, 01:45 PM
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More likely with the defunct houses actually, but among each other usually. They tend to socialize in the same circles, though I don't think the Greeks do. I am thinking Sophie of Isenberg and George Friedrick of Prussia. Sophie's sisters: Katherine married Archduke Martin of Austria-Este (younger brother of Lorenz) and Isabelle is the Dowager Princess of Wied (husband Carl died last year, her son is now Prince of Wied). Lorenz and his siblings all married titles except Gerhard: he a Belgian princess, Martin an Isenberg, and the two sisters married Counts. The Duke of Apulia is married to Princess Olga of Greece (his parents the Duke of Aosta and Claude of Orleans). Marie Isabelle of Orleans is married to Prince Gundekar of Lichtenstein. Of course the obvious of Caroline of Monaco and Ernst-August of Hannover. Prince Alois of Lichtenstein and Duchess Sophie of Bavaria. His brother Constantijn married a Countess. Prince Nikolaus of Lichtenstein and Margarethe of Luxembourg. Nora married a Spanish Marquis. I am sure there are plenty more.

The Greeks, or at least that branch, don't seem to move in those circles though as much. The British royals are the ones we see them with, I think their kids are more likely to marry like their dad, into wealth.
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Old 07-17-2016, 01:35 AM
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My intention wasn't racist and I critising those who were being racist about it. What I was trying to drew attention to was the fact that MCs ancestry was often used as an unfair excuse to critise her and that there were parallels with Letizia. I'm sorry if you got the wrong idea but it wasn't my intention and I apologise for any offence caused.
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This thread has been cleaned up. It's not a thread about Queen Letizia, Queen Máxima, Crown Princess Mary or any other royal lady, it's a thread about Crown Princess Marie-Chantal only! Please stay on topic of this thread and stay respectful towards the persons you discuss. Further off-topic posts will be deleted without notice. Thank you for your understanding!
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I would say that the only royalty still moving into royal is the German and Austrian royalty. All the others have rather effected mixed matches.
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All I hope for is that these future marriages are loving and happy, regardless of who they are with.
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Old 07-17-2016, 07:39 PM
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... [snipped] Paola Doimi de Lupis Frankopan, examples of alliances with noble families. A marriage of a Greek royal (themselves with a commoner mother) with another royal seems unlikely, but you never know.

Slightly veering off ...

Lady Nicholas Windsor's maiden title is in dispute. Her father could not provide any verifiable links to the Frankopan family. Peter Frankopan dismissed question by saying, "... title is not any claim on anything. It is just a reflection of the age of the family". RootsWeb's WorldConnect Project: June Ferguson's Royal Genealogy Page It is unclear why the aristocratic Doimi de Lupis needed the Frankopan enhancement.

As for Crown Princess Marie Chantal of Greece, I like her very much. She seems to be sensible. Ms Marie Chantal Miller had realistic expectations of her royal marriage. That is why her marriage seems to work.
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I don't like MC but Ido think some people out there are being over-harsh. I think that MC's real problem is not that she is some over-ambitious harpy, although she is ambitious, but a very high strung, perfectionist, "Type A" personality, with a somewhat superficial cast of mind - if I'm being fair she does not seem egregiously stupid but nothing special intellectually either. These type of people place a lot of stock in maintaining outward appearances and social standing, often as a means of fulling some inner void.

Reading between the lines, her childhood sounds like it wasn't very happy despite the honking huge silver spoon that was in her mouth at birth. Bob Miller was too busy with work and overcompensated for his absence, emotional and physical, with money - he spoilt them (don't care what MC and her sisters say in interviews - they WERE spoilt). Maria-Clara/"Chantal" on the other hand was cold, hypercritical, and hard to please - I would guess that that was a manifestation of Chantal's own anxieties over her own sudden change of wealth and social status along with projecting her own insecurities and fears on to her daughters - very common in parenting and mostly unintentional. This is actually a really common family background for those with eating disorders - pace Alex's Anorexia.

Material indulgence and emotional neglect is a very dangerous combination for children and I think its in fact amazing that MC and her sisters did not turn out worse.

Also, in terms of looks, MC has high cheekbones and a narrow jaw which can give her a
hard, pinched look in some pictures - "Resting Bitch Face" is sometimes the term used for this phenomenon, her mother Chantal also looks like this in most pictures I've seen of her. The very flat sleek hairdos she favors don't help - they are also useless for tiaras - along with the whole "over groomed" look does not help either.

However, Pavlos seems to like her, her children seem happy, and some people out there seem to like her so maybe they know something we don't. Or maybe i'm being overgenerous -

As for MO, for Pete's sake she's only 20, leave her alone and let her have some fun,
I think she'll be fine.
interesting, i think this give a new light to Marie Chantal.
Proably she has a buddy relationship with her children because she had a rigid mother and don't want to repeat that, so she chose to be have a more light hearted family.

Maria Olympia seems spoiled and vapid, but maybe is a phase, or maybe it's not Marie Chantal fault at all. My brother and me are completly different in personality and tastes, so not everything is mothers fault.
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