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Old 04-22-2008, 05:35 PM
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Right. I understand what a morganatic marriage is, it's just that like yourself I thought the Greek Royal house had given approval of Pavlos marriage and that MC was considered Princess Pavlos after the wedding.
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Well, it seems as though that family are very relaxed about things according to people who know them though the King and Queen have to be addressed as Their Majesties all the time whereas we can address to our queen as "Ma'am" once we addressed to her as "Your Majesty".
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Right. I understand what a morganatic marriage is, it's just that like yourself I thought the Greek Royal house had given approval of Pavlos marriage and that MC was considered Princess Pavlos after the wedding.

I thought the same;M-C was welcomed into the family with welcoming arms.
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This thread is more concerned with the title that Crown Prince Pavlos may or may not assume following the death of his father in the hopefully distant future.
Posts discussing attitudes to restoration of the Greek Monarchy have been moved to the restoration thread.

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Old 07-21-2008, 04:48 AM
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According to the Spanish Royal Family Marie-Chantal is:
Su Alteza Real la Princesa Marie-Chantal de Grecia
Duquesa de Esparta

http://www.casareal.es/boda/info/InvitadosCatedral.pdf

(Ik know she would technically be HRH Crown Princess Pavlos, but still)
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Old 07-21-2008, 03:18 PM
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Princess Robijn, this title is twice wrong. She has been fashioned HRH Princess Pavlos of Greece, not C.P MC of Greece.
The Spanish Court is of course closely related to the GRF and they have every right to include her in their guest lists by any names and titles they wish, but that does not mean these are her correct titles.
BTW When, hopefully years from now, K Constantine passes, Pavlos will be referred to as pretender to the throne, not Crown Prince.
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You mean not as King, as he is Crown Prince?
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King Constantine carries the title of King because he was invested as King when his father King Paul died in 1964. He remained King even after the Dec 13 1967 coup when the family left Greece and settled in Rome. The Colonels, changed Greece into a democracy when they claimed K Constantine was trying to overthrow them from abroad. When in 1974 the Colonels fell and there was a referendum about 80% of the Greeks voted to abolish the monarchy. To this day, officially K Constantine is not King of the Greeks by for some ex King Constantine and others King of the Hellenes. If we add on this that Pavlos was born in 1967 while the Royal family was still reigning, P Pavlos is still known as Crown Prince...........
Going forward a long time, after King Constantine's passing, Pavlos cannot be Crown Prince of Greece since there would be no King alive at that point. He cannot be known as King since he has no country to reign. Therefore he can be carrying the title of "Pretender to the Greek throne" since K Constantine never abdicated but accepted the wish of the Greek people.
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Pavlos can carry the title of 'Crown Prince' for the rest of his life just as Crown Prince Alexander of Yugoslavia [Serbia] does so today.
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Any Greek royal title is purely a courtesy title as they no longer rule and Greece no longer has a monarchy. Most people don't take these titles too seriously.
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Pavlos can carry the title of 'Crown Prince' for the rest of his life just as Crown Prince Alexander of Yugoslavia [Serbia] does so today.
You make a very good point Warren. I was always wondering about Alexander since Yugoslavia no longer exists.
Still, in Greek Pavlos's title is Diadohos which means, heir/next in line. If he gets at the front of the line with no one ahead.........in Greek at least the title would be obsolete even for those who can still dream of a restoration. Let us hope it is going to be a real long time before we find out how he is going to fashion himself.
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i was reading through the Greek royal family topics and was thinking. They dont actually rule Greece so does that mean that Crown Prince Pavlos wont actually become King Pavlos when his father dies or will he?. Whats the point if he does cos he rarely goes to Greece and the country dont actually want the royal family. So what is the point of having a King and Queen of Greece when they dont live there or do anythink (to my knowledge) for there country.
Yes, I have been thinking the same. How can the Crown Prince Pavlos not succeed to the throne? Who has not thought about that? How is the King of the Hellenes going to approach his people to regain their trust and, if so, how will the heir to the throne politicise and how will they react?
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Their titles are in name only, when Constantine dies Pavlos won't be King Pavlos. IF they choose to restore the monarchy, Pavlos would be the likely choice but not a guarantee.
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Crown Prince Pavlos: Current and Future Titles

He technically COULD declare himself "King Pavlos II". There is legally nothing stopping after his fathers passing and his accession to the head of the House of Glüksburg-Greece. The claimant to the Albanian Throne, Prince Leka, styles himself "HM the King of the Albanians, Leka II" so what would stop Pavlos, he can call himself whatever he likes once he ascends to the Headship.

Though I suspect he will continue to be styled "Crown Prince" just to keep controversy down, the Greek Royal Family do not need to go around opening doors that should remain shut...


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Crown Prince Pavlos can definately call himself the King of the Hellenes when he succeeds to his father and that is what I will call him, but his brother Prince Nikolaos is on the verge of forming a political party called the National Patriotic Front, which is what I plan to vote for, that is to be governed by a board of businessmen and officials in high posts. If his party wins the elections or forms a coalition government the greek monarchy will immediately be restored. For the time being I think it would be good to call the Crown Prince the Duke of Sparta and hope for the best to come.
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Prince Nikolaos has not created any political party. The Royal family has denied these news or rumors. In the interview of the spanish newspaper , ABC, it was published in July, these are the words of King Constantine ,when he was asked by these possibilities : " A monarchy does not mutate to a political party". This is the Principle of the Greek Royal Family "not mutate" . Prince Paul is not calls himself King .HE is Crown Prince, it is true that King George A of the Hellenes created one title to Crown Prince, it was Duke of Sparta.
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