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Old 01-13-2008, 02:02 PM
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I agree with all of your posts Iowabelle. The only thing that strikes me as good about Albert is his obvious affection for his sister, who clearly needs it. That affection does not appear to be extended to his children, which strikes me as a character flaw, and a serious one.

I also agree with the poster that said that Monaco was missing a unified family. The family is fragmented, the prince has no wife, he does have children, but he doesn't treat them as his children, the succession is a big question mark, the sisters have their own marital issues. I've always believed that a successful (and enduring) monarchy offers an ideal royal family that because of it's strength and stability can set an example and act in a supportive role within the country. That does not exist in Monaco.
I agree with everyone that states that a sense of unified family is missing in Monaco, especially the relationship between the two sisters. We would love to see pictures of all of them reunited happily, including Charlene and the two kids of Albert. But I do not think that a monarchy has to offer anymore the aspect of an ideal family. There are not ideal families, all of them have normal problems now and then. Remember that the "ideal victorian families" included mistresses and liberty for the men of the families and pregnancies and all kind of duties for the women of the family. That was not the case of Queen Victoria, ironically, but it was for most of the women of the time to which she gave her name, the hypocritical pre-feminist society that Oscar Wilde criticized until it led him to prison and death. Royals form part of a culture and they have to change with the culture changes just as everyone else. That ideal of a perfect family has led to incorrect decisions, like princess Margaret not marrying the man she loved or Charles marrying a lovely girl, an english rose, whom he did not love, and after that behaving like if he were living in the XIX century or Diana were a woman of that time.

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The negelctance of Stephanie's kids is obvious:
1) The worst: Not allowing them to attend Rainier's funeral. How painful must it have been for Stephanie to see EA's sons being there and behaving like grandchildren (walking around the coffin with candles - that was really disgusting)

2) No obvious social encounter between the cousins.

2) Not allowing Stephanie's kids to attend any official event. But Caroline pushes her kids to the front row like they are the legitimate heirs to the throne

I think marrying EA might have been out of love but probably with a second thought. Being a royal heighness brings her back to the royal carpet, with the status of a once divorced widow with 3 kids she was slipping out of this society.
Stephanie has chosen to keep her children out of the spotlight since they were born, she said it in many interviews, and if she could have disappeared herself she would have done it, but she always had her duties and a feeling of responsibility towards her father.
As for Caroline, what an elegant way of calling a woman "a social climber", as if she needed any more attention, money or status. I repeat it, she has known Ernest since they spent their family vacations in Gstaad,at that time Grace had contact with all the royal families, if Caroline wanted a prince she had many to choose, but she always married for love, or believing to be in love, this is what she is, you like her or not.
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Old 01-13-2008, 03:54 PM
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I suppose by unified family it is meant that they are at a lot of the charity events together. It appears to me that they have done what I call a divide and conquer method. Stephanie is low key and does not seem to really enjoy formal functions thus she attends only the ones she feels she must be present at. She currently fills the role of humanitarian for the crown or people's princess if you prefer. Caroline is more in the "Queen" consort role which she stepped into when her mother died and has done extremely well (JMO). She is in a tough spot, as Albert has the throne and has no direct heir by him thus leaving her to semi-train her kids for a job they might not hold. Perhaps behind closed doors Albert has said he will not marry and thus Caroline is quietly training her trio who knows? As far as Charlene goes, she looks like a live in companion at this point. Even with the lastest PR move in Bunte trying to cast her as well read, content to stay home and cook, etc it rings hollow so if she were put into the role of princess at this point she seems to lack passion for the job but not the title (JMO) So what is Monaco lacking? as I said before a leader. Albert thus far seems more concerned with his image than with Monaco, and I wish he would as he has the talent to do so. (JMO)
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Old 01-13-2008, 05:01 PM
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I agree with many of the posters on here that say that the family is too fragmented. I think they truly love and care about each other, and that's the first step that they need to "put it back together". And I understand that they all live different lives, in different places, etc. But it would be nice if they were together more, at some official events. Or if Caroline's (older) kids took a bigger role, since one of them very well may be the ruler of Monaco someday. They don't really seem to do much more then drink, smoke, and party.

Albert, IMO, might need to settle down some. And not settle down as in "get married, have kids, say goodbye to your old life and having fun". I mean, maybe get a new reputation. Being "The Playboy Prince" is very hot when you're 25 years old, handsome, and can do whatever you want, whenever you want. But by the time you're 50, still a bachelor, balding, and the Sovreign Prince of anywhere, it's not so cool. Leave that to your nieces and nephews. He still can have girlfriends and enjoy women and have illegitimate children, but it's not so great now. It's actually kind of sleazy. Who knows, I don't follow this family much, maybe he's gotten better since 2005. Maybe he just could focus on other things. And if he wants to get married to Charlene, or any other woman, he can do that. But I just don't think he should be so "loose".
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Old 01-13-2008, 05:42 PM
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I suppose by unified family it is meant that they are at a lot of the charity events together. It appears to me that they have done what I call a divide and conquer method. Stephanie is low key and does not seem to really enjoy formal functions thus she attends only the ones she feels she must be present at. She currently fills the role of humanitarian for the crown or people's princess if you prefer. Caroline is more in the "Queen" consort role which she stepped into when her mother died and has done extremely well (JMO). She is in a tough spot, as Albert has the throne and has no direct heir by him thus leaving her to semi-train her kids for a job they might not hold. Perhaps behind closed doors Albert has said he will not marry and thus Caroline is quietly training her trio who knows? As far as Charlene goes, she looks like a live in companion at this point. Even with the lastest PR move in Bunte trying to cast her as well read, content to stay home and cook, etc it rings hollow so if she were put into the role of princess at this point she seems to lack passion for the job but not the title (JMO) So what is Monaco lacking? as I said before a leader. Albert thus far seems more concerned with his image than with Monaco, and I wish he would as he has the talent to do so. (JMO)
Brilliantly said, Hibou! Albert doesn't know how to be a leader.
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Old 01-14-2008, 01:45 AM
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Boy, I do not feel envious toward the Grimaldis about anything, least of all Albert for having to be successor and live up to the "Rainier and Grace" era.
I am sure that they can do it, though. They just need to band together and do it like a family, forget about all this "divide and conquer" stuff as hibou said. The talent and potential is there. Maybe they just need to refocus it.
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Old 01-14-2008, 09:51 AM
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Boy, I do not feel envious toward the Grimaldis about anything, least of all Albert for having to be successor and live up to the "Rainier and Grace" era.
I am sure that they can do it, though. They just need to band together and do it like a family, forget about all this "divide and conquer" stuff as hibou said. The talent and potential is there. Maybe they just need to refocus it.
Huge talent there all round. I agree. I would add that Albert needs to stop feeling like he needs arm candy when he attends all these events. Nice for him to bring a date but he has to get his image as a strong minded leader together first.It would be nice if he would keep his private life as private as possible and not have girlfriends to blab to the press. I'd be thrilled if he found the love of his life but in the meantime he needs to keep that part out of sight. (JMO) He has brought various family members to events like the de masseys but it is very rare that you see them all at the same time as everyone mentioned.
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Old 01-16-2008, 03:50 AM
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....Albert be patient (and careful), your is out there! ...& she needs you as much as you need her. She's out there.
"You have the resources"...FIND HER! -Freedom (nice)

Internal resources-Yes?


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(omission of the word "digger" was intentional ) -sandsla


I know Albert can't hide who he is - but one often gets what they advertise for?
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Old 01-20-2008, 07:09 AM
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Boy, I do not feel envious toward the Grimaldis about anything, least of all Albert for having to be successor and live up to the "Rainier and Grace" era.
I am sure that they can do it, though. They just need to band together and do it like a family, forget about all this "divide and conquer" stuff as hibou said. The talent and potential is there. Maybe they just need to refocus it.
I agree with you Casiraghi Trio, the "Rainier and Grace" era, will be hard to follow, because it's such a fairytale image, plus it's recent memory. They did some great things! But Monaco has had some other great eras, it didn't start with Rainier and Grace. I think Monaco has had a great history and has always been a unique little place in the world. Considering the times we live in and the fact that this family and monarchy still survives, very strongly I might add, that in itself is quite amazing, especially for it's size.

It took Rainier more than a few years to find his way, and he also had to deal with the power plays that usually happen at the beginning of a new reign. There are always issues regarding loyalties and different personalities. It's hard for some people to adapt to changes that are obviously going to occur. I'm sure it will continue to be a very special place and Albert will make his own mark. Rainier was a single man for a while before he found a bride and although he was younger, it was the 50's and for that time period he too probably had to deal with a bachelor image for awhile. Albert will find a special woman too!

I do love seeing all the family together, when it's possible for them, but I really don't see that they are so fragmented.They have all done a great job in stepping up when needed into the roles that suited each of their personalities.This family has had to deal with more than it's share of sorrow, and that is hard enough to live through without being on display. Personally, I think they have gone through all their trials and tribulations with much humility and grace and that is why they remain so popular, they transcend mere interest in royalty, because they have managed to stay regal yet real and that is the allure of the Grimaldi's.



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Old 01-20-2008, 09:53 AM
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I think what's missing in Monaco is having a Princess like the glamorous and gracious Princess Grace...Prince Albert should have a wife princess and legitimate children as heirs--and they would be Monaco's new Princely family-..Its not that I dont like Princess Caroline or her children to be Albert's heir, its just that Princess Caroline's children seems to enjoy a much normal life than being royals.
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The Grimaldis in my opinion lack dignity and self respect. If Albert had any, he wouldn't be cavorting with Charlene and he would look for someone willing to accept his baggage and marry her. Either that or he would make Charlene into an honest woman and get engaged, marry her, and have plenty of children and ensure the succession of the Grimaldi dynasty. Ranier worked very hard to bring some dignity to Monaco and Albert, Stephanie, and even Caroline seem interested in doing nothing but squandering that legacy with their antics.

As for having a Princess consort, Albert would be incredibly lucky if someone of stature would be willing to even look at him, much less date or marry him. I think Albert is quickly running out of options and he should begin to get serious about his personal life.
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As for having a Princess consort, Albert would be incredibly lucky if someone of stature would be willing to even look at him, much less date or marry him. I think Albert is quickly running out of options and he should begin to get serious about his personal life.
Actually he has dated woman who were. One was scared off by the press and attention she couldn't handle.
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In that case, finding someone of respectable stature and someone able and willing to deal with the press, he would be lucky to find her.

Albert, despite being a reigning prince, isn't that much of a catch. He has two illegitimate children whose mothers have pretensions to the throne of Monaco 'for their children' and I don't think any respectable woman would be willing to deal with that. It's too much for any woman to handle, especially one whose children, however legitimate, would still be challenged on and off by Tamera and Nicole. Both women want the throne for their kids (with themselves as a power behind the throne) and both seem interested in scaring off any women who get intimately involved.

Albert will have to choose, woo, and convince a decent and respectable woman to even be seen in public with him despite his baggage.
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Actually he has dated woman who were. One was scared off by the press and attention she couldn't handle.
Albert has always dated bimbos and will always date bimbos. A woman of substance makes him look and feel inferior. The one "woman" he dated that wasn't a bimbo has more testosterone than he does so that was a no-hoper from the beginning.
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In that case, finding someone of respectable stature and someone able and willing to deal with the press, he would be lucky to find her.

Albert, despite being a reigning prince, isn't that much of a catch. He has two illegitimate children whose mothers have pretensions to the throne of Monaco 'for their children' and I don't think any respectable woman would be willing to deal with that. It's too much for any woman to handle, especially one whose children, however legitimate, would still be challenged on and off by Tamera and Nicole. Both women want the throne for their kids (with themselves as a power behind the throne) and both seem interested in scaring off any women who get intimately involved.

Albert will have to choose, woo, and convince a decent and respectable woman to even be seen in public with him despite his baggage.
I have to disagree with you. As far as the children they shouldn't be a problem either. Plus neither child has any claim to the Throne as his attorney already stated.
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Albert has always dated bimbos and will always date bimbos. A woman of substance makes him look and feel inferior. The one "woman" he dated that wasn't a bimbo has more testosterone than he does so that was a no-hoper from the beginning.
Well, in that case it's a pity Britney Spears isn't single. I think she's his only hope now.
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According to Point de Vue this week , Monaco needs Princess Caroline's glamour. I agree,she is always the star of the family,a magnetic personality,icon of style and an exceptional example of reserve: no interviews, no proclamation, no pursuit of public consent ! For me a woman of quality.
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I haven't read the article in question, and i'd like to do so before making any comment, Ulisse, but P. Caroline is an example of reserve nowadays, because we all know she had quite an atribulated ( and quite spread about in the press ) life. Onthe other hand and although Monaco still needs beautiful, rich jet-seters prowling about the pricipality and social events to feed the aura of dream and glamour so appealing to tourists, the family should get together ( all of them: the grown ups and the young generation of cousins ) and work all focused on the same aim: put the country in the european map of economy, politics and scientif research, colaborating w/ other reigning monarchies in social matters ( work with children, poor countries, educational programs, imigration... ) and cultural issues. These are dificult times we're living; balls, parties, vacations are good, but they're not enough anymore. P. Grace days are over. It's up to her family to take her heritage in hands and, without putting the dream aside, adjuste it to these modern, troubled days in a dinamic and constructive way. They should stop sticking to the past ( and we public so encourage them to do so! ) and face the future. ALL OF THEM TOGETHER!!!!
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