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Old 01-10-2008, 11:53 AM
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Nothing is missing from Monaco. All of them are doing very well. They are such a nice and loving to one another family. Albert does not need an special wife, since all of them are already celebrities on their own. They inherited the charm and the beauty of their parents. What he needs, if possible, is a wife he loves and loves him and beautiful children. Now we all know the importance of good genes. If Charlene is an intelligent and healthy, both physical and emotional, person, and they really love each other, that is enough for Monaco. It seems the sisters approve her, that is important. Some things will improve my vision of Monaco: An adequate and loving husband for Stephanie, who is doing much better with the full support of her brother, and the reconciliation of the two sisters. They love each other a lot, but they need to forgive and understand better and that the world can see it. They are my preferred royals, because they are a warm and supportive family and all of them look to me like normal, good people, make mistakes, acknowledge it, and change for the good.
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I have wearied of the Grimaldis. I think Somerset Maugham was right, Monaco is a sunny place for shady people.

As for the royal children, I used to admire Caroline so much. I can understand marrying Junot, she was young and "in love" (and wanting to stick it to her mother), but Ernst August?? And I just can't get over Albert and his assorted love children. And Stephanie, I feel pity for her but she's not the baby sister anymore.

Watching this family is like watching Britney Spears. When's the next disaster going to happen? And I don't think throwing a royal bride into the mix will fix it.
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I have wearied of the Grimaldis. I think Somerset Maugham was right, Monaco is a sunny place for shady people.

As for the royal children, I used to admire Caroline so much. I can understand marrying Junot, she was young and "in love" (and wanting to stick it to her mother), but Ernst August?? And I just can't get over Albert and his assorted love children. And Stephanie, I feel pity for her but she's not the baby sister anymore.

Watching this family is like watching Britney Spears. When's the next disaster going to happen? And I don't think throwing a royal bride into the mix will fix it.
There was a big tragedy in the family, the death of Grace. I think most problems of Stephanie came from that sad episode of her life. But they could cope. Caroline became a first lady instead of her mother. I admire her because she is a very good mother, like Jacqueline Kennedy was, and lately is developing a social conscience, as she gets older and wiser. Her husband is unfortunately an alcoholic, probably she did not know it when she got married, and already widow with three kids, wanted a man that could protect all of them with his social standing. This woman has had two big blows in her life, the tragic deaths of her mother and her husband, and she has strived and been able to protect and support her family through these situations. I think you are too hard on them, Iowabelle, maybe you are very young yet.
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Old 01-10-2008, 05:28 PM
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Actually, I'm a little older than Stephanie.

Yes, I didn't realize how badly Stephanie was traumatized by the accident for a very long time, but she has been treated as a child for a very long time. It's time to grow up (and either live quietly or embrace the royal life). Maybe she has grown up, I haven't heard much about her lately.

And I don't see how Caroline couldn't have known what EA was. She's no longer the starry-eyed young miss.

As for Albert, he's been derelict in his duty to his family and country.
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Old 01-10-2008, 07:21 PM
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Just read "Diana Memorabilia"

I come from reading your article, Iowabelle, very interesting and very useful for collectors. I like Diana very much, too, that so happy Travolta/Diana picture always make me think on the nice ambassador for her country she could have been, everyone looked delighted watching at her dance with Travolta, on the perfect wife she could have been for a loving husband. But I wonder why you are not that tolerant with the "beauty, humanity, vulnerability and flaws" of the Grimaldis, too.

What on earth is a recovering lawyer? I suppose it means you stopped working as a lawyer and did not like the experience.

Not many non-proffessional people recognize an alcoholic, since alcoholic beverages are part of almost all the social gatherings.

I looked for the word "derelict" in the dictionary, and I do not know that Albert had "derelicted" in any way his family or his country. On the contrary, he has given Stephanie so much support after he is the head of state, that she looks much better, more accepted. And all his family and subjects seem to be very happy with him, according with the photos.

Yes, I am older than you.
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".... Albert can bring as much or more as the generations that have preceded him, and he probaby shares a lot with his namesake who did much to advance many areas of study internationally. I absolutely agree. He has incredible potential with all of the resources available to him. -Freedom

I think Albert seems to have a genuine interest in humanity and was born with a true altruistic nature, and I believe he is sincere in his interest and ventures. You nailed it, Sandsla. What a gift to this world that a leader possesses these characteristics! I hope he does not let politics & red tape get in the way of all that he could accomplish. The people, environment, current state of the world, and future generations need him too much for him not to persevere. He, as a leader, must never give in to pressure or up on what is right! -Freedom


I also believe women bring much and are truly often the strength and stabalizing force, but what I think Albert needs most is the "true" love and real support of a "genuine" & smart woman that can can help him to achieve their own unique vision for Monaco's new era. I couldn't agree more. -Freedom



If she is worthy of marrying she shouldn't have to be sold! If she is authentic and has true inner beauty it will be recognized! Very True! -Freedom


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There is something missing from Monaco, but imho the missing thing is not to do with a princess for Albert. I believe the missing thing is a sense of a united family. I believe the Grimaldis are a loving family, as tan berry pointed out. But they are also such a long distance, fragmented family, whom we rarely see all together. I think we see them all together once a year. I'm not saying that we would need to see them all together all the time. No, that's impossible. By and large, out of necessity, most of the public functions are solo in nature, i.e the ribbon cuttings. But there are many events such as the charitable galas, the circus where it would be nice to see the whole family there, united as well as loving, and not only Albert and Stephanie and Charlene, as usual. Most of the time, you see Ernst and Caroline off doing their own thing somewhere, in Paris or Salzburg or London or somewhere else. Albert and Stephanie are in Monaco. Now with Charlene on the scene it might be better, and when/if Albert and Charlene have kids, it will improve, but then for the meantime, I think Caroline is being an almost absentee Hereditary Princess and her children being all over the map. I am not criticizing Caroline by any means. I fully understand that she has international interests, and she does important work. But I think the missing thing from Monaco is too much of a fragmented (albeit a loving) family.
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What's missing from Monaco? How about the Sovereign Prince acting w/a little personal dignity rather than like Hugh Hefner. It might be attractive to be the "Playboy Prince" when you're 25, certainly not when you're 50 and have succeeded to the throne. His choice in a "companion" is disgraceful, especially at a time when the his peers (the Crown Princes of the major European thrones) have all married women w/educations and careers. He is sadly mistaken if he thinks that he can earn respect just be parading around any woman w/blonde hair.

He's turned out to be a major disappointment.
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I mean, I think Albert has been derelict by 1) having illegitimate children, period; 2) muddying up the succession; 3) not providing for or participating in the lives of those children [as far as I know, prior to the death of his father].

I'm not sure about not marrying (it could have been a Charles/Diana situation) as being derelict. But what is he doing to prepare his heir now, assuming he's not getting married and having legitimate offspring in the future?

After Albert, what? Caroline might outlive him by a few years and then, Casiraghi princes? Outside of jetsetting what have these kids done?

But I will give Albert kudos for being supportive of his sister.
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well, wouldn´t jetsetting be one of the most important things to do for a prince of Monaco ? Considering the (wealthy) people the country tries to attract & the amount of charities, parties, etc etc. it would be helpfull indeed.
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I mean, I think Albert has been derelict by 1) having illegitimate children, period; 2) muddying up the succession; 3) not providing for or participating in the lives of those children [as far as I know, prior to the death of his father].

I'm not sure about not marrying (it could have been a Charles/Diana situation) as being derelict. But what is he doing to prepare his heir now, assuming he's not getting married and having legitimate offspring in the future?

After Albert, what? Caroline might outlive him by a few years and then, Casiraghi princes? Outside of jetsetting what have these kids done?

But I will give Albert kudos for being supportive of his sister.

I agree with all of your posts Iowabelle. The only thing that strikes me as good about Albert is his obvious affection for his sister, who clearly needs it. That affection does not appear to be extended to his children, which strikes me as a character flaw, and a serious one.

I also agree with the poster that said that Monaco was missing a unified family. The family is fragmented, the prince has no wife, he does have children, but he doesn't treat them as his children, the succession is a big question mark, the sisters have their own marital issues. I've always believed that a successful (and enduring) monarchy offers an ideal royal family that because of it's strength and stability can set an example and act in a supportive role within the country. That does not exist in Monaco.
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Actually, I'm a little older than Stephanie.

Yes, I didn't realize how badly Stephanie was traumatized by the accident for a very long time, but she has been treated as a child for a very long time. It's time to grow up (and either live quietly or embrace the royal life). Maybe she has grown up, I haven't heard much about her lately.

And I don't see how Caroline couldn't have known what EA was. She's no longer the starry-eyed young miss.

As for Albert, he's been derelict in his duty to his family and country.
I totally agree:
Caroline was hunting for a husband - this time with a royal background for a change - and she didn't mind steeling it from a friend.
The record of EA's violent incidents would bring everybody else into jail.
Considering that I find Carolines arrogance and neglectance towards her sister totally inappropriate. Caroline's kids don't seem to become a productive part of society: Life's party and beach. No serious studies. Andrea doesn't seem to be too smart. Failed his exams and driver's licence at least once.

Stephanie is not a bright light either. Her record of relationships and pregnancies would fit a lower class waitress rather than a princess. Her poor kids must be traumatised by now: negected by the rest of the family and stepfathers come and go.

Albert might benefit from the glamour of his parents. But he definitly doesn't add any glamour by marrying Charlene.

All 3 Grimaldi kids are spoiled and not very smart. In 20 years from now - Monaco will be like it used to be before 1956.
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I totally agree:
Caroline was hunting for a husband - this time with a royal background for a change - and she didn't mind steeling it from a friend.
Stephanie is not a bright light either. Her record of relationships and pregnancies would fit a lower class waitress rather than a princess. Her poor kids must be traumatised by now: negected by the rest of the family and stepfathers come and go.


All 3 Grimaldi kids are spoiled and not very smart. In 20 years from now - Monaco will be like it used to be before 1956.
Caroline was not hunting for a husband, she dated an unknown French actor for 5 years, which i don´t think provides any social status, if she had liked belonging to this exclusive royal circle she could have done it much earlier, she has been a friend of Ernst and other European princes since her youth, so your conclusion is totally wrong,and about "steeling a husband", you don´t steel what someone does not "own" anymore.
As for Stephanie, she has lived her life as she wanted, and not as imposed for anyone, that´s good for her, and it doesn´t make her more or less intelligent. I don´t agree about her kids being rejected by the family, which part of the family? If you mean Caroline, she´s Pauline´s godmother, just to remind.
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Caroline was not hunting for a husband, she dated an unknown French actor for 5 years, which i don´t think provides any social status, if she had liked belonging to this exclusive royal circle she could have done it much earlier, she has been a friend of Ernst and other European princes since her youth, so your conclusion is totally wrong,and about "steeling a husband", you don´t steel what someone does not "own" anymore.
As for Stephanie, she has lived her life as she wanted, and not as imposed for anyone, that´s good for her, and it doesn´t make her more or less intelligent. I don´t agree about her kids being rejected by the family, which part of the family? If you mean Caroline, she´s Pauline´s godmother, just to remind.
Rosana, as far as I know:
Vincent Lindon was/is a famous actor in France, not an unknown actor, and his family is millionaire. His grandfather was the owner of the Citroen.

Caroline was introduced to Ernst by her friend Chantal, when they were young and already engaged.

Caroline start dating Ernst when he was still married to Chantal. Ernst and Chantal separeted and divorced later. Chantal ask the divorce saying that her husband was cheating her with an "unknown woman", though Chantal and everybody knew it was Caroline.

Though Caroline is Pauline's Godmother, have you seen a pic of Caroline with Stephanie's kids lately?

I am a big fan of the family, but I believe that many of the things thekla wrote about all the members of the family are the truth.
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Rosana, as far as I know:
Vincent Lindon was/is a famous actor in France, not an unknown actor, and his family is millionaire. His grandfather was the owner of the Citroen.

Caroline was introduced to Ernst by her friend Chantal, when they were young and already engaged.

Caroline start dating Ernst when he was still married to Chantal. Ernst and Chantal separeted and divorced later. Chantal ask the divorce saying that her husband was cheating her with an "unknown woman", though Chantal and everybody knew it was Caroline.

Though Caroline is Pauline's Godmother, have you seen a pic of Caroline with Stephanie's kids lately?

I am a big fan of the family, but I believe that many of the things thekla wrote about all the members of the family are the truth.
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I read Princess Grace invited Ernst to the Palace in the hopes he and Caroline would hit it off except she didn't want any part of match mating and married Junot.
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I read Princess Grace invited Ernst to the Palace in the hopes he and Caroline would hit it off except she didn't want any part of match mating and married Junot.
I don't know which is the truth, but I read an interview to Ernst and he said it was not true and that probably Princess Grace would have never liked to have him as her son in law because he said he was really a "bad" boy at the time.

Prince Alessandro Ruffo di Calabria, who dated Chantal after her divorce, said on an interview on magazine Chi, that Chantal introduced Ernst to Caroline when they were already engaged and that they hadn't met before.
Anyways, I hope we are not off topic.

I agree that what is missing in Monaco is a unified family.
I wish I could see a pic of all of them, with all the children, like all the other Royal families.
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Caroline was not hunting for a husband, she dated an unknown French actor for 5 years, which i don´t think provides any social status, if she had liked belonging to this exclusive royal circle she could have done it much earlier, she has been a friend of Ernst and other European princes since her youth, so your conclusion is totally wrong,and about "steeling a husband", you don´t steel what someone does not "own" anymore.
As for Stephanie, she has lived her life as she wanted, and not as imposed for anyone, that´s good for her, and it doesn´t make her more or less intelligent. I don´t agree about her kids being rejected by the family, which part of the family? If you mean Caroline, she´s Pauline´s godmother, just to remind.
It is nice that Caroline is Pauline's godmother. I didn't know it. If only we have pictures of the whole clan, as giov said. That would be so nice. Everyone together, all of Rainier's descendants and Antoinette's family too: children, grandchildren, no matter to being legitimate offspring or not, so definitely include Jazmin and Alexandre and Camille in that wish. I think Albert would find that public opinion about him would skyrocket if only he were seen, just the tiniest bit, to be a real dad to his kids. Just that would go so far towards putting the "family" back in Princely Family.
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The negelctance of Stephanie's kids is obvious:
1) The worst: Not allowing them to attend Rainier's funeral. How painful must it have been for Stephanie to see EA's sons being there and behaving like grandchildren (walking around the coffin with candles - that was really disgusting)

2) No obvious social encounter between the cousins.

2) Not allowing Stephanie's kids to attend any official event. But Caroline pushes her kids to the front row like they are the legitimate heirs to the throne

I think marrying EA might have been out of love but probably with a second thought. Being a royal heighness brings her back to the royal carpet, with the status of a once divorced widow with 3 kids she was slipping out of this society.

BTW - Charlotte is living and working in London now. Wouldn't she be a perfect match for William - agewise and with the royal background of her stepfather? I doubt that Caroline doesn't have those second thoughts she's just too status conscious - probably worse than her mother


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only one in this family who doesn't have that status consciousness is Stephanie - and she paid her toll.
On the other hand was it necessary to choose so low?
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I see it in the exact opposite way: Stephanie, due to the free pass she often had with her father and family, has had the option to shade her kids form the public life, while CAroline, due to her role as Monaco's First Lady (which was even more prominent when Stefano was alive and Stefanie was enjoying herself in LA or Paris) had to put her kids in the spotlight since they were born. That's something she obviously regretted and as soon as she could, she took them away from Monaco and "hid" them in St Remy, avoiding also interviews and posed photos.
I see it like this: Steph had a choice, Caro (in the beginning, I'm not talking about now) didn't. Stefano often commented on how both Caro and himself regretted this state of things!
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The negelctance of Stephanie's kids is obvious:
1) The worst: Not allowing them to attend Rainier's funeral. How painful must it have been for Stephanie to see EA's sons being there and behaving like grandchildren (walking around the coffin with candles - that was really disgusting)

2) No obvious social encounter between the cousins.

2) Not allowing Stephanie's kids to attend any official event. But Caroline pushes her kids to the front row like they are the legitimate heirs to the throne

I think marrying EA might have been out of love but probably with a second thought. Being a royal heighness brings her back to the royal carpet, with the status of a once divorced widow with 3 kids she was slipping out of this society.

BTW - Charlotte is living and working in London now. Wouldn't she be a perfect match for William - agewise and with the royal background of her stepfather? I doubt that Caroline doesn't have those second thoughts she's just too status conscious - probably worse than her mother


The only one in this family who doesn't have that status consciousness is Stephanie - and she paid her toll.
On the other hand was it necessary to choose so low?
#1 She could have allowed her children to attend the funeral Stephanie choose not to. Their ages might have had something to do with it as well I'm not sure.
#2 It's Stephanie's choice. And Caroline's children until Albert has a legitimate heir are the rightful heirs to the Throne after her. It's the same situation for them as it was for the de Massy's until Rainier had children.
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