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Old 07-03-2010, 10:49 AM
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No problem...I think he had been privately giving her financial support over the years, but had never actually met her until then, and even then it was through his lawyer. And I agree-13 years is a long time to wait.
Actually, since you gave me the information, perhaps you can answer a question it brought up for me. When they met I assume it was in the United States or some other "neutral" area. Has Jazmin ever been to Monaco?
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Old 07-03-2010, 10:57 AM
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As previously stated in other threads, we don't know what type of relationship Albert has with Jazmin and Alexandre. Unless someone has proof (i.e. recent pictures) of Albert with Jazmin and/or Alexandre, we are NOT going to discuss the relationship (or lack of one) that Albert has with his children here.

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Old 07-03-2010, 11:36 AM
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What's missing from Monaco? Class and dignity come to mind
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Old 07-03-2010, 01:17 PM
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The Souvreign Prince's own family is missing. Albert has sisters, nephews and nieces, but he needs his own family. And it seems he's going for it with his upcoming wedding.
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Old 07-03-2010, 04:20 PM
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# 223 Sustav -

Class and dignity are a good starting point. These two could conceivably be supplied by Princess Caroline, but who else could?

The Principality is in the same boat as most countries - money rules ok.
Class and dignity are regarded as an extra.
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Old 07-03-2010, 04:46 PM
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What's missing from Monaco? Class and dignity come to mind
Monaco is probably just the way the citizens want it. Monaco is and will always be different from other places. It is an enclave for the rich and well to do. If someone doesn't like the place - don't follow what is going on.
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Old 07-03-2010, 06:11 PM
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Monaco is probably just the way the citizens want it. Monaco is and will always be different from other places. It is an enclave for the rich and well to do. If someone doesn't like the place - don't follow what is going on.
Not looking to argue, but isn't this a discussion forum? If I am wrong, please inform me.

In two other threads the super moderator posted a strong (not harsh, just strong) saying we would not be discussing Prince Albert's relationships with his children. I can respect that and look forward to a thread on the good/bad parenting skills of Albert and other royal parents. If it never materializes, I accept that.

But that directive smells of censorship. Your post, grevinnan, is a valid point which I can agree with...until you tell the other poster "If someone doesn't like th place - don't follow what is going on." Many of us have our favorite royals and royal families which we may choose to criticize or not. I personally like the Swedish royals and follow them the most. When others have criticized any of them, I may not agree but I don't post a response telling them to keep their opinions to themselves or to not follow the Swedes.

I actually welcome differing opinions because it may inform me of information I previously had wrong or wasn't aware of, or it helps me to look at my own opinion, why I feel/think/believe the way I do, and affords me the opportunity to change that opinion or validates it for me.

Again, I hope that you and others don't see this as an argument. I only have concerns about the chilling effect on discourse in this forum.

Feel free to disagree with me, feel free to express that, you may feel that my opinion is wrong - but please don't tell me that my opinion is unwelcome.
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Old 07-03-2010, 06:43 PM
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Rascal, I'm sure you are as welcome as anyone, here in TRF.

Personally I haven't been aware of outright censorship. If I had, I wouldn't be here...

I look forward to more contributions from you because you write well !
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Old 07-03-2010, 07:16 PM
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Thanks for the response and compliment Renata. I agree with you that there hasn't been to my knowledge censorship per se in the forums. In fact, I think that Zonk and the other moderators do an outstanding job of keeping it all together, LOL. I only make the point because the statement was made on more than one thread and implied that criticism of Monaco royals could not include discussion of the known/unknown details of Albert's relationship or lack of relationship with his out-of-wedlock children. That is not necessarily censorship, but other, particularly newer, posters may read that and feel like they shouldn't post at all for fear that their opinion will be invalid..which in MY OPINION (lol) is not the case!

At any rate...happy posting to all!!!!
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Old 07-03-2010, 10:40 PM
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I think the moderators have to be careful as to what is being said. PC loves to sue the press. I don't know how they treat forums. Sometimes the lines are blurred between opinion and slander.
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Old 07-04-2010, 01:48 AM
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A discussion board is no different from any other gathering of people, be it at work, around the dinner table, at a club or at your boss' dinner table. There are many ways of saying that something is not to your liking without being negative. To claim that Monaco does not have class or dignity is an insult to its citizens. If someone does not care for Monaco than that is all that needs to be said "I don't care for Monaco". Once you have brought a negative tone to any conversation or discussion it takes a different turn. Being on a discussion board does not mean that one can express whatever comes to mind, not anymore than other situations in ones life.

Would anyone joins a golf discussion board if you thought the game silly and dumb? Would anyone go to a restaurant where you thought the food terrible, poorly prepared and serving stuff you do not like? Probably not. The same for any discussion board - get involved in the ones where you do not have to be negative. To express your opinions in a positive light even when you don't find something to your liking is a very usable social skill.

Monaco is a lovely place and if the people there wanted it different if would happen. They are not ruled by a dictator.
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Old 07-04-2010, 08:41 AM
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Hi, grevinnan, and thanks for responding. I obviously have given you the wrong impression about my views of Monaco - the country - which you have defended above. Please rest assured that my previous posts were perhaps answering a different question than was posed at the beginning of the thread. My assumption, as this is The Royal Forums, was that the question "What's missing in Monaco?" was specifically meant to address the royals in Monaco and that is question I answered. I don't know anyone from Monaco so I can't speak to the character of the people there. Based on everything I have read, they seem no better or worse than any other people in any other country. As far as the country itself, I have seen many photographs, film clips, and television programs and am convinced it is one of the most beautiful places in Europe. As a huge tennis fan, I watch the tournament held there every year and enjoy seeing the view from the stadium. In addition, I believe Prince Albert and his cousin, Elisabeth de Massy, are extremely effective in presenting the awards to the finalists.

In response to your suggestion of posting "I don't care for Monaco" and leave it at that, I agree one can state their position on any particular issue in this concise manner. On a discussion board, however, I have witnessed MANY postings of this nature that generate countless responses as to why the original poster felt that way. In fact, I feel that this concise posting without any supporting opinion/facts/etc. is rather empty and a disservice to a discussion board. Otherwise the moderators could just change it to nothing but a poll forum with everything being "do you like it?" or "do you not like it?".
Even your original description of this discussion board being like any other gathering of people in any other setting wouldn't fit in with your suggestion of merely stating one's pro/con on a particular person, country, issue. That is not a discussion. It is an election/poll/focus group, and has a completely different function than a group of people around the water cooler at work, around the dinner table, in an internet discussion forum.

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To express your opinions in a positive light even when you don't find something to your liking is a very usable social skill.
True, but it can also be misleading, fake, dishonest, and manipulative.

Lastly, I apologize if my comments are negative to you. I try as much as possible to not make judgements about people, but rather about their actions and the choices they make. I am not anti-Monaco, anti-Albert, or anti-any of them. I sincerely wish for and hope that they all find peace and happiness. I am a spiritual person and actually said a prayer for this family (none of whom I know) when Prince Rainier died. And I honestly believe they could lead much happier, fulfilled, "positive" lives as the choices they make have resulted in some of the drama and tragedy they experience in life and therefore were preventable.

Because of my own experiences/history/prejudices I will continue to have strong feelings about infidelity/adultery/lack of parenting and about public figures who display poor behavior/attitudes. And I may choose to post an opinion that you or any other person may find negative. And if the issue is not that important to me, I will follow my own suggestion of not posting a response. But I will always welcome a disagreement with my views or a differing opinion, whether I respond or not.
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Old 07-04-2010, 09:24 AM
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The last few posts (by Rascal, Grevinnan, FanofMonaco and others) show that there is a degree of intelligent, thoughtful, stimulating and insightful posting going on, and we can be proud of this, here on TRF, I think.

Long may it continue...
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Old 12-06-2010, 06:52 AM
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Now that Monaco will get its Princess to go with its Prince, is there still anything missing from Monaco ???
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Old 12-06-2010, 11:43 AM
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A legitimate Heir. Hopefully they get busy with that this year after the wedding!
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Old 12-06-2010, 11:53 AM
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A legitimate Heir. Hopefully they get busy with that this year after the wedding!
I wonder what will happen if they have only daughters.Than could Andrea Casiraghi access to the throne?
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Old 12-06-2010, 11:59 AM
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I think under the new constitution it would go to PA's daughter. If PA has no heirs the throne would go to PC first, then Andrea.
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