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Old 07-27-2009, 02:12 PM
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You're very welcome. Should you want more substantial information, do read Christian de Massy's book, Palace. Many of the Grimaldi supporters have denounced this book, as it mentions critical accounts especially against Rainier (and even Caroline). But I found the book very entertaining and satisfying, especially since Christian had nothing but praises for his aunt Grace. He wrote that only Grace was the member of the Grimaldis who had compassion and heart, and admitted he was jealous of his cousins for having Grace as their mother.:)
I read the book- he comes across as a spoiled and unappreactive child!
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Perhaps he just preferred living a "normal" life.
Stephanie did the same, after all, when she temporarily abandoned the life of a princess, got involved with the circus, and lived in the US.
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Old 08-17-2009, 10:53 PM
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Here is a picture of Princess Antoinette's daughter in-law

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Old 08-18-2009, 01:02 PM
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Here is a picture of Princess Antoinette's daughter in-law

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I thought they were divorced? I thought Christian was living in Brazil or somewhere in South America. I know Cecile is active in Monaco charities but again I thought he divorced her a while ago. Does anyone know?

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I read the book- he comes across as a spoiled and unappreactive child!
I would guess they all are spoiled to a certain extent. It would be hard not to be in that situation. There were some huge family issues not only between Rainier and Antoinette but within Antoinette's own family. She married and divorced quite a few times. It's bound to have it's effects on the kids.
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Old 08-18-2009, 04:52 PM
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A picture of Cécile de Massy at one of the "Ladies Lunches" of which she is the President. She comes originally from Guadeloupe.

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Old 11-23-2009, 05:40 AM
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Does anyone know why Cecile is the only one of this bunch 'making the scene'? I think Christian has been married twice since divorcing her (don't know their names or when or anything like that) and I don't think the two had any children (of course I could be wrong, I was thinking his boys were from his last two wives) so why is she being seen but virtually nothing is known about the others? Questions have been asked earlier in the thread about Christian's current whereabouts but no one seems to know.
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does Keith Knecht, grandson of Princess antionette have any children. Plus is their any photos of him and his wife.
Yes, he & his wife Donatella di Guevarra Fabri have four children:
Christine (b.2000)
Alexia (b.2001)
Vittoria (b.2007)
& Andrea (b.2008)

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okay, maybe this has been discussed/mentioned already somewhere...
I was searching wikipedia (I know, I know....) and came across Christian de Massy's page....
Anyone know if he married Cécile twice?
According to wikipedia, he was first married to Maria Marta Quintana y del Carril (Laetizia's mother, married in 1970, divorced in 1978), then to Cécile N(no date or other info given), then to Anne Michelle Lütken (1982-1987, Brice, born 1988...wonder if that would technically put Brice out of the succession due to his parents having been divorced at his birth....?) then to Cecile de Massey(I'm assuming that's a spelling error, and there's no marriage or divorce date, one son, Antoine, 1996 or 1997).
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I've corrected a few bits in the Wiki articles, and I'll try to flesh out some more data.

There are Wikipedia articles on Alexandre-Athenase Noghès and Elisabeth-Anne de Massy: Alexandre-Athenase Noghès - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia and Elisabeth-Anne de Massy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If anyone has data which can be used in the articles, please let me know.

(Don't worry, I've been active on Wikipedia since 2002, and a serious contributor with over 10,000 edits)
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This week's Point de Vue has an article about the de Massy's.
It has a family tree of that branch of the Grimaldi family.
Time for an update: found on Wikipedia and updated with info from the article.

Antoinette (born 1920) married 3 times, firstly with Alexandre Athanase Noghès (1916-1999) in 1951 (after their 3 children where born) divorce 1954, secondly with Jean Charles Rey (1914-1994) in 1961 divorce in 1973, thirdly with John Gilpin (1930-1983) who died a few weeks after the marriage

She has 3 children, 6 grandchildren and 6 great-grandchildren



The Point de Vue article is about Charlene and the de Massy's.
She went skiing with Donatella and was photgraphed with little Vittoria.
Donatella also accompanied to South Africa.
And she knows Cecile from the Ladies Lunch in Monaco.
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My understanding has always been that the granting of the title Baronne de Massy by Prince Rainier was a personal one, only for Antoinettes lifetime and not hereditary in her family. The purpose was to give her children a surname other than their fathers. Although Christian uses the title of Baron, or is at least sometimes called Baron, it is a title that is not really his to use.
Does anyone have any information on this title.
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Old 03-10-2011, 01:27 PM
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Prince Rainier gave the tittle of Baronne de Massy to her sister, but this title is not hereditary. On the biograpfhie of the three chidren they are called De Massy. The third wife of Christian is called Cecile De Massy.Elizabeth Ann is sometimes called Baronne De Massy,sometimes called De Massy.The third Child is dead of a leucemia and her first husband was also a nephew of Princess Grace called Charles Wayne Knecht,her son is the husband of Donatella That Point De Vue spoke about.
But, We saw Donatella untill the last national fest, she is always Charlene she was behind her during the mass and in the lodge at the event of the evening in the forum, She was with her at the sell of the christmas tress charity, she was also behind her at the Sainte Devote Mass, she also wore the black mantille, I think she is also her assitant
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Old 03-24-2011, 10:01 AM
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Beautiful portraits

..Some really nice portraits of Princess Antoinette and family..

Princess Antoinette, MC, 1970

Princess Antoinette with daughter Elisabeth Anne, MC, 1970 (strong resemblance with Melanie)

Princess Antoinette with children, MC, 1970

With children, pic No.2

Young Christine-Alix de Massy

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Christian was at his mother's funeral.
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Does anyone know if they reconciled?
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Very touching pics the last 2 added. I think Stephanie is kind of close to her because she's always next to her in functions. It was nice to see all the family together on Tuesday.
I've often wondered if Princess Stephanie has some of the personality genes that Princess Antoinette had. Their lives seem to have taken parallel paths, similar life choices.
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Agree. Princess Charlotte also.
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Re: Stephanie
I can see the parallel with Princess Charlotte. Antoinette too, yes. But I think more so, Princess Charlotte.
It is so funny that this came up here because earlier today I just started writing an article about Stephanie! It was totally random. I am not even writing it for anything. I just saw something on Stephanie, and I started writing about ...... oh you know, how really awesome she is. And I totally made the Princess Charlotte comparison, before I even saw these posts from agogo & fan.
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3.28.11: Stay at home | New York Social Diary

Interestin article/commentary on her obituary.
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The de Massy cousins at Grace and Rainier's wedding (the 3 kids on the right)
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The de Massy cousins at Grace and Rainier's wedding (the 3 kids on the right)
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Thanks for this. Grace and her sister Peggy were extremely beautiful.

It is worth noting too that Christine Alix was married to Wayne Knecht, who was related to the Kellys. Christian De Massy wrote this on his book, and Princess Antoinette apparently was pleased with this connection. The book does not specify though the degree of the relation.

However, there is a post on the Grace Kelly board on ancestry.com that states that Wayne Knecht's mother is Evelyn Elaine Gruice who apparently was Princess Grace's first cousin and is implied to be on her mother's side.

Re: Grace Kelly+Princess of Monaco - General - Family History & Genealogy Message Board - Ancestry.com
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