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Old 04-05-2008, 07:22 PM
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The German mag BUNTE (print - therefore I don't have a link) acutally praised Caroline for her choice of dress. They said something like this beautiful ageless woman ( thanks to botox and whatever) Caroline wore the headturner of the evening, sexy, thrilling, and looked great thanks to her regal attitude After reading through this thread I can honestly say that at least 95% of all posters (including me) or even more found her choice cheap, hideous and not appropriate at all. But BUNTE always knows better regarding Monaco, heralding an upcoming engagement between PA & CW for months now. Despite no announcement they call her the quasi finacee who does not want to / need to make an engagement official because they are in love anyway and everybody knows Regarding Caroline I am not surprised, not only because she belongs to the Monaco clan who enjoys unexceptional sugary coverage in BUNTE but they also have a soft spot for these "ageless" women around their 50ies, such as Caroline, Sharon Stone or german actress Iris Berben, constantly praise them by making people believe that their looks are purely down to happiness in life and 3 litres of Evian water per day and that any woman should look like these role models of today's society who look and behave like 20 year olds when they are already 50 plus. If you take a closer look you can easily see that this is far from the truth, even despite the heavy airbrushing of the pics, and that denying one's age can look truly embarrassing.

I've got to stand up for P. Caroline her because no one can say her appearance was down to an easy life, because well her life hasn't been easy. She may have a little help from the cosmetic surgeon, but whatever. She certainly does not act like a 20 year old though, she has always, since her mothers death, acted very maturely, as far as I can tell.
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Old 04-05-2008, 08:04 PM
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Well, I have to question whether Princess Caroline has had cosmetic treatments or surgery. Actually - and this is NOT an insult - her skin looks to be aging as it would for someone in their late 40s-early 50s. She doesn't appear to have that "plastic" or "waxy" look that women do when they have had too much botox, or have their skin pulled so tight by plastic surgery/face lifts they just don't look 'real' anymore. She appears not to have had those treatments, and certainly has not had her lips done, either (or her breasts, for that matter) - which are usually the three things that are done 1st, when people want to look younger. She has natural lines on her face, which makes her look natural and REAL, not like some waxed doll or a freak. Certainly, Stephanie has not had any surgery - with all the sun and tanning treatments she's had - neither woman strikes me as the type who is uncomfortable with their looks. I think they're quite confident - Princess Caroline was certainly confident enough to wear that dress w/out support...that says a lot about how comfortable she is with her natural figure. I admire her for that, alone!
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Old 04-06-2008, 07:11 PM
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BUNTE link: BUNTE – Das Heft Nr. 15: Inhaltsverzeichnis - BUNTE
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Old 04-06-2008, 07:34 PM
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Old 04-06-2008, 11:36 PM
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I don't think that Caroline wearing almost transparent dress during Rose Ball says something positive about her self confidence. Yes, woman wearing such a dress that shows her not young body has ill advised confidence. IMO no woman should wear so transparent dress at any event. It may look OK on catwalk but not at official event. But I know that Caroline has a good taste in general, so I think she just made a mistake.
I think this year theme was difficult. It is not easy to find outfit matching the Movida theme and not tacky in the same time. It seems like quite a lot of women had a problem with it this year.
The event seemed to have really good decoration, but we could not see a lot of it in pics or in video clips. They should give this event better media coverage.
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Old 04-07-2008, 11:18 AM
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I don't think that what a woman wears at an event like the Rose Ball should have anything to do with whether she is confident with her natural figure or not. It should not have to do with her(self), but with the dignified image she needs to project about the principality she represents. A higher interest should take precedence over such personal considerations and vanity.

This being said, women can't win: they dress their age, and might be called matronly or dowdy. They dress to show off their still youthful figure, and they are said to try and look (unsuccessfully of course) younger than they are. They get cosmetic surgery and become the laughing stock for the natural-looking coalition. They let their wrinkles show and all their sins (sun, smoking) are thrown into their faces as just retribution for their carelessness.
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Old 04-07-2008, 11:45 AM
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This being said, women can't win: they dress their age, and might be called matronly or dowdy. They dress to show off their still youthful figure, and they are said to try and look (unsuccessfully of course) younger than they are. They get cosmetic surgery and become the laughing stock for the natural-looking coalition. They let their wrinkles show and all their sins (sun, smoking) are thrown into their faces as just retribution for their carelessness.
Yeah true.
I prefer women who look like their lifestyle, in this case Stephanie. She has lots of wrinkles and looks much older but that's authentic about her. Everybody knows that Caroline has been and still is a heavy smoker over many decades. She would look even worse than her younger sister without whatever treatment she had. But, of course she still looks lightyears better than many other women around Monaco whose body parts have different age records, eg Ivana Trump or Baroness Brandstaetter.
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Old 04-07-2008, 06:55 PM
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Well, I have to question whether Princess Caroline has had cosmetic treatments or surgery. Actually - and this is NOT an insult - her skin looks to be aging as it would for someone in their late 40s-early 50s. She doesn't appear to have that "plastic" or "waxy" look that women do when they have had too much botox, or have their skin pulled so tight by plastic surgery/face lifts they just don't look 'real' anymore. She appears not to have had those treatments, and certainly has not had her lips done, either (or her breasts, for that matter) - which are usually the three things that are done 1st, when people want to look younger. She has natural lines on her face, which makes her look natural and REAL, not like some waxed doll or a freak. Certainly, Stephanie has not had any surgery - with all the sun and tanning treatments she's had - neither woman strikes me as the type who is uncomfortable with their looks. I think they're quite confident - Princess Caroline was certainly confident enough to wear that dress w/out support...that says a lot about how comfortable she is with her natural figure. I admire her for that, alone!
I agree that both women seem comfortable in their own skin, which is great. But I remember a photograph taken by the great Yousuf Karsh on the occasion of Princess Grace's 40th birthday. It was taken in the Palace's atrium, in profile. There are many photos of Grace over the years that literally took my breath away and this was one of them. I so wish I knew how to post photos. Her skin was flawless, perfect. The difference between Grace's skin in her 40's and her daughters is just remarkable.

In all fairness to Princess Caroline, it was not until VERY recently that she began to show her age. Stephanie on the other hand started to "hit the wall" as we say here in sunny Calif at least ten years ago, IMO.
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Old 04-07-2008, 09:38 PM
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Well they're, in essence, French, and wearing black to formal occasions is common, but yes a dab of colour would be good. The Pale Pink dress that charlotte wore in 2006 was lovely, and uplifting. I think they both need to wear a different fashion house, I mean Chanel's cocktail style dresses are cute, and very understated elegance, but the ball gowns are often less then inspiring.
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Old 04-07-2008, 11:15 PM
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Whats up with Karl Lagerfeld and those sunglasses? The man wears them everywhere <removed speculation - tbhrc>. I don't know how he can stand wearing them in the dark.
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Old 04-08-2008, 09:29 AM
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we may shop in chanel but we dream in Elia Saab.
Well Eli Saab has a massive store in Paris, and he does do a Couture collection, so if they like they can where him too. I think they both need to branc out a bit. It's a bad thing to stick to, one anything, your entire life.
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Old 04-08-2008, 04:40 PM
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Caroline looked like a drag queen (no disrepect meant to drag queens) in one of Almadovars movies. If I went to pick up a date for an event like the Rose Ball and found her dressed like that I would have gone stag. It was grotesque, especially on a woman of a certain age. The original version was only marginally better. She will certainly appear on several worst dressed lists at year end.
I kept thinking that I would see a more flattering photo of Caroline somewhere but I'm still waiting. I thought it looked like an old lingerie set instead of an evening dress. I've seen her dress better, what is the excuse for this horror? By the way--to the poster who made a reference to Rocky Horror--perfect!
All the drag queens I've ever seen here in Atlanta look better, they wouldn't have a saggy bosom (wear undergarments or have support built into the dress--isn't couture supposed to do that? At least be a well constructed garment).

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I`m not sure but I think Charlottes dress is also see through. You can see her panties in this pic. Mister Lagerfeld really should get busted for this ball desaster. :)

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Has no one heard of proper undergarments any more? Wear a slip if the dress isn't lined but as I said earlier I would have expected couture to be lined/supported if undergarments were not required.
My mom would slap me silly if I didn't have hose/slip/bra included when leaving the house.
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Old 04-08-2008, 09:30 PM
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Princess Caroline has always dressed to express herself and/or play a part. The rebellious daughter in revealing attire that made her mother uncomfortable, the dutiful daughter dressing appropriately for Royal duties after Princess Grace passed away, the happy young wife and mother, the grieving widow who cut her hair off and eschewed make-up, the devoted mother in St. Remy de Provence casually dressed to walk her children to school, the resurgence of Royal when she started seeing Prince Ernst. With this dress it seems another rebellion is in order. Against who, I wonder? Prince Albert? She's been the leading lady of Monaco for far longer than I think she would have chosen. She's always said she didn't have a choice when it came to her career, her future, maybe she's making a choice now.

Or she just liked the dress and doesn't really give a *&$#& what anybody else thinks. But no, that's more of a Princess Stephanie attitude. I think Princess Caroline does really care what people think.
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Old 04-09-2008, 12:01 PM
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Princess Caroline has always dressed to express herself and/or play a part. The rebellious daughter in revealing attire that made her mother uncomfortable, the dutiful daughter dressing appropriately for Royal duties after Princess Grace passed away, the happy young wife and mother, the grieving widow who cut her hair off and eschewed make-up, the devoted mother in St. Remy de Provence casually dressed to walk her children to school, the resurgence of Royal when she started seeing Prince Ernst. With this dress it seems another rebellion is in order. Against who, I wonder? Prince Albert? She's been the leading lady of Monaco for far longer than I think she would have chosen. She's always said she didn't have a choice when it came to her career, her future, maybe she's making a choice now.

Or she just liked the dress and doesn't really give a *&$#& what anybody else thinks. But no, that's more of a Princess Stephanie attitude. I think Princess Caroline does really care what people think.

lea-this is agreat post and you make some excellent, thoughtful points. I never thought of it that way, the Princess dresses to reflect her attitudes and moods during certain periods of her life.

Caroline is an overall success when it comes to clothes. I happen not to like this particular dress, but the overall effect is the same. She is a style icon.
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Old 04-09-2008, 12:39 PM
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Lea, I think she just dressed to play a part. Anything else.
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I'm posting the link to Pedro Almodóvar's blog (LadyMacAlpine posted it in the Albert and Charlene Current Events Thread) here so that everyone can read what he had to say. Discussions about Albert and Charlene should go on in their thread:

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Old 04-10-2008, 06:08 AM
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heiii in photos section you can see the charlotte's complete dress hehe
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Old 04-10-2008, 02:17 PM
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I don't need to comment on the blog it speaks for itself, but I like the photos that he included, I wish there were more! What can I say, I'm a visual person!
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What went wrong, fashion wise with Caroline. Charolette looked stunning, dress, make up & hair but overall made her look way older than her age. Charlene looked nice, its nice she stood out. Pictures of dancing are lovely, also liked the ones of Charolette arriving with her friends.
caroline etc. has to make sure that noone is wearing anything similar. she looks young enough to get away with the outfit at this stage of her life so guess she is making the most of it; i love it because it's so very different and what about that ruby and diamond ring heart shaped!!! i also loved the roses on her shoes!! charlotte looked exquisite, beautiful tailoring and material in her jacket and a lovely fresh dress underneath. charlene looked lovely but did u notice not one scrap of jewelry and she got away with it too, which speaks volumes for her. someone has helped her with her false eyelashes; i notice caroline and charlotte are not into that, thanks heavens. thanks so much for the pictures of the ball to all concerned.

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Just looking at the 1st & last videos posted earlier & it seems Caroline was conscious of perhaps revealing too much up top when you look at her hand gestures. I dread to think how she might have looked when she first emerged from sitting in the limo on the way to the ball
i agree. caro was very conscious of the top part of her dress, putting her hands up in front etc. noticeable in the photos also. they sunbake topless over there - it's not big deal to them.

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No it's not a stretch. Please refer to my early post above. The Rose Ball is traditionally a COSTUME BALL. This year's theme was Movida a time period in the 1980's Spain and cultural events taking place at that time. .
yes it was a COSTUME BALL!! SPANISH!! the small bolero jacket charlotte wore is styled along the lines of a bull fighter jacket. Like alot of costume parties, not everyone dresses in a them, which is a shame - i have experienced that in holding fancy dress parties.
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Old 04-18-2008, 10:47 AM
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yes it was a COSTUME BALL!! SPANISH!! the small bolero jacket charlotte wore is styled along the lines of a bull fighter jacket. Like alot of costume parties, not everyone dresses in a them, which is a shame - i have experienced that in holding fancy dress parties.
Are you sure that it is a Costume Ball?
I think it is a Ball with a theme, but that doesn"t mean that the guests are requested to wear costumes. So, this year, as the theme was the movida, I guess they should have worn " Spainishish" dresses, but not costumes.
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