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Old 08-05-2012, 03:31 PM
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I have idolized Caroline since I was a child. I think she could light up Hades if she ever made an appearance.

As for Albert and Charlene, they are not everyone's cup of tea but yes...in their own way they do set off a kind of glamour, imo.

It's Monaco. No matter what, the Principality and it's rulers will always leave a little stardust...at least for me.
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Old 08-05-2012, 03:40 PM
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I had a book Caroline and Stephanie and that was mentioned and if I recall correctly one of the reasons she wanted him to marry was so she would no longer have to fill in as Princess of Monaco (they don't have a First Lady) and could retire with her family. She never wanted the trio to receive a title even though Rainier bestowed the title Duke of Monaco on Stefano.

I don´t think Caroline wanted to retire. If she ever did, this years she realized she cannot. That is why she performs most of the duties of the first lady, yet.
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Old 08-05-2012, 04:02 PM
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I think it is more a matter of - P. Caroline and Stephanie have been there all the last years - as far as I remember. So we are expecting them to be there.
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Old 08-05-2012, 05:02 PM
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For those asking about a link about Stefano and the Duke of Monaco I gave the link in it and it takes you to where it is written in the book review of "Once Upon a Time: Behind the Fairy Tale of Princess Grace and Prince Rainier" By J. Randy Taraborrelli this is the link again.

As I said in my post Monaco does not have a First Lady, Charlene is the Princess Consort of Monaco. There is no reason Caroline can't retire.

The spouse of the sovereing IS the first lady. In case of death, the first daughter takes her place.
And no, Caroline cannot retire, it would be a disaster for Monaco. Not until there is another one to help Albert and take up the Ballet, the Sprign Arts, Amade, the P Pierre Foundation, the P. Grace Foundation and so on, for which speaking French is as essential requirement.
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Old 08-05-2012, 06:25 PM
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The spouse of the sovereing IS the first lady. In case of death, the first daughter takes her place.
And no, Caroline cannot retire, it would be a disaster for Monaco. Not until there is another one to help Albert and take up the Ballet, the Sprign Arts, Amade, the P Pierre Foundation, the P. Grace Foundation and so on, for which speaking French is as essential requirement.
I don't think Charlene is not going to die. And Caroline is hardly a concept of virtue. And why is speaking French, such an obsession?? It, obviously, will go on with Charlene. Princess Grace, at this point, didn't speak French that well and never spoke it unless she had to.
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"First Lady" is a title used in the US and some other republics for the wives of their Presidents. It is not a term applied to the wives of reigning monarchs. No one would ever officially call Queen Sonja the First Lady of Norway or Queen Silvia the First Lady of Sweden. Charlene is Princess Consort of Monaco.
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Old 08-05-2012, 10:05 PM
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I can't speak for the other posters, but I used the term "Premiere Dame" to refer to the Princess of Monaco because I often see her referred to that way in French publications such as Point de Vue and Paris Match.

Before Albert's wedding last year I lost count of the number of times I saw Caroline called Monaco's "de facto Premiere Dame" in those particular magazines.
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I stand corrected.
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Several posts have been moved to the "Stefano Casiraghi, Part II"-thread, please note that this is a thread for the Red Cross Ball only! Thanks!
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An other video

Albert und Charlène auf Kuschelkurs - Royal: News aus den Königshäusern - glanz & gloria - Schweizer Fernsehen[/QUOTE]

Thanks Melina, nice footage of them dancing. Was that a little kiss in there??
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Old 08-06-2012, 08:57 AM
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Some years before the begining of the gala, visit of the prince Albert to the persons which half during the ball (3 photos given by the palace on the official page fb)

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Thanks Melina, nice footage of them dancing. Was that a little kiss in there??
Awwww, a little smoochie -- sweet. They dance well together.
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I think Princess Charlene looked very beautiful! And she and Prince Albert seem to be happy and content! However the ball is not the same without Princesses Caroline and Stephanie, esp Princess Caroline. She brings glamour to the ball. I know people will say, there is no longer a need for her to be there, since Charlene is now married Prince Albert. In response to that....then why are Elisabeth de Massy and her children there instead?!?!
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I think Princess Charlene looked very beautiful! And she and Prince Albert seem to be happy and content! However the ball is not the same without Princesses Caroline and Stephanie, esp Princess Caroline. She brings glamour to the ball. I know people will say, there is no longer a need for her to be there, since Charlene is now married Prince Albert. In response to that....then why are Elisabeth de Massy and her children there instead?!?!
Maybe because they wanted to be there.
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Old 08-09-2012, 10:36 AM
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Baroness of Massy and her children could come to the ball, I do not see why they could not come if the rest of the family was in holidays and could not come.

There was a good mood during this ball, on all the videos (nice matin, monaco channel and so) all the persons who were presents are happy to dance and it is the most important thing in this evening. They are not sad that Princess Caroline, princess stephanie and the rest of the family is not here.
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I think I was misunderstood. I didn't say Elisabeth de Massy and her kids shouldn't be there. I was simply saying that if someone said that Princess Caroline didn't need to be there because Charlene now is the Princess, why would they then NEED to be there.
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I would suggest that they did not NEED to be there but maybe they WANTED to be there so they went. Caroline did not NEED tp be there so she DID NOT go. Stephanie was announced as attending but as yet we do not know why she did not go.
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Old 08-10-2012, 04:35 AM
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Elizabeth of Massy and her children are part of the princely family. She is the daughter of the princess Antoinette who was the sister of Prince Rainier. They are always in the galas in Monaco.
In the year 50, Before the wedding of Prince Rainier, Princess Antoinette was the heir of Prince Rainier and her children were the preomptiv heirs. There were many articles on them in the medias, they were near Rainier at the national fest and so. After the wedding of Rainier and Grace, and after the birth of Caroline and Albert, we did not see them in the medias, neither her mother nor them. There was a new princely family. Even at that times, Princess Antoinette was very beautiful and glamourous and many people wanted to see them
It could be the same thing if Albert and Charlene have children.
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I know exactly who Princess Antionette was and who Elisabeth de Massy are. My whole point was missed yet again. I said I missed seeing Princess Caroline and Princess Stephanie there. I knew someone would take it upon themselves to tell me that there really is no need for Princess Caroline to be there anymore, because Charlene is now THE Princess. And my rebuttal was if Caroline has no need to be there anymore, why would Elisabeth de Massy? Never said she didn't belong there, never said she was not a part of the family, never said she shouldn't want to be there! The point of my comment was I wish Princess Caroline was there. LET'S MOVE ON NOW! THANKS!
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Thanks Melina, nice footage of them dancing. Was that a little kiss in there??[/QUOTE]

I think so. Plus I got the feeling that he sang part of the lyrics for her... Nice.
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