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Old 11-19-2013, 09:29 AM
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Also, Stephanie and Caroline didn't take communion. Was that always so?
Yes I am curious why they didn't take communion.
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Old 11-19-2013, 10:15 AM
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So... No Charlotte ( wich was expected considering she's in the end of her pregnacy and the ceremonies could be somewhat tiring ), no Andrea-Tatiana couple and no Sacha ( I wonder if we will ever get to see that child... )... I'm a bit disappointed...
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Old 11-19-2013, 10:19 AM
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Yes I am curious why they didn't take communion.
if you are divorced you are not allowed to take communion.
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berry, I'm well aware of that fact but Pss Caroline isn't divorced. She still very much married to Ernst.
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Old 11-19-2013, 10:32 AM
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Shame on Princess Charlène , Greeting no-body , looking her Shoes most of the time, passing before the Minister d' Etat without seeing him, keeping her gloves even for receiving the Communion.
Absolutely not a Princesse Souveraine.

On the balcony, She was hidden behind Prince Albert.

This is all benefit for Princess Caroline who was to day the first lady of Monaco.
I noticed that Princess Alexandra was so happy to be there.
Andréa and Tatiana also, but the best was Pierre C.
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Old 11-19-2013, 10:34 AM
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if you are divorced you are not allowed to take communion.
I think someone said they received it last year but I'm not sure.


Divorced people can receive communion as long as they are not remarried. Caroline received an annulment of her first marriage and her second husband died so she can receive communion. I know that Stephanie has been divorced twice but if neither of those marriages were religious ceremonies then she can still take communion(similarly the princess of the Asturias was able to remarry in the church despite her divorce because her first marriage was civil only and did not require a church annulment).


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berry, I'm well aware of that fact but Pss Caroline isn't divorced. She still very much married to Ernst.
But she is divorced from her first husband. The marriage has been annulled by the church so it would not be the reason she didn't take communion.
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Old 11-19-2013, 10:52 AM
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So... no Andrea-Tatiana couple and no Sacha ( I wonder if we will ever get to see that child... )... I'm a bit disappointed...
Andrea & Tatiana attended the Mass ( shown on live feed sat with other members of the family opposite Albert/Charlene/Caroline & Stephanie), but I haven't seen any pics of them on the balcony - perhaps they had to get back to baby
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Old 11-19-2013, 10:54 AM
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Shame on Princess Charlène , Greeting no-body , looking her Shoes most of the time, passing before the Minister d' Etat without seeing him, keeping her gloves even for receiving the Communion.
Absolutely not a Princesse Souveraine.

On the balcony, She was hidden behind Prince Albert.

This is all benefit for Princess Caroline who was to day the first lady of Monaco.
I noticed that Princess Alexandra was so happy to be there.
Andréa and Tatiana also, but the best was Pierre C.
I fail to see Andrea and Tatiana... Were they really there?!? Where?...
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Old 11-19-2013, 10:54 AM
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Yesterday, November 18, Princess Stepahnie handed out the traditional gifts to elderly people at the foyer Rainier III.



** pp gallery: Stéphanie de Monaco : Une princesse simple et toujours accessible **



And here's another gallery of the family's balcony appearance today:


** zimbio/gettyimages: Monaco National Day 2013 - Balcony Parade **
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Old 11-19-2013, 11:12 AM
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if you are divorced you are not allowed to take communion.
Definitely not true. Divorced persons are welcome to take communion in the Catholic Church.

Both Caroline and Stephanie have not taken communion in different periods over the years. Stephanie while she was married to her last husband, for example.

The choice to receive communion or not is very personal. Catholics must still fast one hour before communion. Maybe they both had a late breakfast! Perhaps also neither had been to confession recently and felt the need to do so before. Maybe they felt ill. It is simply a very personal choice. Their reasons are their own. No scandal or weirdness necessary. It is not required for anyone to do so. Attending the mass is enough. Like most Catholics I have also made that decision occasionally and it is common to see persons sitting out during that time.

We do know one thing for certain. They were not prevented from talking communion by the church, the Pope or the priest. Neither has been excommunicated. Neither has been told not to receive the sacrament.
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Old 11-19-2013, 11:14 AM
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if you are divorced you are not allowed to take communion.
Pcs Caroline is NOT divorced. Her first marriage has been annuled by Vatican, she was widowed of Stefano, and she is still married to Prince EA, but since she wed him only by civil wedding, this marriage does not exists towards the Catholic Church.
Pcs Caroline is still Stefano's widow.
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Old 11-19-2013, 11:16 AM
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Am I the only one who notice something wrong with albert and charlene?
Charlene did look a bit somber in the mass but she still does not understand or speak the language, as evidenced by recent videos where she greets everyone at official events in English and still has a translator. Given that everything would be in French she might be a tad uncomfortable.
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Old 11-19-2013, 11:22 AM
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I saw some footage of the presentation of orders within the Palais, but I haven't seen any photos from this part of the celebrations - did this take place today or yesterday? The three Princesses were wearing different outfits to those worn for the Mass - Charlene in grey if I remember rightly, and Caroline looking particularly good. Are there any photos?
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Old 11-19-2013, 11:23 AM
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Royal Blog - Monaco. Sourires et sobriété pour la fête nationale - Paris Match
(Smiles and sobriety at the fête nationale )

From Hola
La ausencia de Carlota y el debut de Tatiana marcan la Fiesta Nacional de Mónaco
(Charlotte's absence and Tatiana´s debut mark the fête nationale of Monaco )

From Semana
http://Carlota Casiraghi, la gran au...onal de Mónaco
(Charlotte, the great absent on the fete national of Monaco )

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http://La mujer de Andrea Casiraghi,...ta celebración
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I saw some footage of the presentation of orders within the Palais, but I haven't seen any photos from this part of the celebrations - did this take place today or yesterday? The three Princesses were wearing different outfits to those worn for the Mass - Charlene in grey if I remember rightly, and Caroline looking particularly good. Are there any photos?
There usually are several medal ceremonies on several days prior to November 19. We may be lucky and get a few pics later on



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** gala.fr gallery: Fête nationale à Monaco **


** pp gallery: Fête nationale de Monaco : Charlene élégante et discrète, un hommage en famille **


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So... No Charlotte ( wich was expected considering she's in the end of her pregnacy and the ceremonies could be somewhat tiring ), no Andrea-Tatiana couple and no Sacha ( I wonder if we will ever get to see that child... )... I'm a bit disappointed...
Tatiana and Andrea did attended the mass.

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if you are divorced you are not allowed to take communion.
But Caroline and Stephanie were both married in civil ceremony and the caro's first religious marirage has been annulled
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So glad Tatiana was there a pity she and Andrea didn´t appeared on the balcony though.
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Who is the priest sitting with Princess Caroline and Stephanie? I've seen him before at other Grimaldi famiily official functions.
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Watching live feed from the presentations at the Palais - Charlene appears to be listening very intently to Albert speaking - I wonder how much she is able to understand.
She understands French perfectly. I am just not sure if she is able to speak it. At her first interview after she was engaged the questions were put to her in French, and she understood them but asked the interviewer if she could give her replies in English.

Also, being divorced has never stopped Caroline and Stephanie from receiving Communion in the past. There could be a couple of personal reasons why they didn't approach the Sacrament today.
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I fail to see Andrea and Tatiana... Were they really there?!? Where?...
here are some pics of them at the mass

http://us.hola.com/imagenes/realeza/...cional11-a.jpg

http://us.hola.com/imagenes/realeza/...cional12-a.jpg
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