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Old 11-30-2015, 02:43 PM
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I thought that a law existing that if Pc Rainier and after him it was no legitimate heir in Monaco, the the State would be attached to France. The law was done to allow Andrea and Pierre Casiraghi to be in line of the throne. I do not know if Pc Rainier knew Jasmin's existence. Pc Albert recognized her after his father's passing.
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I thought that a law existing that if Pc Rainier and after him it was no legitimate heir in Monaco, the the State would be attached to France. The law was done to allow Andrea and Pierre Casiraghi to be in line of the throne. I do not know if Pc Rainier knew Jasmin's existence. Pc Albert recognized her after his father's passing.
That law was changed a fair while ago - sorry, can't remember dates. There was no issue, AFAIK, with Andrea and Pierre, or indeed, Charlotte, inheriting if need be - they were born from a legally recognised marriage.
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Old 11-30-2015, 04:15 PM
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But what happens with a child born out of wedlock with engaged when one of the parents dies in the engagement time (f. e. two days before the wedding take place)? Could there be a legitimation afterwards?
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Old 11-30-2015, 04:29 PM
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That law was changed a fair while ago - sorry, can't remember dates. There was no issue, AFAIK, with Andrea and Pierre, or indeed, Charlotte, inheriting if need be - they were born from a legally recognised marriage.
Not as the constitution stands at the moment. But the Grimaldi family has always valued the expedient option so should the need arise in the future...
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Old 11-30-2015, 05:51 PM
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I thought that a law existing that if Pc Rainier and after him it was no legitimate heir in Monaco, the the State would be attached to France. The law was done to allow Andrea and Pierre Casiraghi to be in line of the throne. I do not know if Pc Rainier knew Jasmin's existence. Pc Albert recognized her after his father's passing.

Jazmin's mother filed a paternity suit against Albert as early as 1992. While he didn't confirm that he was the father until 2006, Rainier would have certainly known of her existence.

He may or may not have known of Alexandre's - Alexandre was born during Rainier's lifetime but that paternity suit didn't begin until after Rainier's passing.

Prior to the 2002 changes to the succession, it was law that if the Prince died without a heir Monaco would become a protectorate of France. The 2002 changes amended things to put more people in the line itself (the siblings and their descendants of the Prince instead of just the Prince's descendants).

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But what happens with a child born out of wedlock with engaged when one of the parents dies in the engagement time (f. e. two days before the wedding take place)? Could there be a legitimation afterwards?

They wouldn't be in the succession. That said, as the Prince(ss) of Monaco has the power to change the succession themselves, if something like that happened and the child was high enough up for it to make a difference (ie if it was Albert's grandchild as opposed to the grandchild of one of his sisters), then they could change the succession to allow for the inheritance.
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They wouldn't be in the succession. That said, as the Prince(ss) of Monaco has the power to change the succession themselves, if something like that happened and the child was high enough up for it to make a difference (ie if it was Albert's grandchild as opposed to the grandchild of one of his sisters), then they could change the succession to allow for the inheritance.
THe law is still that if the Monarch has not got an heir, the state woudl be annexed to France? But I think the changes were that chhildren who were born out of wedlock, could be legitimated by their parents subsequently marrying. (I may be wrong but I think that Stephanie's first 2 chldren were born before she married Ducruet but they then became legitimate when she married him.

But if the couple coudl not marry, then the child would not be legitimate. I imagine though the child could be adopted and thereby made legitimate, but they would probalby only do that if there were no closer heirs.
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When prince Jacques will be the prince sovereign, will princess Caroline, princess Stephanie and their children be out of the line of succession ? Like it was the case for princess Antoinette and her children?
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When prince Jacques will be the prince sovereign, will princess Caroline, princess Stephanie and their children be out of the line of succession ? Like it was the case for princess Antoinette and her children?
I dont see why they would. I think with Rainier, Antoinette wanted out of hte succession..
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When prince Jacques will be the prince sovereign, will princess Caroline, princess Stephanie and their children be out of the line of succession ? Like it was the case for princess Antoinette and her children?
Yes, they will lost their places in the line of succession after Albert's death.

Only descendants of the ruling Prince(ss), his/her siblings and siblings' descendants are in the line.
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Yes, they will lost their places in the line of succession after Albert's death.

Only descendants of the ruling Prince(ss), his/her siblings and siblings' descendants are in the line.
I didn't know that. But wasn't Antoinette' Rainiers sister? so why were her children excluded?
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Yes Princess Antoinette, Baroness of Massy was the older sister of Prince Rainier and along with her children were included in the line of succession to the Monegasque Throne until the death of her brother, Prince Rainier III.

Line of succession to the Monegasque throne

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I didn't know that. But wasn't Antoinette' Rainiers sister? so why were her children excluded?
Her children were excluded after Rainier's death. Now they are cousins (not nephews or nieces) of the ruling Prince.
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Old 09-21-2016, 09:13 AM
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sorry I was confused cos Soemone said after Albert's death. it was after her brother Rainier died in 200? soemthign?
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Old 09-21-2016, 09:34 AM
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Rainier III, Prince of Monaco died on the 6th of April 2005 ,following his death Princess Antoinette and her children lost their place in the line of succession.
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Yes, they will lost their places in the line of succession after Albert's death.

Only descendants of the ruling Prince(ss), his/her siblings and siblings' descendants are in the line.
That is incidentally the same rule, I think, that is currently used in the Kingdom of Norway substituting "the ruling Prince/Princess" by "the ruling King/Queen".
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Old 09-21-2016, 10:22 AM
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afaik they can still inherit the throne if the reigning monarch dosn't leave a heir
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Old 09-21-2016, 11:53 AM
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I can't remember...but if Albert had not had children...wouldn't his heir have been his nephew Andrea?


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Old 09-21-2016, 12:00 PM
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no , princess caroline would had succeed him to the throne if she is still alive then her children would inherit the throne
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Old 09-21-2016, 12:37 PM
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So if Prince Albert dies (not wishing it) and Prince Jacques is still very young , not married and childless, would there be only one person into the line of succession (The princess Gabriella) ?
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Old 09-21-2016, 01:28 PM
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Purely theoretical, but should P.Albert and P.Charlene divorce and P.Albert remarry the mother of his daughter Jazmin (or his son's mother for that matter).... would Jazmin then be elligible to be in the line of succession?
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