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Old 12-14-2014, 09:20 AM
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A regent will have to be established, but that isn't automatically the mother. In othe european countries provisions were made should the situation occur, if that hasn't happened yet in Monaco, i'm sure they will do so in due time (imo P.Albert is a very professional monarch, he won't leave things like this to chance)

I could see P.Caroline as regent too, or Pierre Casiraghi, or maybe Charlene herself; i have a feeling this birth will change more for her than just having two kids

I hope nothing happens to Albert of course but I guess this things should be panned because no one knows what it might happen in the future... As for Charlene: I don't think she would be a competent regent... don't get me wrong but she hasn't th experience to deal with economy, politics etc... I don't know if you get what I mean...
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Old 12-14-2014, 09:24 AM
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I hope nothing happens to Albert of course but I guess this things should be panned because no one knows what it might happen in the future... As for Charlene: I don't think she would be a competent regent... don't get me wrong but she hasn't th experience to deal with economy, politics etc... I don't know if you get what I mean...
Yes, i know what you mean, at this moment i can't really see it too... but who knows what will happen now this new stage in their life has begun.

In the NL recently it was established that Q.Maxima would be regent, would the situation occur, and Maxima and Charlene seem to be close, so maybe Charlene can take some guidance from here

But ofcourse it would be better if P.Albert had a long and healthy life and would reign until he was well in his 80's
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Old 12-14-2014, 09:28 AM
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Yes, i know what you mean, at this moment i can't really see it too... but who knows what will happen now this new stage in their life has begun.

In the NL recently it was established that Q.Maxima would be regent, would the situation occur, and Maxima and Charlene seem to be close, so maybe Charlene can take some guidance from here

But ofcourse it would be better if P.Albert had a long and healthy life and would reign until he was well in his 80's
I was alsothinking that if this scenario sould presents itself maybe she would be regent just formally and the work would be done behind the scenes by Andrea, Pierre or Caroline etc... Of course, I wish Albert a long life as a monarch!
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Old 12-14-2014, 11:14 AM
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I did not realize Albert was nearly 57. I hope he lives long enough that Jacques can enjoy his youth, and I include his 20's in "youth". I think the idea of regency needs to be extended until the age of at least 25, because people today require that many years in education for such a position; or perhaps a more flexible concept of regency so that the actual sovereign can finish education. It was all well and good for Victoria to take the throne at 18 when college was neither a reality or a necessity.

I hope this is an academic discussion, for all the little heirs out there.
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Old 12-14-2014, 11:45 AM
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PA travels so much I have a feeling that the prime minister is pretty much running the country and PA signs off on it. Also, if anything happens to PA, Charlene will still have team Monaco of PC, PS and their kids. The Grimaldis are very good planners. I'm sure they have thought of all of problems that could happen. That's why they have survived for 700 years.
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Old 12-14-2014, 03:44 PM
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I've often wondered: If Albert passes away when his son is still relatively young (underage) what is ging to happen? I can't see a Charlene's regency... Or better, maybe only as representative but I honestly can't see her doing regular meetings etc...
Princess Charlene would be the regent under the Monegasque house law.

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Pendant la minorité du Prince, la régence est exercée par l'Epouse du Prince défunt qui a la garde de l'Enfant ou, à défaut, par l'héritier majeur le plus proche dans l'ordre successoral.
Google translation: “During the minority of the Prince, the regency is exercised by the late Prince’s wife who has the child's custody or, failing that, the nearest major heir in the order of succession.”
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Old 12-14-2014, 03:50 PM
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So by law Charlene would be regent... But I guess she would be helped A LOT
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Old 12-14-2014, 04:15 PM
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So by law Charlene would be regent... But I guess she would be helped A LOT
Of course, like also Prince Albert II is not the executive: like in all monarchies the daily proceedings are firmly in hands of the Government. In Monaco this is under jurisdiction of the Minister of State, at present the Frenchman Monsieur Michel Roger, and six ministerial departments. There are 4.000 people working for the gouvernement princier. All what the Prince or the eventual Regentess (will) see is fully prepared by the Cabinet.

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To be frank Charlene doesn't even speak the language so forgive me if I'm skeptic
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To be frank Charlene doesn't even speak the language so forgive me if I'm skeptic
She does not need to speak the language. The secretary will give her a document and say "Madame, votre signature.... ici, oui, .... merci bien!"


The daily proceedings in the principality, the rule of law, the supply of energy, the health care, the public services, etc., it will continue to work, even with a Regentess not fluent in French. Note that there have been underaged Sovereigns and the State simply continued to work....

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Mmm I still think there sould someone more apt and woth more experience though
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Mmm I still think there sould someone more apt and woth more experience though
Usually such a regent(ess) is helped by a council, which will also guard the interests of the underaged Prince Jacques, so that the Regentess does not do actions which are infringing the rights of her son and daughter. The daily work in the administration will -as always- be done by the gouvernement princier. No problem.

The young and unexperienced German Princess Emma von Waldeck und Pyrmont turned out to become an exellent Regentess for her underaged daughter, Queen Wilhelmina of the Netherlands. The young and unexperienced German Countess Gloria von Schönburg-Glauchau (a.k.a. as "the Punk Princess") turned out to become an excellent Regentess for her underaged son, Prince Albert von Thurn und Taxis. Both ladies were helped by an excellent board of advisers and both were able to leave their daughter resp. son a smooth working "family business".

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I found this ordonnance signed by Prince Albert on juni 2th 2015.


It stated that if in case of the death or the empechement of the prince sovereign, it would be the prince heridetary who would be the next prince sovereign if he is major , if he is minoe, it would the wife of the former prince sovereign , the mother of the hereditary prince.
There is also an another article who said that the wife of the sovereign receives the monegash nationality the day of her wedding with the prince sovereign.


N° 8228 du VENDREDI 5 JUIN 2015 * Ordonnance Souveraine n° 5.344 du 2 juin 2015 portant statuts de la Famille Souv


In this case nox, it would be the princess Charlene.


I pray that P charlene would never be in this sad case.
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You are right, melina p, according to this ordinance, if P Albert should pass away before P Jacques is of a legal age, P Charlene will become the Regent. But I really do pray that it won't be necessary and that both P Albert and P Charlene will live long enough to see their children grow up and become responsible adults. But it also shows how much confidence the Prince has in his wife to make this stipulation.


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I totally agree. To have a happy life with their twins but must provide everything.
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Old 08-30-2015, 05:42 AM
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It is a similar settlement as what was done in the Netherlands. In the Regency Act 2013, in case of death of King Willem-Alexander and the new Sovereign is still a minor:
- Queen Máxima will be Regentess

In case both King Willem-Alexander and Queen Máxima are dead and the new Sovereign is still a minor:
- Prince Constantijn of the Netherlands will be Regent

In the Netherlands the interests of the minor Sovereign will be guarded by a Board of Trustees. This means that the Regentess or the Regent do not have "free hand". She (or he) can not do acts (like selling properties, jewels, whatever) which are not in the interests of the minor Sovereign. I think there will be a similar provision in Monaco. Princess Charlène, the Regentess for Prince Jacques, can not sell the Château de Marchais in Picardie, or give the jewels away to her South-African family, or distribute the art collections to the Casiraghis. Such a board will step on the brakes and try to defend the interests of the minor Prince. That is very important.
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Ofcourse hopefully this will not have to be used, but I'm a bit surprised in a way that P.Caroline, who I thought was practically as experienced as P.Albert, has no role here

Can't help but feel that her role has changed even more than I thought after the twins were born..
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Ofcourse hopefully this will not have to be used, but I'm a bit surprised in a way that P.Caroline, who I thought was practically as experienced as P.Albert, has no role here

Can't help but feel that her role has changed even more than I thought after the twins were born..
I find it quite normal. I prefer to be the mother of the heir of that aunt or anyone else. On the other hand I think that strengthens thereby its position Charlene. Also for Caroline before the birth of twins she was the heir now is not.
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On the other hand I think that strengthens thereby its position Charlene. Also for Caroline before the birth of twins she was the heir now is not.
Yes, I think that's exactly what it does: strenghten the position of P.Charlene and lessen the position of P.Caroline
But when I compare the experience of both ladies, that did surprise me a bit...

but again: let's hope that P.Albert will be fit and healthy until a very old age and he will have plenty of time to teach P.Jacques well for his new role
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