Monaco's succession issues - Page 15

sirhon11234 · #**281** 03-31-2007, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Henri M.

Really, Andrea does not need 'to rule'.
The is a Government for that, with excellent and capable ministers and secretaries, you know.
They do the 'ruling' in the name of Le Prince.

I was saying when he would become ruler of Monaco.

Henri M. · #**282** 03-31-2007, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by sirhon11234

I was saying when he would become ruler of Monaco.

That was what I meant too.

S.A.R. Le Prince Andrea, Prince Souverain de Monaco does not need 'to rule'.
He will have a Government for that, with excellent and capable ministers and secretaries, you know.
They do the 'ruling' in the name of Le Prince.

acid_rain3075 · #**283** 03-31-2007, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Henri M.

That was what I meant too.

S.A.R. Le Prince Andrea, Prince Souverain de Monaco does not need 'to rule'.
He will have a Government for that, with excellent and capable ministers and secretaries, you know.
They do the 'ruling' in the name of Le Prince.

i think there should be a big IF involved in this whole S.A.R. Le Prince Andrea, Prince Souverain de Monaco business. i mean we don't know if he will even come to the throne or if he'd even want the job in the first place!

Henri M. · #**284** 03-31-2007, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by acid_rain3075

i think there should be a big IF involved in this whole S.A.R. Le Prince Andrea, Prince Souverain de Monaco business. i mean we don't know if he will even come to the throne or if he'd even want the job in the first place!

That is obvious.

But the question was if he should not prepare himself for 'ruling' as good looks only were not seen as sufficient.

acid_rain3075 · #**285** 03-31-2007, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Henri M.

That is obvious.

But the question was if he should not prepare himself for 'ruling' as good looks only were not seen as sufficient.

thats what I was trying to say too.. but whatever nevermind

Ghislaine · #**286** 03-31-2007, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Henri M.

Really, Andrea does not need 'to rule'.
The is a Government for that, with excellent and capable ministers and secretaries, you know.
They do the 'ruling' in the name of Le Prince.

Contrary to most other monachies, the sovereign of Monaco does actually rule. I have no illusions that Albert does more than ribbon cutting and going to balls. JMO

Henri M. · #**287** 03-31-2007, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Ghislaine

Contrary to most other monachies, the sovereign of Monaco does actually rule. I have no illusions that Albert does more than ribbon cutting and going to balls. JMO

Ghislaine, Monaco has 32.000 inhabitants, that is less than the small Dutch municipalities of Hellendoorn in Overijssel or Valkenswaard in North-Brabant. The Prince of Monaco has excellent ministers and secretaries who take care for the administration, the taxes, the police, etc.

Monday morning at the Palais Princier:

(knock knock)

The Prince: 'Entrez'

The secretary: 'Le Ministre de l'État!'

The Prince: 'Ah, monsieur Proust, how are the current affairs?'

The Ministre de l'État: 'Fine monseigneur, it was a calm week.'

The Prince: 'As usual, isn't it monsieur Proust?'

The Ministre de l'État: 'I have three decrees for you, monseigneur: a promotion of the chef of the infrastructure bureau and two retirements of civil servants working at the offices in Fontvieille and La Condamine.'

The Prince: 'Ah, let me sign these then. Anything else, monsieur Proust?'

The Ministre de l'État: 'No, that was it. Merci and have a nice day monseigneur!'

The Prince: 'You too. Bring my greetings to madame Proust.'

That was a day of hard work for the ruler.

Lakshmi · #**288** 04-01-2007, 01:49 AM

Henri M, I bet prince Albert does much more than that.

BurberryBrit · #**289** 06-09-2007, 02:02 PM

Even though this will probably not happen and people don't want to SEE it happen, Albert should just adopt Eric Alexandre and be done with it. Andrea doesn't strike me as being intelligent enough to run a country.

Henri M. · #**290** 06-09-2007, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by BurberryBrit

Even though this will probably not happen and people don't want to SEE it happen, Albert should just adopt Eric Alexandre and be done with it. Andrea doesn't strike me as being intelligent enough to run a country.

Do you really believe royals 'run' a country?
The monegasque Government, equipped with excellent civil servants working in the administration, the justice, the police, etc. runs the country.

With or without the Prince, the trains will ride, the casino will open, the electricity will be supplied, the taxes will be revenued and the criminals will be catched. And if Andrea is not the brightest of all, he will be supported by bright advisors and ministers.

See Paris Hilton: if she was the sole heiress, the Hilton chain will simply go on while miss Hilton is partying and boozing or is in prison.

I'm a monarchist, but let us not exaggarate the importance of royals. Even with or without really powerful men as Putin, Bush or Castro, the nation will go on.

hibou · #**291** 06-09-2007, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by BurberryBrit

Even though this will probably not happen and people don't want to SEE it happen, Albert should just adopt Eric Alexandre and be done with it. Andrea doesn't strike me as being intelligent enough to run a country.

He can't adopt him. Rainier changed the constitution. I 'm sure it is printed on the Royal forum somewhere but basically the heir to the throne must be from a marriage no more adoptions. That means if Albert fails to marry and provide an heir it will go to Caroline and then her children and failing that to Stephanie and her first two children from her first marriage. The youngest is ineligable because she didn't marry the father.

**kimebear** · #**292** 06-09-2007, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by hibou

He can't adopt him. Rainier changed the constitution.

Who's to say that Albert can't change the constitution as well?

hibou · #**293** 06-09-2007, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by kimebear

Who's to say that Albert can't change the constitution as well?

He could try. Right now it appears that his countrymen do not have too much faith in his skills as a leader and given that there are chidren from Caroline and Stephanie I think he will have a very hard time going against his father's wishes as people had enormous respect for Rainier and Albert has yet to earn it.

And then that opens the door for Jazmin who was born before the change in the constitution. What you would have is a royal fight for the throne as Jazmin would have equal claim at that point. I think Rainier was a wise man and saw the hand writing on the wall. He wanted an heir who was brought up within the royal family from the beginning and that leads back to Rainier's wishes for Monaco. Considering how much he looked after his countrymen why would they go against the man whom they referred to as "father".

olga101 · #**294** 06-09-2007, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by kimebear

Who's to say that Albert can't change the constitution as well?

Yes, they can do anything they like. but even if the Prince overcame his whatevers for the outing of the little boy. Which he might. The child is far from being ready. I would like to see again what I saw once in 2005 around outing time. That the Prince had some plans for Alexandre at about 15 years of ago. I think it was spoken by the Prince's lawyer.

Jaya · #**295** 06-09-2007, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by kimebear

Who's to say that Albert can't change the constitution as well?

Oh he can change the constitution ; rip it up and throw it over his shoulder but that is systematic and continuous historical revisionism which causes destabilization.Monaco is about investors who do not want there to be a change every other week.Continuity and stability will lead and not hypothetical situations.

shappica · #**296** 06-10-2007, 09:19 AM

Caroline might have say about this too.
And ultimately I think he could go aganst the people, and if they wouldn't show him trust it would be very unwise to test public oppinion, because he isn't respected as his father, it could create big problems...

WindsorIII · #**297** 06-10-2007, 11:02 AM

From what I understand, as Sovereign Prince, he can change the constitution if he wishes. Its not an easy process, but I think it can be done.

I don't think he ever will change it.

BurberryBrit · #**298** 06-10-2007, 11:54 AM

The question is, do the people want Andrea?

Alex is a child and still has time to be groomed (which I don't think Andrea has been). That's my main reason for him going ahead and adopting him. Perhaps he still thinks he will marry and that's why he hasn't made any step towards the succession issue.