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Old 07-13-2007, 11:54 AM
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I agree, that they all should have been there, but you have to move away from the picture here. If they all would have showed together with Charlene in tow, that would have been a clear message to the media. The exhibition was a family affair of which Charlene is no part. As his wife she would have had every right and duty to be there, though leaving the main spotlight on the siblings. But as his girlfriend she has no place there and if that means that part of the family will not show up in order to not send this message around the world then it would have been only too natural to leave her at home. Albert has once again shown how undiplomatic and pigheaded he is. He is almost 50 and seems to be repeating the mistakes that his father made in his late 20s early 30s. This is the same type of desaster that he managed to create around Alex' recognition. I should have thought that now that he has advice that he would b able to handle these matters better. But obviously I'm wrong.

Btw you are right about Mme Gallico. If she would have been there to help Charlene, she would have been nearby. I suppose she just went to honour her late friend. Besides, she hasn't been at any previous events at her side, events that she always attended.
Thank you paca. That's exactly my point.
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Old 07-13-2007, 12:14 PM
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I agree, that they all should have been there, but you have to move away from the picture here. If they all would have showed together with Charlene in tow, that would have been a clear message to the media. The exhibition was a family affair of which Charlene is no part. As his wife she would have had every right and duty to be there, though leaving the main spotlight on the siblings. But as his girlfriend she has no place there and if that means that part of the family will not show up in order to not send this message around the world then it would have been only too natural to leave her at home. Albert has once again shown how undiplomatic and pigheaded he is.....
I think most people will agree that Prince Albert has truly made a mockery semblance of protcol when he has Charlene accompany and actually preside with him at certain events. I don't think anyone can think of similar examples where other monarchs have done the same. BUT, I think in Albert's mind (it's funny writing that because I really don't think he is thinking with the head on his shoulder), but I think in Albert's mind he has separated his duties into official dutites and leisure ones. Hence, he probably thinks that it's ok to take Charlene to leisure ones. Notice how he separated the St Jean event from the mass and the festival. The problem with that explanation is that there is no line when it comes to appearance. When everyone stands and claps for the Sovereign Prince as he walks into an event (even a leisure one) AND he has Charlene walking in right beside him (even before his Minister of State Proust) he is giving the message that his mistress is now his consort. There's this comedy love story that I love called The American President starring Michael Douglas (playing the American president) and Annette Benning (playing his girlfirend). There's a scene where the President invites his girlfriend to a state dinner with France, but he tells her she cannot walk down the stairs with him during the entrance because of protocol. Of course she undrestands and she meets him after the entrance. At the minmum, this is what I believe that Prince Albert should do at events where he feels that he just have to take Charlene.

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Btw you are right about Mme Gallico. If she would have been there to help Charlene, she would have been nearby. I suppose she just went to honour her late friend. Besides, she hasn't been at any previous events at her side, events that she always attended
Again, I still feel that as Mme Gallico did (and hundreds of others who went to honor Princess Grace at the opening), so should have Princess Caroline - honor her mother. I really do understand the opposing comments (and I am definitely not a Charlene fan), but this exhibition is not about Charlene - it's about Princess Grace. That's the message I wanted Caroline to send. I guess I am bias because I am a Grace Kelly fan (i really didn't follow her life as a Princess) and I think in just her short career she made a couple of pretty good movies that I would like to see another generation of at least Americans enjoy. In America, they still show clips of Grace's movies when ever they rarely mention Monaco (outside of baby mama scandals). In America, Monaco is still attached to Grace's memory for now. All three of the Grimaldis need to present a united front to promote their mother's legacy. When they don't, it just brings to surface more Grimaldi soap operas which, seems to be the only reason they make at least the U.S. press now.
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Old 07-13-2007, 12:16 PM
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I'm catching up on the Monaco threads today, and I'm just surprised at all the "drama" going on with this homage. If the assumptions are true, then I find it kind of sad that the homage has turned into "conflict" among the siblings.

Caroline can really be stubborn when it comes to her siblings' choice of partners - just remember what happened with Stephanie for so long. But I'm also surprised at Albert allowing Charlene to take part; they could see each other anytime, why here at this particular event? I don't expect any discretion from Charlene nor any "scruples" to give way so that there won't be any conflicts. She seems to like her "role" so much to give way to any sense of propriety.

I just hope this is over soon. And yes, I agree with the posts, especially Charlene (or Albert) not getting on the good side of Steph or Caro on this!
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Old 07-13-2007, 12:21 PM
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My Adia, thanks for the videolink. I believe Charlene was at the exhibition too. Albert is greated by a tall blond woman in a redpatterned haltertop dress. It's in the beginning of the video. Steph doesn't seem to pay attention to her at all. The blackdress she wore to the dinner seems to be the one she wore last year to the music festival (with again freshly dyed hair). There is one quick pic of someone speaking at the dinner. Unfortunetely I can't make out whether it is Steph, but other then that I didn't see her at the dinner.
Interesting that all Monegasques have free entrance to the exhibition. Too bad that it is not open long enough for the schools to organize visits. It would be very nice for the students to see too as part of their local history classes.
when you see "journal du soir monaco info" video (thanks My Adia) and when you speak french... you can notice that "Charlene W." word is never said. they speak about party, we can see her.. but nothing... Last year her name was used. "Melle Charlene Witt... accompagnait le Prince Albert".or " Le Prince Albert et Melle C Witt..."
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Old 07-13-2007, 12:25 PM
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I think most people will agree that Prince Albert has truly made a mockery semblance of protcol when he has Charlene accompany and actually preside with him at certain events. I don't think anyone can think of similar examples where other monarchs have done the same. BUT, I think in Albert's mind (it's funny writing that because I really don't think he is thinking with the head on his shoulder), but I think in Albert's mind he has separated his duties into official dutites and leisure ones. Hence, he probably thinks that it's ok to take Charlene to leisure ones. Notice how he separated the St Jean event from the mass and the festival. The problem with that explanation is that there is no line when it comes to appearance. When everyone stands and claps for the Sovereign Prince as he walks into an event (even a leisure one) AND he has Charlene walking in right beside him (even before his Minister of State Proust) he is giving the message that his mistress is now his consort. There's this comedy love story that I love called The American President starring Michael Douglas (playing the American president) and Annette Benning (playing his girlfirend). There's a scene where the President invites his girlfriend to a state dinner with France, but he tells her she cannot walk down the stairs with him during the entrance because of protocol. Of course she undrestands and she meets him after the entrance. At the minmum, this is what I believe that Prince Albert should do at events where he feels that he just have to take Charlene.


Again, I still feel that as Mme Gallico did (and hundreds of others who went to honor Princess Grace at the opening), so should have Princess Caroline - honor her mother. I really do understand the opposing comments (and I am definitely not a Charlene fan), but this exhibition is not about Charlene - it's about Princess Grace. That's the message I wanted Caroline to send. I guess I am bias because I am a Grace Kelly fan (i really didn't follow her life as a Princess) and I think in just her short career she made a couple of pretty good movies that I would like to see another generation of at least Americans enjoy. In America, they still show clips of Grace's movies when ever they rarely mention Monaco (outside of baby mama scandals). In America, Monaco is still attached to Grace's memory for now. All three of the Grimaldis need to present a united front to promote their mother's legacy. When they don't, it just brings to surface more Grimaldi soap operas which, seems to be the only reason they make at least the U.S. press now.
Maybe at this point Caroline can view the exhibition with her children and be photographed so that people understand she is not slighting her Mother. I agree Albert is not thinking correctly.
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Old 07-13-2007, 12:40 PM
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Caroline is doing what she did with most if not all of stephanie lover choices but still she should have showed up and so Steph did snub Charlene at the event ?
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Old 07-13-2007, 12:43 PM
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Found some new photos of Stephanie here:
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Old 07-13-2007, 01:24 PM
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There are still other exhibition openings I guess...several articles I've read (one posted here I think) say that it'll be in Paris, London, and NYC, not sure about Paris and London considering the fact the expo in Monaco ends Sept. 23 and begins Oct. 15 in NYC, but maybe Caroline could show up at the NYC opening. And if there is a Paris expo I'm pretty sure we might see her and her children and friends there.
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Caroline is doing what she did with most if not all of stephanie lover choices but still she should have showed up and so Steph did snub Charlene at the event ?
I didn't know that. But I have to say this. Wasn't she right about the character of Stephanie's choices in men? Maybe Caroline has a special sense of discernement when it comes to people, like her father seem to have. Caroline hasn't snubbed all of Albert's previous girlfriends, so perhaps there are some legitimate reasons. However, I don't agree with shutting out your love ones because you don't like their choices - setting boundaries yes. I really believe that in time scheming people tend to reveal their true selves and motives (unfortunately sometimes it happens after the marriage). In this case, the exhibit is about honoring Princess Grace and Caroline should have been there instead of lying out on a yacht with her family. Imagine if her mother snubbed her when she married her first husband Junot. From what I read, Grace was clearly not happy with her daughter's choice, but she stood by her daughter. And, in short time Junot's true self was revealed to Caroline. Scheming people normally cannot maintain their ill begotten gains once they win the game. Hence, why I feel that Caroline should have sucked up what's ever bothering her and attended the exhibition opening that was ONLY about her mother and her legacy.
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I agree, that they all should have been there, but you have to move away from the picture here. If they all would have showed together with Charlene in tow, that would have been a clear message to the media. The exhibition was a family affair of which Charlene is no part. As his wife she would have had every right and duty to be there, though leaving the main spotlight on the siblings. But as his girlfriend she has no place there and if that means that part of the family will not show up in order to not send this message around the world then it would have been only too natural to leave her at home. Albert has once again shown how undiplomatic and pigheaded he is. ...........
Btw you are right about Mme Gallico. If she would have been there to help Charlene, she would have been nearby. I suppose she just went to honour her late friend. Besides, she hasn't been at any previous events at her side, events that she always attended.
Now Albert is taking her in his luggages...she's not hidden... for the moment.........
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Old 07-13-2007, 02:31 PM
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I didn't know that. But I have to say this. Wasn't she right about the character of Stephanie's choices in men? Maybe Caroline has a special sense of discernement when it comes to people, like her father seem to have. Caroline hasn't snubbed all of Albert's previous girlfriends, so perhaps there are some legitimate reasons. However, I don't agree with shutting out your love ones because you don't like their choices - setting boundaries yes. I really believe that in time scheming people tend to reveal their true selves and motives (unfortunately sometimes it happens after the marriage). In this case, the exhibit is about honoring Princess Grace and Caroline should have been there instead of lying out on a yacht with her family. Imagine if her mother snubbed her when she married her first husband Junot. From what I read, Grace was clearly not happy with her daughter's choice, but she stood by her daughter. And, in short time Junot's true self was revealed to Caroline. Scheming people normally cannot maintain their ill begotten gains once they win the game. Hence, why I feel that Caroline should have sucked up what's ever bothering her and attended the exhibition opening that was ONLY about her mother and her legacy.
A Mother/daughter relationship is different from a sibling one but having said that I see what you are saying. Perhaps Caroline could have made an earlier entrance before Albert to show that she and her family were there and then disappeared before Albert arrived. But the problem was he wanted the grand entrance lined with people like the Queen of England does which would have made it hard for Caroline to do. Also I think if she went and snubbed Charlene people would have commented on that too. Thus she was damned if she did and damned if she didn't and as paca pointed out the press would have had a bigger field day with the event and less and less of it would have been focused on Grace. I think under the circumstances she did the right thing. Sibling issues can be huge and hard to resolve sucking up sometimes no matter what may not be in everyone's best interest and again I blame Albert and his grandiosity of self. The video says it all with the entrance.
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Caroline Standing in her own Truth

I am very proud of HSH Princess Caroline for whatever reasons she has not turned up anywhere. Good for her and her truency. Caro is no hypocrite.She is standing valiantly in her own truth whatever that maybe.Maybe beyond and within there are reasons only she knows about that she does not wish to divulge by being in public and I commend her for that because it takes courage to do what you feel and know is right for you and not acquiesce.
In these hypothetically destabilizing moments Caro is proving to be a dowager and dragon lady and I cannot help but admire someone who is true to themselves first for only then can they be true to Monaco.I think her Princess Grace would be proud of all her three children.
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Old 07-13-2007, 02:51 PM
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Im sorry where it the video of this event at?
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I didn't know that. But I have to say this. Wasn't she right about the character of Stephanie's choices in men? Maybe Caroline has a special sense of discernement when it comes to people, like her father seem to have. Caroline hasn't snubbed all of Albert's previous girlfriends, so perhaps there are some legitimate reasons. However, I don't agree with shutting out your love ones because you don't like their choices - setting boundaries yes. I really believe that in time scheming people tend to reveal their true selves and motives (unfortunately sometimes it happens after the marriage). In this case, the exhibit is about honoring Princess Grace and Caroline should have been there instead of lying out on a yacht with her family. Imagine if her mother snubbed her when she married her first husband Junot. From what I read, Grace was clearly not happy with her daughter's choice, but she stood by her daughter. And, in short time Junot's true self was revealed to Caroline. Scheming people normally cannot maintain their ill begotten gains once they win the game. Hence, why I feel that Caroline should have sucked up what's ever bothering her and attended the exhibition opening that was ONLY about her mother and her legacy.
Caroline does not have to "suck up" anything because she is Princess Caroline a very special person indeed. If this is a critical juncture she may have reasons beyond Charlene or family just thoughts of her mother and perhaps she does not want to dredge the depths. I think it is fabulous that she did not go. She was close to her mom she has the experience the memories everything.She may be privy to other information we do not know. Have you ever considered that it just might be painful for her in more ways than one?Maybe Caro did not like the organization or something of the event.
I think she does not have to go anywhere she does not want to... and I commend her for her truth and honesty.. in an era when women will fly off tall buildings for a tiara....and Caro stands in peace..truth and honour..... having earned these through hard lessons and the right way.
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Yes Jaya, you might be right about other reasons for Caro not to go. Yes she has her memories, good ones and bad ones. They are her memories which no one can take away. We consider this exhibition an hommage to Grace, but there is also a flip side. Grace has served to draw attention to Monaco when she was alive and in death. Monaco has survived for a long time on the fairytale and the myth of Grace. She was surely a remarkable person, but we should not forget that she was also a human being with all the frailties, suffering and joy that entails. She wasn't infallible as many believe and surely has had her share of bad decisions in life. This exhibition surely draws a lot of attention to Monaco and revives the myth and fairytale. Monaco might survive another couple of years on this. But in some way this hommage is also a travelling circus abusing Grace even in death to generate publicity for Monaco, due to lack of other ways to draw peoples attention. Of course the anniversary of her death is a tempting date, but maybe the anniversary of her wedding to Rainier would have been more appropriate as the Kelly years as is the subtitle of the exhibition only began with that marriage. the anniversary of her tragic end might still rouse some sadness. it is understandable to do sth special on the occasion, but in some way it is also a little tasteless. I'm not so sure if Grace and Rainier would have wanted us to see their loveletters revealed. From what I see from the pics the exhibition has been done with great care, and for us outsiders it is a great opportunity to learn more about that admired person, but when you take a look at the personality of Grace and also of Rainier, both in spite of the displayed family life, very private people and only showing as much as was considered necessary to run Monaco, do you really think that those 2 would have approved to have their loveletters publicly displayed? If so, then we might have seen them earlier, don't you think? This is an exhibition that is bordering on voyeurism and would probably have been more appropriate two more generations from now to justify a historical and cultural value. This might not be Caros reasoning, especially since she has been involved in the organizational part. Though she might have had second thoughts. who knows? But I believe that Caro has honoured her mother by the way she took over her role at the side of her father and continued to do so in spite of her own tragedies in life when the occasion called for it.
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Paca great post. It was a bit odd to me too, exposing those letters...
I can't help but wonder how Charlene feels (if she feels anything) seeing the homage dedicated to person whose role she might (hopefully wont) take.
I admire Caroline on an attitude, btw.
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Two very nice pictures of Albert and Stephanie :

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Simply GRACE by Vanity Fair Italy http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x...ione0001-6.jpg http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x...ione0002-5.jpghttp://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x...ione0003-4.jpg http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x...ione0004-3.jpg http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x...ione0005-3.jpg
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Old 07-13-2007, 07:34 PM
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Caroline has shown great energy visiting friends, attending royal events, and other public activities.


We have all witnessed how tireless she has been in presenting a very regal and world-class image of Monaco to the world.


However, Caroline, this is when you are needed the most!!! To be with your brother (who it seems is not a natural-born ruler and has been rather reckless with his decision-making) and sister (who has not really been deemed too highly by royal circles because of her lack of regard for her royal status) in honor of a woman who has, after all, placed you and your family in global consciousness, put respectability in your family, and enriched your principality.


Looking at the picures of the event -- by the way, THANK YOU to those who provided the links -- I now have a more special respect for Stephanie. This is the child who was with the woman being honored during the horrific crash, the one who had to bear the tremendous guilt of surviving, who had to hear people say "Why was Grace the one who had to die?" and had to live through suspicion that she was responsible for her mother's death.


I believe it was very agonizing for Stephanie to go through this exhibit. Her love for her mother is unquestionable and memories of their family life are very welcome, but I am sure the last moments of her mother's life, what they shared in that vehicle that fateful day, resurfaced in her mind. And as much as Stephanie is a stunning woman, it takes courage to be photographed next to large portraits of your flawless mother.


Stephanie, you are a true princess. You go, girl!
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Royrrules, that's an interesting post you've made - with several true aspects

Michelle, thanks for those screenshots you made, seems like a private moment and a wonderful
smile the sibblings shared

And Noirfabi, thanks a lot for scanning in the clippings, a very nice retrospective the magazine
made, some very rare pics are included..
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