General information and questions about Monaco and the Princely Family

[Thtregoddess11]

Originally Posted by Princess Luna

Not sure if im in the right thread to ask this, but are Princess Caroline and Ernst divorced?

I'm not so sure they are even separated; if they were Caroline likely would've gone back to using HSH Princess Caroline of Monaco, but on the palace website, she's still using Princess of Hanover. No-one with the exception of them-really knows what's going on between them. All we know is that they have not been seen together publicly since June 2009, thus living separate lives, and nothing more. However, it is assumed they have legally separated.

[burnt]

Originally Posted by smdouglas

Actually, the phrase is: "A sunny place for shady people" A phrase that PA has been trying to change for at least the last decade. Monaco seems like a nice place that (in the past) has attracted folks that don't have the best of intentions.

Yeah,I know..it was an observation made my WS Maugham.I was in bed,dogtired and about to sleep i did'nt get to correct it.Thanks anyway.

[rosana]

Originally Posted by FanofMonaco

Those were French people who were receiving a housing subsidy from Monaco. Probably someone in the family at one time was essential personel.eg policeman, firemen and they continued to get the subsidy after they were no longer essential. Heaven forbid that a Frenchman might have to move to France and pay fair market value for his apartment. Monagasque citizens are still eligible for the subsidy.I did read that they were trying to resolve the problem; especially with the elderly.

I think the law is that you can't insult the royal family. That doesn't mean you can't complain about issues. Even if you did insult them you would probably just get a ticket, not go to jail.The residents of Monaco live very well. It's not a 3rd world country dictatorship.Actually, Monaco is run simiarly to the Disney theme parks. They run a very tight and disciplined ship and it's "the happiest place in the world".

You really make honor to your nickname lol. Are you going to contradict everything one says, it seems. I was referring to Monegasques, not French. I heard one of them speak in front of millions of people, saying she was about to move she didn´t know where, asking the prince if he was aware of the citizens problems! I am not sure if they complain about issues they will receive the same benefits from the state, many monegasques, even if it sounds strange, have fled to France.

And as for the "happiest" place in the world, I think you are relating happiness to high living standard. Well, If you revise the list of suicide rates from the WHO, what the first world countries call the third world countries are not in the first place. And I read Monaco has quite a high rate for such a small country. So, happiness and money do not always go together.

[Princess Luna]

Originally Posted by Thtregoddess11

I'm not so sure they are even separated; if they were Caroline likely would've gone back to using HSH Princess Caroline of Monaco, but on the palace website, she's still using Princess of Hanover. No-one with the exception of them-really knows what's going on between them. All we know is that they have not been seen together publicly since June 2009, thus living separate lives, and nothing more. However, it is assumed they have legally separated.

Thanks

[FanofMonaco]

Rosana could you provide references for your statements? I don't remember reading anything about citizens not being able to afford to rent; only not being able to afford to buy housing. Some of them couldn't come up with the down payment even with government help. I don't know of any country where everyone can afford to buy a home. A government can only do so much. It is not your parent. You have to make some effort on your own. As for happiness, only the individual can provide that for themselves. In the US everyone complains how bad it is here and yet hundreds of thousands of people continue to come here illegally every year.

[rosana]

The source is a report on CNN in Spanish. I don´t think the video is available on internet. This woman complaint because she was forced to leave her home, where a huge skycraper was to be built. But anyway, the thing is I don´t mean to intend eveeybody wants to escape from Monaco, only that things are not perfect, not all Monegasques are happy with their country being a paradise for rich, where everything is made for them, and not everybody agrees with the wedding being beneficial as some want to convince as here.

[FanofMonaco]

People will always complain no matter how good they have it. Monaco offers a very nice lifestyle for those who live there. And I don't just mean those in the high rent section. The citizens are well taken care of. Its the French living there that don't want to leave. I can't blame them but it's not Monaco's responsibility to take of French citizens who can't pay their way.

[Smush]

At the port Hercules of Monaco we saw the Pacha III.
Nice boat but if you don't know to whom it belongs you could miss it

http://i404.photobucket.com/albums/p...2/DSC03820.jpg

[fandesacs2003]

who are these persons on board?

[lazuli]

Originally Posted by fandesacs2003

who are these persons on board?

Most probably the Pacha III staff...

[Smush]

Yes. These guys were polishing the wood on the boat.
Days before there was no boat, probably because of the yacht show.

[iceflower]

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The Villa Paloma in Monaco is showing "Caroline de Monaco", portraits by Helmut Newton,
Francesco Vezzolli, Andy Warhol and Robert Wilson as one of three current exhibitions.


** Pic 1 ** Pic 2 ** Pic 3 ** Pic 4 **

These are surely the most special ones:


** Pic 5 ** Pic 6 **

[Nathalie Cox]

Wonderful pictures. She looks like a Queen.
Thanks Iceflower!

[An Ard Ri]

Originally Posted by iceflower

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The Villa Paloma in Monaco is showing "Caroline de Monaco", portraits by Helmut Newton,
Francesco Vezzolli, Andy Warhol and Robert Wilson as one of three current exhibitions.


** Pic 1 ** Pic 2 ** Pic 3 ** Pic 4 **

These are surely the most special ones:


** Pic 5 ** Pic 6 **

God Save Queen Caroline!

Amazing photos of The Princess.

[sm1939]

picture five is a copy of Greta Garbo in Queen Christina ,

[Smush]

Cool pics.
Are they new or old? Were they taken for this exhibition?

[Kipper]

Some of these photos have featured in past Royal Forum threads. Does anyone know of a book by Helmut Newton that features them?

[iceflower]

Smush, a large number of the portraits are from the 1980s, the two bigger ones I've
posted are quite new compared to that.

[Thecia]

Love, love, LOVE the Vezzoli portraits. Very beautiful
They were taken in... 2009 I think? If my memory isn't too faulty that is. Time tends to blend into a bit of a blur after a while.

[BurberryBrit]

I have a question: after watching a documentary about Pss Grace I wonder, how many times did she and Ranier meet before they got engaged and then married? It looks like they met in Cannes, corresponded by mail for about 6 months, he came to Philadelphia to spend Christmas with the family and they were engaged in 24 hours. So basically, they saw each other twice before they were engaged? Then they didn't see each other again until Grace sailed to Monaco, right?