Funeral of Princess Antoinette, March 24, 2011

[CasiraghiTrio]

Princess Antoinette's obituary
http://tinyurl.com/princessantoinettelouisesuzann

[maria-olivia]

The Bishop of Monaco started the funerals by saying "Monseigneur, Altesses Sérénissimes", or Caroline and her daughter Alexandra are Altesses royales?

[melina premiere]

I think he forgot the fact princess Caroline and Alexandra are Altesses Royales.

[Moonmaiden23]

Originally Posted by wa3kittiees

Fornication -- sex between an unmarried man and unmarried woman -- is not a mortal sin.

Every priest that I have known would not deny someone the Eucharist if someone stepped forward to receive the Eucharist.
No priest would make a spectle out of denying anyone the Eucharist at a mass.

The sacraments, including the Eucharist, are to be comforts to those who believe.
Denying someone the Eucharist at a funeral mass does not follow that element of Roman Catholic doctrine.

Personally, I don't like the heavy black, including the veils. I find it overboard -- more worried about the look than the grief.
Personally, I never wear complete black to a funeral.
I wore black slacks & a pistachio sweater to my sister's funeral and I wore a navy blue skirt & a brightly striped sweater to my father's funeral.
(both were Roman Catholic masses)

I am sorry for this loss to all the family and the people of Monaco.

What??! When did THAT change and why was I not informed ?! Think of all the fun I missed out on! Wait till I tell my confessor...take THAT father!

[maria-olivia]

What has this to do with HSH the late Princess Antoinette 's funerals ?

[Nathalie Cox]

^It's all about why Charlene and Caroline can take communion or not, it went a little bit off-topic.
I would like to know why the De Massys had to be behind Caroline and Stephanie, who had to be behind Albert and Charlene.
I know, if it's protocol....but still doesn't seem right. At least, Albert could be in front with Cecile and Charlene behind with some other De Massy.
Charlene shouldn't be in front...yet. She is the fiancee, not the wife (yet).

[Moonmaiden23]

Nathalie Cox, I was a bit surprised to see CW up front with PA as well. I thought she couldn't do that until after the wedding?

Ah well...shows you how much I know about protocol!

[Nathalie Cox]

Originally Posted by Moonmaiden23

Nathalie Cox, I was a bit surprised to see CW up front with PA as well. I thought she couldn't do that until after the wedding?

Ah well...shows you how much I know about protocol!

Yeah! Well, i don't know about protocol either. I "blame" protocol for it, but i don't really know

[melissaadrian]

Originally Posted by iceflower

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** Funeral of Princess Antoinette, March 24, 2011 **

Question. why is alexandra, at least I think it is her, wearing a white lace veil and not black?

Originally Posted by Bones

Yes, but far as I know she's still living with Alex ... and I doubt they're sleeping in twin beds

And someone better tell the Charlene thread that she didn't take communion so it looks like she's Protestant again (sigh), of course neither did Caroline which surprised me.

Who said you had to be free of sin to recieve communion? I don't think anyone would take communion, not alone Charlotte, if they did.

Charlene is protestant again? Did she convert to catholocism and then back again? I think you mean protestant still.

Originally Posted by wa3kittiees

Fornication -- sex between an unmarried man and unmarried woman -- is not a mortal sin.

Every priest that I have known would not deny someone the Eucharist if someone stepped forward to receive the Eucharist.
No priest would make a spectle out of denying anyone the Eucharist at a mass.

The sacraments, including the Eucharist, are to be comforts to those who believe.
Denying someone the Eucharist at a funeral mass does not follow that element of Roman Catholic doctrine.

Personally, I don't like the heavy black, including the veils. I find it overboard -- more worried about the look than the grief.
Personally, I never wear complete black to a funeral.
I wore black slacks & a pistachio sweater to my sister's funeral and I wore a navy blue skirt & a brightly striped sweater to my father's funeral.
(both were Roman Catholic masses)

I am sorry for this loss to all the family and the people of Monaco.

In old catholic countries, and countries which are very Catholic, it is tradition to wear the veils. you will even find it in Latin American countries. It is a sign of respect. Women used to not wear their heads uncovered, hence the hoods they wore in the Tudor times, or veils in other eras. During mourning they would wear only black for months, including their veils. Some countries like Monaco and such have continued with this tradition. It reflects the highly catholoc origins of the country.

[KittyAtlanta]

If Charlotte has confessed her sins, she would have been admonished to "go and sin no more." Perhaps she's unwilling to sin no more and thereby won't take communion.

[Moonmaiden23]

KittyAtlanta...you think of EVERYTHING!

It's true...you only need to be free of mortal sin to receive the Eucharist...otherwise no one would!

[maria-olivia]

I followed the whole official funerals in the Catholic Cathedral of Monaco. She was a Member of the House of Grimaldi, it was normal that the Prince Souverain and his close family were the "highlight". He had on his right side the most important women of Monaco for the moment , Princess Caroline and on his left side his fiancee.
The Bishop started with Monseigneur , Altesses Sérénismes , Excellences , Mesdames et Messieurs. The whole Funerals were official with the Prayer for the Prince Souverain and Deo Juventus. Before the coffin was Princess Antoinette's decoration the highest Order of Monaco (St Charles).
I am sure that later in the small Chapel , the de Massy family were before the Grimaldis .
Princess Antoinette 's official funerals took about nearly 2 hours and what the Priests said about her was respectfully and the Journalist from Monaco did great work.

[Moonmaiden23]

Thank you maria-olivia...that was great information!

So both CW and Princess Caroline had a place of honour, and everybody is happy now?

[debrann]

Originally Posted by wa3kittiees

Fornication -- sex between an unmarried man and unmarried woman -- is not a mortal sin.

Every priest that I have known would not deny someone the Eucharist if someone stepped forward to receive the Eucharist.
No priest would make a spectle out of denying anyone the Eucharist at a mass.

The sacraments, including the Eucharist, are to be comforts to those who believe.
Denying someone the Eucharist at a funeral mass does not follow that element of Roman Catholic doctrine.

Personally, I don't like the heavy black, including the veils. I find it overboard -- more worried about the look than the grief.
Personally, I never wear complete black to a funeral.
I wore black slacks & a pistachio sweater to my sister's funeral and I wore a navy blue skirt & a brightly striped sweater to my father's funeral.
(both were Roman Catholic masses)

I am sorry for this loss to all the family and the people of Monaco.

wa3kittiees....I embrace your comments.....I am also a catholic and my husband is not...but we got married in the Church 2 years ago and our Priest bent over backwards to make my husband feel at ease, and afterwards my husband said he was so pleased we married in the Church...I know this digressing a bit but the Catholic Church has come along way in its thinking to try and fit within the 21st century....it may have along way to go but it is trying.

[CasiraghiTrio]

Originally Posted by Nathalie Cox

^It's all about why Charlene and Caroline can take communion or not, it went a little bit off-topic.
I would like to know why the De Massys had to be behind Caroline and Stephanie, who had to be behind Albert and Charlene.
I know, if it's protocol....but still doesn't seem right. At least, Albert could be in front with Cecile and Charlene behind with some other De Massy.
Charlene shouldn't be in front...yet. She is the fiancee, not the wife (yet).

In other countries besides Monaco (and maybe in Monaco too) if you are engaged to marry, the protocol treats you as a married couple. But I agree with you that the direct descendents of the deceased should have more precedence in the funeral procession.

On other issues....
I'm sorry to see on this thread so much outrage and upset over "sin" and communion. I'm also sorry to see one poster tell another poster not to judge (about communion and sins), all the while stating something very judgmental about CW. A person who judges condemns another for judging. Take a look @ yourself before you cast stones.

[lazuli]

I don't know if this was already posted, but here it goes... Paris Match
Photo Caroline, Stéphanie, Albert et Charlene, obsèques Antoinette - Photos - Têtes couronnées - People Match - ParisMatch.com

[Zonk]

Please note that I have deleted a couple of off topic posts about the Charlene vs. Caroline comparison, scandals in the Catholic Church and personal attacks on Charlene as well as other members.

This is a funeral thread, its a shame that people can't act accordingly.

If this continues this thread will be closed permanently.

[agogo]

Originally Posted by Nathalie Cox

^It's all about why Charlene and Caroline can take communion or not, it went a little bit off-topic.
I would like to know why the De Massys had to be behind Caroline and Stephanie, who had to be behind Albert and Charlene.
I know, if it's protocol....but still doesn't seem right. At least, Albert could be in front with Cecile and Charlene behind with some other De Massy.
Charlene shouldn't be in front...yet. She is the fiancee, not the wife (yet).

I noticed that too. The De Massys were steps behind the princely family. Protocol is important but looks odd sometimes. Very antiquated.

[Renata4711]

Precedence is important for royals, princes and other nobility, and for their people who like to see their ruling family behave according to protocol, especially at funerals, weddings, and the like.

[CasiraghiTrio]

Charlene actually appeared to be very... genuinely sad, IMO. I can't see her being close to Antoinette, not really, but the old lady was probably quite nice to her. I bet Princess Antoinette was quite nice, as she aged. She could be a feisty little (Tiny, lol) Tiger Blooded B---h but then she aged into a nice funny grandmother. And the poor thing suffered a lot of loss. Her own daughter. And husband John Gilpin. I know everyone suffers these kind of losses, but it doesn't make it any less tragic. Life is tough, and Antoinette was a trooper through it all. Now all of that old Grimaldi generation are gone. Long live the Prince.