Charlene Wittstock Current Events 4 : June 2006 - Aug.2006

[Elspeth]

Welcome to part 4 of the thread to discuss Charlene Wittstock, Prince Albert's girlfriend.

Please remember that insults, gossip, and speculation are not allowed.

Part 3 is here:

http://www.theroyalforums.com/forums/f13/charlene-wittstock-current-events-part-3-a-9887.html

 

[Ghislaine]

The interview can be read here:
http://www.lepoint.fr/societe/document.html?did=180237
and the introduction here:
http://www.lepoint.fr/societe/document.html?did=180236
Both in french...

The quote about CW:

La jolie personne [NDLR : la nageuse australienne Charlene Wittstock] qui vous accompagnait au dernier Grand Prix de formule 1, avez-vous des intentions à son endroit ?
Si j'en avais, vous le sauriez sûrement.

I'd translate it as:
Q: the pretty lady that accompagnied to the last GP, do you have intentions with regard to her?
PA: If I had, you'd be sure to know.

Which can be taken both ways. a) there's nothing b) sarcastically.
Throw a dice....

G.

 

[pinklady1991]

I dunno...I just can't reconcile anything right now. The mainstream press is apparently getting caught up in these rumors but when the news about Jazmin broke, the Palace denied any wedding rumors, or was I just imagining that?????? Why the change of heart now????? I also believe that she is no longer in Monaco or there would have been other sightings of her...am I right???? Didn't we all go down this path with Alicia about three years ago and then she suddenly disappeared?????

 

[creativemind]

Didn't we all go down this path with Alicia about three years ago and then she suddenly disappeared?????

...and hasn't been seen since! Yikes!

 

[Poisonivy]

Monseigneur, les entretiens que vous accordez se finissent toujours par la même question...
PA: Ah oui, je devine : Allez-vous vous marier ? Eh bien, je vais vous répondre. Je ne m'imagine pas seul trop longtemps, j'aurai une famille, je suis sûr que je trouverai un jour...

Monsignor, the discussions which you grant always finish by the same question...
PA: Ah yes, I guess: Are you going to get married? Oh well, I am going to answer you. I do not imagine myself alone too much longer, I'm going to have a family, I am sure that one day I'll find...
--> the right person to marry? Doesn't sound as if he has found this person already... but who knows...

 

[Lillia]

Monseigneur, les entretiens que vous accordez se finissent toujours par la même question...
PA: Ah oui, je devine : Allez-vous vous marier ? Eh bien, je vais vous répondre. Je ne m'imagine pas seul trop longtemps, j'aurai une famille, je suis sûr que je trouverai un jour...

Monsignor, the discussions which you grant always finish by the same question...
PA: Ah yes, I guess: Are you going to get married? Oh well, I am going to answer you. I do not imagine myself alone too much longer, I'm going to have a family, I am sure that one day I'll find...
--> the right person to marry? Doesn't sound as if he has found this person already... but who knows...

Albert is good at baiting the press and keeping them jumping around.

I'll say one thing, I'd be surprised if he marries this girl. Even though the olympic thing was her accomplishment, I'd be surprised (not shocked though), if he was planning to marry her.

I mean, what else does she bring there? Anything?

 

[Ghislaine]

Albert has been saying for years that he will marry. In every interview he gave in the past year. And before that. If it was Rainier who was keeping him from marrying, surely Albert would have been engaged by now?

But I have to admit that his persistent assurance that he will marry has me puzzled. Maybe he's just extremely optimistic?

 

[Lillia]

Possibly. I think it's just not the way things are done for a Prince to say publically that he has no interest in marriage, whatever the reason. Now that he is the Monarch himself, he has to keep people positively interested in the principality and keeping the hope for a royal wedding is one way to do it.

that's not to say that he is not interested in marrying at all, but why should he be? He does not need to bother with it

 

[Ghislaine]

that's not to say that he is not interested in marrying at all, but why should he be? He does not need to bother with it

Awww, that's not fair. I wish him to be happy, to have a lovely and caring wife and for them both to love each other very much.
Aside from the gay rumours and the fact that one can be a very happy single.

 

[norwegianne]

I think that anything written can be interpreted in many ways. Unless we were there, or saw the interviews on television, we have no way of knowing if Albert was serious, or if he was sarcastic - that's one of the problems with the written word.

 

[leahteresa]

If Albert came out and said he was NEVER going to marry, he would have a much harder time with the ladies. He's got GREAT and I mean GREAT game with the whole "I need to produce and heir you might be it" line. What man would ever let that go....

 

[julianneneville]

I really see no evidence that PA is marriage adverse. From past articles and interviews, it just seems that he has had a lot of bad luck with women. I think he is perhaps more of a romantic than we give him credit for. And it must be very difficult for him to find someone real that is suitable and loves him. Personally, I hope that he finds his Camilla and not his Diana.

 

[Lillia]

I agree, he probably can sweep a woman off her feet. He's a Prince and he's handsome and he's a billionaire, so why would he not be able to charm just about anyone!

I think he's had trouble becuase of the type of woman he continues to pick on his own -- he could easily choose different type of person. He has lots of people around him who could find a 'suitable' mate and not someone who tends to be starry eyed, grasping and desperate, or married, or not educated with limited goals. After all, if he can send his guys out to pick up some woman in a crowd then he could just as easily ask his people to find someone with a little class too.

 

[pinklady1991]

I agree, he probably can sweep a woman off her feet. He's a Prince and he's handsome and he's a billionaire, so why would he not be able to charm just about anyone!

I think he's had trouble becuase of the type of woman he continues to pick on his own -- he could easily choose different type of person. He has lots of people around him who could find a 'suitable' mate and not someone who tends to be starry eyed, grasping and desperate, or married, or not educated with limited goals. After all, if he can send his guys out to pick up some woman in a crowd then he could just as easily ask his people to find someone with a little class too.

I agree with you Lillia, but perhaps there is a little bit of insecurity underlying all of his choices. Albert has often said that fairly or unfairly any wife of his would be compared to his mother. Perhaps deep down he feels he is not worthy of someone who fits the generally accepted idea of what a princess should be (i.e, his mother) or he feels that it would be unfair to find someone suitable but who would never be able to attain the romanticized ideal his mother became so why put someone through that? So maybe he decided to pick someone so far off base that she won't be compared to anyone but herself (although with the current crop of amazing princesses, I don't see that happening either). JMO.

 

[Neat2912]

I guess at the prince says-he'll let you know. But I'm bewildered that he displayed so much affection, interest, respect (except for the Olympic fiasco). I just really thought/think she is his choice. And actually, she just might be his soul mate. People don't really know what he really needs/wants. He's done a lot of parading women for show,etc. I would bet this woman fits into his scheme/view, his down to earth person.

And perhaps 6 months or so is just too eager beaverish, to make an announcement. If she's not the one I'd bet he couldn't come any closer to what he/himself/his personality needs or wants. Signed a great big IMO

 

[Lunagirl]

Oh Prince Albert, you like to keep us guessing, don't you?

 

[leahteresa]

Do not forget it takes a quality person to attract a quality person. However, if PA is baiting the press with no intention of marriage then he may just pick and choose women whom he is likely to have a good time with then move on.

The thing that gets me about interviews in French is that much can be lost in translation, especially tone and intent.

 

[Lillia]

Well, if I were being asked the same questions again and again over the years by the press, I would have a canned answer ready to give them too, just so they could make what they want of it and go on to something else

I could imagine he finds it tiresome

 

[Zora]

I have read the Point de Vue interview and I must say that I am perplexed by it. While French is my first language, I don't have the tone or intent. From a strictly semantical point of view PA doesn't sound like someone who is about to announce an engagement or even a formal companion (I know about CW being refered to as his official companion). Then again, he certainly doesn't have to disclose any details of his personal life and/or wedding plans. It is still very interesting to wait and see what happens.

 

[leahteresa]

Thanks for you viewpoint as a french speaker. I try to be sensive to the loss that can occur. I also picked up that the "official companion" might have been something in someone in the palace refered to her as, not necessarily "official title" stuff.

IMO....CW is on the way out....the Maldives pics were in very poor taste and her remarks to the press not so smart. Just my specuation, I have no proof but I cannot image him marrying someone who's public image has to salvaged after the nuptuals rather than the other way around.

 

[Lillia]

Well, if Charlene W is on the way out (and no one knows this but PA and CW, I would not know, that's for sure!), then she is after all, a grown-up. Her father did say in his interview that she was not clinging to PA. I would hope she has been at least thinking on herself enough to try to make the most of the introductions Albert gave her in terms of fashioning some kind of future for herself after the Olympics (if she participates). Maybe she can try to be a sports anchorperson on TV or something? Or maybe an expert speaker for Olympic activities or something. Better than just partying along with PA and then being a former, former...


Who knows , I sure don't

 

[pinklady1991]

Well, if Charlene W is on the way out (and no one knows this but PA and CW, I would not know, that's for sure!), then she is after all, a grown-up. Her father did say in his interview that she was not clinging to PA.

Well, we all thought she was on the way out in April when the safari never materialized and when we saw Albert with Annabelle Bond...then she turned up in Monaco for apparently 2 weeks. He seems to take her out from time to time when it suits him. It's not quite what I would brand how one would treat a "long time girlfriend" as the press keeps saying she is. And four months is not what I would call a "long term" relationship. But then again, that depends on your point of view.

Part of me believes that Charlene is no longer living in South Africa but rather in Albert's apartment in Paris; however, I can't figure out how the press hasn't picked up on this. My other thought is that her father's "clinging" quote is actually Charlene (or her PR person) speaking to the press about the relationship through her father. He looks like an independent agent/family spokesperson but in reality he is Charlene's mouthpiece. I also think her family is the source of the engagement rumor leak to the press especially about the ring shopping b/c when Charlene showed up at the Grand Prix, the Palace did deny that there were marriage plans (I did read that, didn't I? Can someone confirm this??).

 

[Lillia]

Makes sense to me. I agree with the part about her father being her 'mouthpiece', although he cannot certainly climb into her head and presume to speak for her about PA to anybody (presumptuous,imo).

And yes, I think it's just one of those 'things' that they have going at the moment.

They're just partying around; they're adults and they can do that.

I would be surprised if anything more came of that and personally, I would not want to be known in public as being someone's 'mistress' no matter who it was

I'm sure the press or whoever it was came up with that term could have come up with something nicer than 'companion'

(or maybe not )

 

[lynda]

I do not believe CW is residing in Paris because she is such a busy body and there would have been some sort of tabloid news or pictures of her prancing about. So I think she is back in SA somewhere sorting out her future goals.

I read the article regarding her father’s comment where he suggested she should give PA some space and not be too clingy. But that was in one of those SA tabloid articles and you can not always be sure if he even made the comment.

Things seem to be calm at the moment but there are still a few events where she might be PA’s escort. There is the Red Cross Ball and the Jazz Festival and we might see her at these events. However; IMO, I do not feel there is a wedding in the near future according to PA’s latest interview. Even though he was very vague, he never stated he was marrying or getting engaged to her. He just replied that he still envision marriage and having a family one day. He never said it would be with CW.
We will just have to wait and see if anything comes out of this relationship.

 

[miraglia1983]

Could it just be his way of not getting involved in that type of conversation? He is so secretive in regards to his personal life that he just might surprise all of us with an announcement. What I do believe is that Charlene was at Cartier's buying the earrings she wore to the Auto Club gala. I saw a necklace in a magazine that looked just like the earrings. She must be hiding somewhere for the paparrazzi not to have found her recently. She is probably a hot comodity to the press. Maybe, while she is being groomed to be a Grimaldi princess, she is being kept away from the public eye and will do a comeback with a bang all groomed and ready for her new role in life.

 

[lynda]

It is a possibility, but we just do not know. I do agree PA is very private, but in the interview he said something on the lines of if he was contemplating marriage people would know. (Not his exact words) So IMO if he was getting prepared for something as spectacular as a wedding or engagement announcement he would have said so. As far as the jewelry is concerned, purchased from Cartier’s’, please share the article.

I have nothing against CW, if she is PA’s choice; I wish them life long happiness.

 

[libra65]

Personally, I don't think she is in Paris, SA, or MC. If the palace wanted to groom her and keep her out of sight, wouldnt Roc Agel be a perfect place for her? Still close to PA to see him and very private so she isn't flaunted. Just my random thoughts.

 

[wittykitty]

But there must be staff around why would she be left there on her own? it's would be easy for a maid to let it slip to a member of the press if Charlene is at Roc Agel and I doubt she's cooking or cleaning, doing her own wash!?
Wittykitty

 

[libra65]

But there must be staff around why would she be left there on her own? it's would be easy for a maid to let it slip to a member of the press if Charlene is at Roc Agel and I doubt she's cooking or cleaning, doing her own wash!?
Wittykitty

There would definitely be staff up there (also someone to teacher French, etiquette, protocol). I was thinking that the members of the princely family have always had a gret deal of privacy there so the staff there probably shows a great deal of discretion to protect that. Do you think I am giving them too much credit? Oh well, IF IF IF IF. Again, all we can do is speculate.

 

[Ghislaine]

According to a tabloid programme on TV, Albert is at this moment holding an important press conference. They speculated that it was to announce his engagement to CW.
And I'm here, trying desperately to find out what it's all about. The proverbial the suspense is killing me. No kidding.