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Old 06-20-2012, 05:31 PM
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Maybe the Dutch royals did speak to each other at the wedding. But, they probably didn't want to bring up Friso. I mean, how many times can you ask: "How is Friso doing'? Countess: Karen Quinlan did eventually get pulled off a respirator, but she breathed on her own after that happened, and I think she lived for years after, something that Friso will never do, unfortunately.
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Old 06-20-2012, 05:46 PM
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Story is one of the 4 gossipmagazines. So not that reliable!
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Old 06-20-2012, 09:24 PM
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The comment that he benefits from rest seems a bit riduclous, as he is in a coma and not breathing on his own.
Perhaps it was not the word "rest" that was used in the original article, but rather in peace or something similar. I don't think it would be wise for a person in a coma and with breathing apparatus and other medical objects going into the body to have too many visitors as there is always the risk that the visitors brings with them different bacteria and virus that can affect the patient, as he/she is already in a weakened condition, and every new infection can become fatal.
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Old 06-20-2012, 10:20 PM
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Oh, you are correct. It was the word "rest" that was ridiculous. I am sure they try to limit the visitors to minimize infection.

Alexy 1904, Karen Ann Quinlan lived for 9 years after she came off the respirator. But I agree, I don't think Friso will do that. And how awful 9 years in a coma.
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Old 06-20-2012, 10:35 PM
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OK, rest = peace makes sense to me! It sounds to me like the extended family is giving Friso's closer relatives their privacy and not trying to make too many inquiries - if there is any news it will get around soon enough. It's just an indication of how hard it is for extended friends and family when someone is ill - you don't want to pry and bother them, and yet you want them to know you are thinking of them.
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Old 06-21-2012, 02:41 AM
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Don't be so sure the story of "Story" is true like Sjetajiem already explained.Pieter would never utter himself on this subject in public,but it sells for the rags pulp,and those eager and greedy for sensational headlines who believe the crap....Revolting.

And don't compare Friso's condition with others.Too rediculous whatever comparison is made,really is,that's all waitingroom nonsense.He is beyond return in all fields,sadly and unfortunately,vegitating means just that.
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Old 06-21-2012, 02:44 AM
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Oh, you are correct. It was the word "rest" that was ridiculous. I am sure they try to limit the visitors to minimize infection.

Alexy 1904, Karen Ann Quinlan lived for 9 years after she came off the respirator. But I agree, I don't think Friso will do that. And how awful 9 years in a coma.
Indeed,one should have pulled the plug long before,as in any case beyond return.It's inhuman to anyone involved to vegitate and for the near and dear.
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Old 06-21-2012, 03:35 AM
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Indeed,one should have pulled the plug long before,as in any case beyond return.It's inhuman to anyone involved to vegitate and for the near and dear.
No one "should" do anything if they don't want to. Mabel should do what she feels is right for her family, and the extended family. Whatever that should be.
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Old 06-21-2012, 03:38 AM
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If the Royals considered it inhuman the plug would have been pulled, so they not only want him to continue to live in the way he does but also must think Friso would want to too.
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Old 06-21-2012, 03:47 AM
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the problem is that pulling the plug can start a political discussion that the DRF doesnt want to get dragged into.
its not only a personal decision in this case.
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Old 06-21-2012, 03:49 AM
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Alhough 'Story' is a gossip magazine, I highly doubt that they will quote prof. van Vollenhoven like this and made it all up. What they usually do is use quotes from an article elsewhere or an interview on tv and present it as their own. I didn't see the article so I don't know the details, but that t is completely fabricated seems unlikely, esp. since they will probably be sued for it.

I don't think that Pieter blabbering is that odd, he is always friendly to the press, talks a lot etc. Neither is what he said very shocking or revealing.
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Old 06-21-2012, 04:27 AM
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Story is one of the 4 gossipmagazines. So not that reliable!
Yes, 'Story' is a gossipmagazine but this 'interview' was picked up by all major Dutch news agencies.
If he hadn't given that interview, I am sure Professor Van Vollenhoven would have denied that he had given that interview.
So, I do think this is true.
He only said something about how his family is dealing with this tragedy and did not say anything about Friso's condition itself. He would never do that; that is something for Friso's closest family members if they feel like talking about him.
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Old 06-21-2012, 04:39 AM
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I agree. It even was on the online national newssite.
And as there were no weird statements in it, I asume it to be reliable.
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Old 06-21-2012, 04:53 AM
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The problem is that pulling the plug can start a political discussion that the DRF doesnt want to get dragged into.
its not only a personal decision in this case.
If the situation is medically unambiguous - what sort of 'political discussion' would be precipitated?
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Old 06-21-2012, 05:00 AM
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If the situation is medically unambiguous - what sort of 'political discussion' would be precipitated?
We dont know about that and pulling the plug without further medical infos - that I wouldnt expect from the family - can be used by pro euthanasia campaigners using the DRF as "leading example".

I personally would want the plug to be pulled but it can be hard on family members to do so even though they know the patient would agree.
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I feel so sorry for them if they feel that this very personal decision must be made with a view toward any political implications. Normally I do feel that in exchange for their enormous privileges, their lives are on display, and that's just the way it is. However, certain things should not be, and are none of the public's business. This is certainly one of them.

We really don't know his exact condition (although I do suspect he is beyond hope, and in a permanent vegetative state,given the amount of time he was deprived of oxygen), or Mabel's emotional state at this point, and why they have chosen this route at this time.

Whose decision is it on whether to keep him on support? In the U.S it is solely the decision of the spouse (I am sure states vary on the state of the patient, how many concurring medical opinions are needed, and whether court order is necessary), and I suspect in Britain it is the same.
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Indeed,one should have pulled the plug long before,as in any case beyond return.It's inhuman to anyone involved to vegitate and for the near and dear.
I could not agree more, Lucien. It's why each and every one of us shjould have an advance health care directive, stating our withed in the event of a tragedy such as this. I personally, at 30, signed one with a DNR order in a situation such as this.

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the problem is that pulling the plug can start a political discussion that the DRF doesnt want to get dragged into.
its not only a personal decision in this case.
They have legalized physician assisted suicide. I doubt anyone on the planet (other than the Roman Catholic Church), would have a problem with removing the feeding tube and upping his pain meds and letting him gratefully and gracefully slip away from the living hell of being trapped in the situation he is in now.
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Old 06-22-2012, 04:56 AM
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They have legalized physician assisted suicide. I doubt anyone on the planet (other than the Roman Catholic Church), would have a problem with removing the feeding tube and upping his pain meds and letting him gratefully and gracefully slip away from the living hell of being trapped in the situation he is in now.
You are right that the Netherlands have legalized physician assisted suicide, active euthanasia, but in the U.K., where prince Friso is for the moment, euthanasia is illegal and it's the laws of the country where a patient is that are to be followed.

When it comes to palliative sedation (passive euthanasia), such as you mention with removing the feeding tube and upping pain medication, I don't know what the rules are in the U.K. regarding coma patients, as that usually is something the patient have to agree to before a doctor can do that, or if it's possible for the family to agree to it.
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I believe it when Lucien says that there is no chance anymore for Prince Friso to recover. But it was said in the beginning in February that it will need 6 months to really be sure that this is a permanent status he is in. So my impression ist that the DRF, especially the queen and Mabel, will wait for a final report from the doctors before they decide. I have the greatest respect possible for the queen and I never doubted Mabel's love for her husband, so I'm convinced they will decide the right thing their son and spouse. And if that means that sometime in August/September we hear that the prince died peacefully from his injuries, then I will pray for him and close this chapter for me. I'm sure it will take a long time for Mabel and her mother-in-law to heal but I don't believe for a moment that they are not capable of making even utmost tough decisions.

I hope Mabel may one day return to the Netherlands, so that her girls can grow up close to their paternal family, especially their cousins who are of similar age. Family helps enormously in cases like that and I believe the Dutch media will respect their fate and keep their distance.
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I believe it when Lucien says that there is no chance anymore for Prince Friso to recover. But it was said in the beginning in February that it will need 6 months to really be sure that this is a permanent status he is in. So my impression ist that the DRF, especially the queen and Mabel, will wait for a final report from the doctors before they decide. I have the greatest respect possible for the queen and I never doubted Mabel's love for her husband, so I'm convinced they will decide the right thing their son and spouse. And if that means that sometime in August/September we hear that the prince died peacefully from his injuries, then I will pray for him and close this chapter for me. I'm sure it will take a long time for Mabel and her mother-in-law to heal but I don't believe for a moment that they are not capable of making even utmost tough decisions.

I hope Mabel may one day return to the Netherlands, so that her girls can grow up close to their paternal family, especially their cousins who are of similar age. Family helps enormously in cases like that and I believe the Dutch media will respect their fate and keep their distance.
I think you are right. I always suspected they would give it a set amount of time to be absolutely certain. I agree about Mabel and the girls. Children can be very resilient, more so than the adults. I worry more about Friso's mother than his daughters.
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