Prince Friso in Critical Condition Following Skiing Accident: February 17, 2012


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I appreciate your comment! I'm very much a lay person in this field and I had forgotten how serious his brain damage is. So you are basically saying that the family is hoping against hope?

viv

Yes. It is a very serious state. Coming back is not an option. I think, Scooter, stated it best.
 
The Belgian magazine TV Family published an article on Prince Friso. The cover of the magazine was: 'To pull the plug or not'. The article says that the Queen and Mabel had different opinions about the matter. etc.

Now the author of the article is supposed to be Mario Danneels (who previously wrote a biography on Queen Paola). Only he says that the magazine changed a lot of things about the article and that he didn't recognise parts of it, esp. not the part which says that HM would want to end the situation.

The situation caused some stir in the press.
 
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Uless you spoke directly to HM or Mabel, how would you know what they think. Did he interview them? Or is this supposition?
 
I just don't see this family playing out any decision in the media.

1. There may be notice of the prince being moved to another facility - in Britain or Netherlands -- with very little explanation other than it is more suited from his current condition.

2. Eventually at some point the palace will simply announce his passing from injuries sustained in the accident and plans for a family funeral. There might be some media notice of family members traveling to the facility. But much will probable be under the media's radar.
 
I agree, I thik you are right. There will be not hoopala in magazines or newspapers. It will be a quiet, dignified, decision.
 
Prince Friso officially isn't the CFO of URENCO anymore. The company has released a statement that they will be looking for a new CFO.

NOS Nieuws - Officieel ontslag Friso bij Urenco

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And on a different note: NRC reporter Jannetje Koelewijn, who 'overheard' a discussion by Friso's doctor (Prof. Claudius Thomé) and published it in the newspaper NRC Handelsblad, has decided to leave the newspaper.

According to Koelewijn, the relationship with chief editor Peter Vandermeersch has been strained ever since. Her partner, the neuro surgeon Kees Tulleken still has to awnser to a medical disciplinary court. The procedure against him was started in June but it is not known when the court will announce a decision.

http://www.volkskrant.nl/vk/nl/2694...C-om-Friso-zaak-situatie-was-onwerkbaar.dhtml
 
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The URENCO announcement is not surprising. The company could not be expected to continue indefinitely without a CFO.
 
I'm not going to question the state of Prince Friso, and the cases are
not identical.. However right now we're having a 'headlines case' in Denmark, about Carina, a 20- year old girl who was terribly injured in a traffic accident and considered brain dead (MR scan). Because of her state, her parents were asked to consider that her vital organs could
be donated to patients in need, and they reluctantly agreed considering the prognosis, but also experiencing a 'mild pressure' from the doctor in charge.

The procedures for organ donation were initiated, but what happened
was that Carina continued to breathe without life support and eventually woke up!
She is now in rehab, hoping to be able to finish her graduating exams.

The public service DR TV ran a documentary on Carinas case the other day after ignoring pleas from the hospital not to.

Carinas parents are livid, intending to sue the doctor in charge of their daugthers case.

The relevant doctor has apparently been advised to go below the radar for a while

Organ donors are leaving the registry in bundles...

I don't know whether we've got the whole truth and nothing .. however it's stories like Carinas' which keep people hoping in those awful comatose cases.

viv
 
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It is all just so sad but it happens all the time and this situation is not uncommon, he is really lucky to be well cared for and I have to say not all the pt's I have observed are so fortunate it may not be the truth people want to hear but it is a fact.
 
what a scary story..

I'm not going to question the state of Prince Friso, and the cases are
not identical.. However right now we're having a 'headlines case' in Denmark, about Carina, a 20- year old girl who was terribly injured in a traffic accident and considered brain dead (MR scan). Because of her state, her parents were asked to consider that her vital organs could
be donated to patients in need, and they reluctantly agreed considering the prognosis, but also experiencing a 'mild pressure' from the doctor in charge.

The procedures for organ donation were initiated, but what happened
was that Carina continued to breathe without life support and eventually woke up!
She is now in rehab, hoping to be able to finish her graduating exams.

The public service DR TV ran a documentary on Carinas case the other day after ignoring pleas from the hospital not to.

Carinas parents are livid, intending to sue the doctor in charge of their daugthers case.

The relevant doctor has apparently been advised to go below the radar for a while

Organ donors are leaving the registry in bundles...

I don't know whether we've got the whole truth and nothing .. however it's stories like Carinas' which keep people hoping in those awful comatose cases.

viv
 
.. well, I would take it with a grain of salt ... it sounds too 'round'.

In my experience doctors are very carefull with what they say. They probably suggested to donate organs with 'if's' and 'when's' ... - but for sure news have reshaped the story to make it more 'newswhile' ...


Much more people die because there are NO organs for transplantation, then people die because they are organ donors!!!

It's like: not using an ambulance because once in a while there are accidents involving ambulance cars.
 
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Exactly Nice Nofret, not to forget statiscally people remember under distress at most 40% of what their doctor told them.
 
I am happy for Carina and her family. But what is important in comparing the two cases is how long Carina was in a coma and showing no brain function?

For Prince Friso, it is almost 8 months since his accident and subsequent coma.
 
As I stated in my post: I'm not going to question the state of Prince Friso; the cases are not identical!
This is about doctors making misjudgements! The director of the hospital in question has admitted to misjudgement! This happened within 8-10 days of the trauma!
Relatives are clinging to straws in cases like this, and I'm also sure that they have 'selective hearing', as someone suggested!
I'm also trying to point out that despite Prince Frisos condition, which appears to be irreversible, his family is not ready to let go! Maybe because of stories similar to that of Carina. It doesn't matter whether these cases compare or not medically speaking, what matters is that these 'happy- endings-cases' fuel a shimmer of hope for the relatives.
 
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As I stated in my post: I'm not going to question the state of Prince Friso; the cases are not identical!
This is about doctors making misjudgements! The director of the hospital in question has admitted to misjudgement! This happened within 8-10 days of the trauma!
Relatives are clinging to straws in cases like this, and I'm also sure that they have 'selective hearing', as someone suggested!
I'm also trying to point out that despite Prince Frisos condition, which appears to be irreversible, his family is not ready to let go! Maybe because of stories similar to that of Carina. It doesn't matter whether these cases compare or not medically speaking, what matters is that these 'happy- endings-cases' fuel a shimmer of hope for the relatives.

I agree, but I also think the Dutch Royal Family doesn't have much choice at the moment.
Euthanasia is out of the question in England, because it is not allowed there.
Euthanasia in the Netherlands is possible but I think it will lead to a lot of controversy. There are a lot of people in the Netherlands who have strong religious beliefs and who are strong supporters of the Monarchy. The Royal Family might risk to lose that support if they decide to end Prince Friso's life.
The Royal Family can't decide to turn off life support because Friso is probably not on life support.
The only option they have at the moment is to wait until his body gives up...
 
I would not wish this on anyone.

I pray for peace of heart for the Dutch RF, and for Friso as well.
 
Ermittlungen gegen Prinz Frisos Freund eingestellt Investigation against Frisos friend closed ... just saw this news. Obviously the Public Prosecutors Office of Feldkirch concluded that both men together were responsible for the incident and that therefore there was no reason for a prosecution.
 
I just read in the French paper "Point de Vue", dated the week of Oct. 3 to Oct.9, 2012, no. 3350, on the front cover, there is a photo of Princess Mabel with the caption (translated):A GLIMMER OF HOPE FOR BEATRIX AND MABEL. Inside, on page 14, in an article written by Caroline Vaisson, it says that Mgr. Desmond Tutu, a close friend of Princess Mabel, has revealed that Johan Friso opened his eyes and smiled at his wife, as she was kissing him.

I believe there is some progress in his condition , as the hospital is keeping him alive this long. I hope he recovers completely.
 
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This was reported weeks ago and is a poor concept. Many times people in comas open theirs eyes and, reflex smile. This isn't "hope", necessarily. The hospital isn't keeping him alive because of any decisions they have made, as it is the request of his family and they are paying the bill. Perhaps, they have been keeping him "alive" in case the young man that just was exonerated of any resposiblity of this accident, would not be accused of "murder" A terrible thought.
 
Perhaps, they have been keeping him "alive" in case the young man that just was exonerated of any resposiblity of this accident, would not be accused of "murder" A terrible thought.

That thought had crossed my mind as well. I do wish Archbishop tutu had been more discreet.
 
The hospital isn't keeping him alive because of any decisions they have made, as it is the request of his family and they are paying the bill. Perhaps, they have been keeping him "alive" in case the young man that just was exonerated of any resposiblity of this accident, would not be accused of "murder" A terrible thought.
As prince Friso is in a hospital in England, British law applies to the care of him and I don't think is legal in Britain to do anything to shorten a patient's life even if they are kept alive with the help of a machine.
 
That is interesting. So if a patent cannot sustain life without artificial means, they would be kept on a respirator ad infinitum? This is not euthanasia, this is extraordinary means. So, the law does not allow the family to decide when "enough is enough" and remove the artificial device?
 
Britain have the Brain stem death criteria, Brain stem death - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia and as we don't know the true extent of Friso's condition we don't know whether he fulfills the criteria or not. In most other countries the criteria for when a person is to be considered dead is whole brain dead, Brain death - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

As we don't know the full extent of Friso's brain damage we can only speculate, but I have studied cognitive science and the more I've learned about the brain the more fascinating it gets. It's possible to have some brain stem functions while the rest of the brain (the higher brain where our consciousness, memories and all the other functions that makes us "us") is totally lost and can't be retrieved, which means that a person is still considered to be alive medically and legally, but there is nothing left of the person but an empty shell of a body without what it is that makes each of us unique.
 
I was wondering.
In a hypothetical situation:
If the British law prohibits 'pulling the plug' and a family (not English) decides to take the comatose to their home-country to do just that, because there it is allowed. Is there a law in GB prohibiting the removal, knowing what the result of that removal would be?
 
I don't think there's anything in British law that would keep family members from being able to transport someone back to their home country, regardless of standards of care in that country.
 
So the family, always has the choice to move the patient and " pull the plug" so to speak, as someone else has termed it. And, I assume they can make that decision at any time?
 
Well "pulling the plug" does happen in the UK, sometimes even ordered by the courts against the wishes of parents of small children when there is no chance of "life".
 
I don't think there is any good way. In many ways our artificial means to keeping a person alive does no favor for the family, but, now and again, it is wonderful. Each must do what is best for them.
 
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