Prince Friso in Critical Condition Following Skiing Accident: February 17, 2012


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Maybe the Dutch royals did speak to each other at the wedding. But, they probably didn't want to bring up Friso. I mean, how many times can you ask: "How is Friso doing'? Countess: Karen Quinlan did eventually get pulled off a respirator, but she breathed on her own after that happened, and I think she lived for years after, something that Friso will never do, unfortunately.
 
The comment that he benefits from rest seems a bit riduclous, as he is in a coma and not breathing on his own.
Perhaps it was not the word "rest" that was used in the original article, but rather in peace or something similar. I don't think it would be wise for a person in a coma and with breathing apparatus and other medical objects going into the body to have too many visitors as there is always the risk that the visitors brings with them different bacteria and virus that can affect the patient, as he/she is already in a weakened condition, and every new infection can become fatal.
 
Oh, you are correct. It was the word "rest" that was ridiculous. I am sure they try to limit the visitors to minimize infection.

Alexy 1904, Karen Ann Quinlan lived for 9 years after she came off the respirator. But I agree, I don't think Friso will do that. And how awful 9 years in a coma.
 
OK, rest = peace makes sense to me! It sounds to me like the extended family is giving Friso's closer relatives their privacy and not trying to make too many inquiries - if there is any news it will get around soon enough. It's just an indication of how hard it is for extended friends and family when someone is ill - you don't want to pry and bother them, and yet you want them to know you are thinking of them.
 
Don't be so sure the story of "Story" is true like Sjetajiem already explained.Pieter would never utter himself on this subject in public,but it sells for the rags pulp,and those eager and greedy for sensational headlines who believe the crap....Revolting.

And don't compare Friso's condition with others.Too rediculous whatever comparison is made,really is,that's all waitingroom nonsense.He is beyond return in all fields,sadly and unfortunately,vegitating means just that.
 
Oh, you are correct. It was the word "rest" that was ridiculous. I am sure they try to limit the visitors to minimize infection.

Alexy 1904, Karen Ann Quinlan lived for 9 years after she came off the respirator. But I agree, I don't think Friso will do that. And how awful 9 years in a coma.

Indeed,one should have pulled the plug long before,as in any case beyond return.It's inhuman to anyone involved to vegitate and for the near and dear.
 
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Indeed,one should have pulled the plug long before,as in any case beyond return.It's inhuman to anyone involved to vegitate and for the near and dear.

No one "should" do anything if they don't want to. Mabel should do what she feels is right for her family, and the extended family. Whatever that should be.
 
If the Royals considered it inhuman the plug would have been pulled, so they not only want him to continue to live in the way he does but also must think Friso would want to too.
 
the problem is that pulling the plug can start a political discussion that the DRF doesnt want to get dragged into.
its not only a personal decision in this case.
 
Alhough 'Story' is a gossip magazine, I highly doubt that they will quote prof. van Vollenhoven like this and made it all up. What they usually do is use quotes from an article elsewhere or an interview on tv and present it as their own. I didn't see the article so I don't know the details, but that t is completely fabricated seems unlikely, esp. since they will probably be sued for it.

I don't think that Pieter blabbering is that odd, he is always friendly to the press, talks a lot etc. Neither is what he said very shocking or revealing.
 
Story is one of the 4 gossipmagazines. So not that reliable!

Yes, 'Story' is a gossipmagazine but this 'interview' was picked up by all major Dutch news agencies.
If he hadn't given that interview, I am sure Professor Van Vollenhoven would have denied that he had given that interview.
So, I do think this is true.
He only said something about how his family is dealing with this tragedy and did not say anything about Friso's condition itself. He would never do that; that is something for Friso's closest family members if they feel like talking about him.
 
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I agree. It even was on the online national newssite.
And as there were no weird statements in it, I asume it to be reliable.
 
The problem is that pulling the plug can start a political discussion that the DRF doesnt want to get dragged into.
its not only a personal decision in this case.

If the situation is medically unambiguous - what sort of 'political discussion' would be precipitated?
 
If the situation is medically unambiguous - what sort of 'political discussion' would be precipitated?

We dont know about that and pulling the plug without further medical infos - that I wouldnt expect from the family - can be used by pro euthanasia campaigners using the DRF as "leading example".

I personally would want the plug to be pulled but it can be hard on family members to do so even though they know the patient would agree.
 
I feel so sorry for them if they feel that this very personal decision must be made with a view toward any political implications. Normally I do feel that in exchange for their enormous privileges, their lives are on display, and that's just the way it is. However, certain things should not be, and are none of the public's business. This is certainly one of them.

We really don't know his exact condition (although I do suspect he is beyond hope, and in a permanent vegetative state,given the amount of time he was deprived of oxygen), or Mabel's emotional state at this point, and why they have chosen this route at this time.

Whose decision is it on whether to keep him on support? In the U.S it is solely the decision of the spouse (I am sure states vary on the state of the patient, how many concurring medical opinions are needed, and whether court order is necessary), and I suspect in Britain it is the same.
 
Indeed,one should have pulled the plug long before,as in any case beyond return.It's inhuman to anyone involved to vegitate and for the near and dear.
I could not agree more, Lucien. It's why each and every one of us shjould have an advance health care directive, stating our withed in the event of a tragedy such as this. I personally, at 30, signed one with a DNR order in a situation such as this.

the problem is that pulling the plug can start a political discussion that the DRF doesnt want to get dragged into.
its not only a personal decision in this case.
They have legalized physician assisted suicide. I doubt anyone on the planet (other than the Roman Catholic Church), would have a problem with removing the feeding tube and upping his pain meds and letting him gratefully and gracefully slip away from the living hell of being trapped in the situation he is in now.
 
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They have legalized physician assisted suicide. I doubt anyone on the planet (other than the Roman Catholic Church), would have a problem with removing the feeding tube and upping his pain meds and letting him gratefully and gracefully slip away from the living hell of being trapped in the situation he is in now.
You are right that the Netherlands have legalized physician assisted suicide, active euthanasia, but in the U.K., where prince Friso is for the moment, euthanasia is illegal and it's the laws of the country where a patient is that are to be followed.

When it comes to palliative sedation (passive euthanasia), such as you mention with removing the feeding tube and upping pain medication, I don't know what the rules are in the U.K. regarding coma patients, as that usually is something the patient have to agree to before a doctor can do that, or if it's possible for the family to agree to it.
 
I believe it when Lucien says that there is no chance anymore for Prince Friso to recover. But it was said in the beginning in February that it will need 6 months to really be sure that this is a permanent status he is in. So my impression ist that the DRF, especially the queen and Mabel, will wait for a final report from the doctors before they decide. I have the greatest respect possible for the queen and I never doubted Mabel's love for her husband, so I'm convinced they will decide the right thing their son and spouse. And if that means that sometime in August/September we hear that the prince died peacefully from his injuries, then I will pray for him and close this chapter for me. I'm sure it will take a long time for Mabel and her mother-in-law to heal but I don't believe for a moment that they are not capable of making even utmost tough decisions.

I hope Mabel may one day return to the Netherlands, so that her girls can grow up close to their paternal family, especially their cousins who are of similar age. Family helps enormously in cases like that and I believe the Dutch media will respect their fate and keep their distance.
 
I believe it when Lucien says that there is no chance anymore for Prince Friso to recover. But it was said in the beginning in February that it will need 6 months to really be sure that this is a permanent status he is in. So my impression ist that the DRF, especially the queen and Mabel, will wait for a final report from the doctors before they decide. I have the greatest respect possible for the queen and I never doubted Mabel's love for her husband, so I'm convinced they will decide the right thing their son and spouse. And if that means that sometime in August/September we hear that the prince died peacefully from his injuries, then I will pray for him and close this chapter for me. I'm sure it will take a long time for Mabel and her mother-in-law to heal but I don't believe for a moment that they are not capable of making even utmost tough decisions.

I hope Mabel may one day return to the Netherlands, so that her girls can grow up close to their paternal family, especially their cousins who are of similar age. Family helps enormously in cases like that and I believe the Dutch media will respect their fate and keep their distance.

I think you are right. I always suspected they would give it a set amount of time to be absolutely certain. I agree about Mabel and the girls. Children can be very resilient, more so than the adults. I worry more about Friso's mother than his daughters.
 
Prince Friso is still in a coma. His situation is unchanged.
That is what Prince Willem-Alexander said during a photo opportunity with his family on the Horsten in Wassenaar. The Prince also said that "because of all the emotions it is not always easy to work."
The diagnosis that was made ​​in Innsbruck after the accident that Friso struck, is still in force, according to the Prince. Once a change occurs, it will be made public through the Government Information Service.
"I hope that in the future we can come with a positive message.''
On February 17th, Prince Friso was buried under an avalanche in Lech, Austria. In early March, he was transferred to a specialist hospital in London where he is nursed.
The family of Prince Friso lives in London. Queen Beatrix goes to London every weekend to visit her son.
 
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Depends what one considers 'good news",but I'm afraid "that" sort of good news,that won't be the case...

The only good news that came today is that blabbermouth surgeon Tulleken crossed the line and will be prosecuted for his comments on the Prince Friso's situation immediatly he was admitted to hospital in Innsbruck.

We all remember his wife blurting that the prognoses of Friso was excellent,and as a journalist she abused the opportunity as well...
We all klnow the prognoses went for the worst instead and that the situation has not changed at all since..Unfortunately.

The IGZ,a medical affairs government inspection body,prepares procedures to have him scrubbed over due to the fact he denied his Oath as a doctor in blabbering on a patients prognoses,and not his.Under no circumstance.

I'm surprised it took the IGZ that long.Guess they just wanted to prepare their case well.Good!
 
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Oh, you are correct. It was the word "rest" that was ridiculous. I am sure they try to limit the visitors to minimize infection.

Alexy 1904, Karen Ann Quinlan lived for 9 years after she came off the respirator. But I agree, I don't think Friso will do that. And how awful 9 years in a coma.
That's because they left the feeding tube in, which is very unusual. Usually if a family is ready to take the patient off life support, they remove the feeding tube and iv. When my uncle was in that position, he lasted about 2 weeks.
 
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That's because they left the feeding tube in, which is very unusual. Usually if a family is ready to take the patient off life support, they remove the feeding tube and iv. When my uncle was in that position, he lasted about 2 weeks.

Oh, gosh! There are pros and cons to modern medicine, and this kind of state is one of the cons, IMO.

I feel like a ghoul writing this, but when (and I don't think it's "if", I think it's "when"), the family does decide to remove supports, Beatrix will cancel all engagements and be at Friso's side. His brothers as well. So I think rather than an announcement the Friso has passed peacefully, there will be an announcement the the immediate family will take some time off from duties and be at Friso's side.
 
This scenario is very possible but I sincerely hope that when that time does arrive, the public is not informed until Friso has passed on. It would definitely be a private family thing and the last thing the family needs is hoards of flashbulbs going off in their faces. This kind of situation is hard enough on any family and their well being should be respected.
 
This scenario is very possible but I sincerely hope that when that time does arrive, the public is not informed until Friso has passed on. It would definitely be a private family thing and the last thing the family needs is hoards of flashbulbs going off in their faces. This kind of situation is hard enough on any family and their well being should be respected.

I agree, but any vigil will most likely take several days to more than a week. That's a lot of royal calendars to clear, so I am not sure they will be afforded the luxury of privacy. :sad:
 
Yes, I think that when the news comes that Prince Friso has died, it will catch us all by surprise, albeit that we all have been expecting this dreadful news.
I think we will be surprised, not so much by the news per se, but more by the moment when it happens...:sad:
 
Yes, I agree. The news of a death happening is more of a shock than the death itself; at least, I've found that's the way it's been with deaths close to me. A person can know that a loved one is very ill--but the news/experience still comes as a shock.


I think we will be surprised, not so much by the news per se, but more by the moment when it happens...:sad:
 
I think you are right. They, certainly, do not have to share their thoughts with the public. They just have to make a decision. How or when it up to them. I don't know if they have a time line or how they expect to handle this. I am sure they still hope. There is nothing wrong with that. I think the press, will keep a distance at that time.
 
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