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Old 07-07-2012, 05:17 AM
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Prince Friso is still in a coma. His situation is unchanged.
That is what Prince Willem-Alexander said during a photo opportunity with his family on the Horsten in Wassenaar. The Prince also said that "because of all the emotions it is not always easy to work."
The diagnosis that was made ​​in Innsbruck after the accident that Friso struck, is still in force, according to the Prince. Once a change occurs, it will be made public through the Government Information Service.
"I hope that in the future we can come with a positive message.''
On February 17th, Prince Friso was buried under an avalanche in Lech, Austria. In early March, he was transferred to a specialist hospital in London where he is nursed.
The family of Prince Friso lives in London. Queen Beatrix goes to London every weekend to visit her son.
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Old 07-07-2012, 06:28 AM
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i hope good news
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Old 07-07-2012, 06:43 AM
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Depends what one considers 'good news",but I'm afraid "that" sort of good news,that won't be the case...

The only good news that came today is that blabbermouth surgeon Tulleken crossed the line and will be prosecuted for his comments on the Prince Friso's situation immediatly he was admitted to hospital in Innsbruck.

We all remember his wife blurting that the prognoses of Friso was excellent,and as a journalist she abused the opportunity as well...
We all klnow the prognoses went for the worst instead and that the situation has not changed at all since..Unfortunately.

The IGZ,a medical affairs government inspection body,prepares procedures to have him scrubbed over due to the fact he denied his Oath as a doctor in blabbering on a patients prognoses,and not his.Under no circumstance.

I'm surprised it took the IGZ that long.Guess they just wanted to prepare their case well.Good!
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Old 07-07-2012, 12:00 PM
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Oh, you are correct. It was the word "rest" that was ridiculous. I am sure they try to limit the visitors to minimize infection.

Alexy 1904, Karen Ann Quinlan lived for 9 years after she came off the respirator. But I agree, I don't think Friso will do that. And how awful 9 years in a coma.
That's because they left the feeding tube in, which is very unusual. Usually if a family is ready to take the patient off life support, they remove the feeding tube and iv. When my uncle was in that position, he lasted about 2 weeks.
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Old 07-19-2012, 12:40 PM
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That's because they left the feeding tube in, which is very unusual. Usually if a family is ready to take the patient off life support, they remove the feeding tube and iv. When my uncle was in that position, he lasted about 2 weeks.
Oh, gosh! There are pros and cons to modern medicine, and this kind of state is one of the cons, IMO.

I feel like a ghoul writing this, but when (and I don't think it's "if", I think it's "when"), the family does decide to remove supports, Beatrix will cancel all engagements and be at Friso's side. His brothers as well. So I think rather than an announcement the Friso has passed peacefully, there will be an announcement the the immediate family will take some time off from duties and be at Friso's side.
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Old 07-19-2012, 01:18 PM
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This scenario is very possible but I sincerely hope that when that time does arrive, the public is not informed until Friso has passed on. It would definitely be a private family thing and the last thing the family needs is hoards of flashbulbs going off in their faces. This kind of situation is hard enough on any family and their well being should be respected.
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Old 07-19-2012, 01:23 PM
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This scenario is very possible but I sincerely hope that when that time does arrive, the public is not informed until Friso has passed on. It would definitely be a private family thing and the last thing the family needs is hoards of flashbulbs going off in their faces. This kind of situation is hard enough on any family and their well being should be respected.
I agree, but any vigil will most likely take several days to more than a week. That's a lot of royal calendars to clear, so I am not sure they will be afforded the luxury of privacy.
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Old 07-19-2012, 01:25 PM
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Yes, I think that when the news comes that Prince Friso has died, it will catch us all by surprise, albeit that we all have been expecting this dreadful news.
I think we will be surprised, not so much by the news per se, but more by the moment when it happens...
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Old 07-19-2012, 02:17 PM
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Yes, I agree. The news of a death happening is more of a shock than the death itself; at least, I've found that's the way it's been with deaths close to me. A person can know that a loved one is very ill--but the news/experience still comes as a shock.


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I think we will be surprised, not so much by the news per se, but more by the moment when it happens...
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I think you are right. They, certainly, do not have to share their thoughts with the public. They just have to make a decision. How or when it up to them. I don't know if they have a time line or how they expect to handle this. I am sure they still hope. There is nothing wrong with that. I think the press, will keep a distance at that time.
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Old 07-19-2012, 10:38 PM
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Oh, I'm NOT suggesting they have to share their decisions before hand with the public. It's a private matter entirely. I am suggesting that as a pragmatic matter, if you look at the DRF calendars, there will be a lot of calendar clearing and the public will therefore be aware. It's like a celebrity not announcing they are pregnant, but walking around clearly pregnant.
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Old 07-20-2012, 10:46 AM
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Just my 2 cents, but why don't they set him free? It has to be agony for the family, knowing it's far too late for a miracle. He's been effectively gone since his accident.
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Just my 2 cents, but why don't they set him free? It has to be agony for the family, knowing it's far too late for a miracle. He's been effectively gone since his accident.
I don't know, either. He is, as you said effectively gone. What the thought process is for this I don't know, but some how they cope and if there are differences of opinion, we don't know. Mabel, Beatrix and Friso suffer the most and, of course, the children.
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Old 07-20-2012, 11:25 AM
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Because it's very, very hard to let go of someone you love.
No matter what the doctors say, deep inside Mabel, Queen Beatrix and other members of Friso's family probably still hope and pray for a miracle.
At the very least, they need to be psychologically ready because no matter what decision they make, they'll be guilt-ridden for the rest of their lives.
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Old 07-20-2012, 11:37 AM
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It's difficult to judge the situation and we have no way of knowing what the doctors may have advised Mabel and the DRF to do with regard to Friso's situation and the possibility of letting him go. When Friso was transferred to the hospital in London, my thoughts at the time were that they (the doctors in consultaion with Mabel and the DRF) would monitor the situation for six months and after that time review it.

I know that it seems unlikely Friso will ever recover, however I think waiting for a set period of time (for instance six months) to see if there is any change one way or the other is appropriate both in a clinical sense and in the sense of dealing with the situation on a personal level. Having to make a decision like that is awful and it almost becomes a situation where you wait and wait, living under the constant feeling of hoping for the best and dreadful hopelessness, until finally one day you feel ready and able to accept the inevitable.
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Old 07-20-2012, 03:08 PM
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Just my 2 cents, but why don't they set him free? It has to be agony for the family, knowing it's far too late for a miracle. He's been effectively gone since his accident.
Euthanasia is not permitted in the U.K., I don't know what the legal situation is there regarding shutting down breathing apparatus and withholding nutrition to a person in a coma. It can be that the family have to move prince Friso to the Netherlands before he can be taken off life support.
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Old 07-20-2012, 03:22 PM
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In the UK "brain death" is defined more specifically as brain stem death, wiki info has this description;

In the United Kingdom, the formal diagnosis of brain stem death by the procedure laid down in the official Code of Practice permits the diagnosis and certification of death on the premise that a person is dead when consciousness and the ability to breathe are permanently lost, regardless of continuing life in the body and parts of the brain, and that death of the brain stem alone is sufficient to produce this state.

- This has to be confirmed two doctors, of specified status and experience, are required to act together to diagnose death on these criteria and the tests must be repeated after “a short period of time ... to allow return of the patient’s arterial blood gases and baseline parameters to the pre-test state”.

Without delving to deep into the law, if brain stem death is confirmed life support could be turned off. If it's not confirmed Friso would need to leave the country.
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I would then think he quaifies, as he is in a continual coma and needs life support to breath. Those are the parameters, or am I wrong?
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Old 07-20-2012, 08:15 PM
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I would then think he quaifies, as he is in a continual coma and needs life support to breath. Those are the parameters, or am I wrong?
As far as I know it's never been confirmed whether Friso is able to breath or if he's on mechanical ventilation. There is a difference being in a persistent vegetative state, in a chronic coma or brain(-stem) dead. The higher (cognitive) functions of the brain are most likely gone, but that doesn't mean that the functions of the brain stem, that regulates breathing, are totally lost.
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[QUOTE=Meraude;1443424]As far as I know it's never been confirmed whether Friso is able to breath or if he's on mechanical ventilation. There is a difference being in a persistent vegetative state, in a chronic coma or brain(-stem) dead. The higher (cognitive) functions of the brain are most likely gone, but that doesn't mean that the functions of the brain stem, that regulates breathing, are totally lost.[/QUOTE

My only knowledge about this fact, is that Lucien on this site has said he is on mechanical ventilation. Lucien seems to have an inside track on this. Other than that, I must admit I, really, don't know this for a fact.
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