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Old 08-24-2006, 01:08 PM
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I don't have any beef with Kiko at this point. I would add, though, that you can't really compare her relaxed, happy look with Masako. Kiko hasn't been under the kind of pressure Masako has until very recently, when it became apparent both girls had almost passed childbearing age and there was no male successor. When/should Kiko have a boy she still will have it comparatively easy because Naruhito and Masako will have the "top job" until Kiko is quite old (most probably) and then it will be either a short reign for she and Akihito or the reign will just pass to their (perhaps) son. Also, Kiko hasn't had the 're-entry to Japan' issues that Charlotte has talked about on another thread -- so in many ways there just is no comparing the circumstances of the two women.
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Old 08-24-2006, 01:55 PM
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Kiko did spend some of her childhood in Europe, but she didn't spend nearly as long out of the country as Masako. She also went to Gakushuin University, as did her husband, which is where they met, while Masako received her education at Harvard and Naruhito at Tokyo University, which are both somewhat more academic and less geared toward the upper classes. The circumstances of her relationship with her future husband were a lot more normal, being students together, than what Masako and Naruhito went through.
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Old 08-24-2006, 02:07 PM
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I don't think anyone means to be unkind about Kiko's position in the royal family. There is really just no comparing her situation to Masako's. The only thing the two ladies have in common is the fact that both of their husbands had to buck tradition a bit to marry them. Kiko was not exposed to the tremendous pressure to produce a male heir so early on in her marriage. She had been able to travel (relatively) freely and enjoys a good relationship with the Emporer and Empress. I don't believe that she was summoned to the Emporer every month to declare the state of her menstrual cycle like Masako was.

I hope nothing but the best for Kiko and her child regardless of the sex. I too am a woman of advanced maternal age and can really sympathize with what they are going through. I am 37 and my husband and I are still trying for our first child. The things you have to put your body through for IVF are not pleasant, physically and emotionally taxing, have a relatively lower chance of succeeding the older you get and are accompanied by a increasing chance of birth defects and danger to the mother. In trying to provide a male heir to the throne, Kiko and Masako have both put their own lives at risk to do so. That is the unfortunate thing.
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Old 08-24-2006, 09:04 PM
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Well..the only think that we are able to do now is just TO WAIT. There is no much time ahead to know if the baby is a boy or a girl. I read here that the birth could be September 6 or 7. We are almost there. :w00t2: I'm so nervous!

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Old 08-24-2006, 11:11 PM
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I'm not accusing anyone and I'm not trying to be mean but I am tired of post after post of seeming venom toward the prospect of Kiko having a boy and some criticism of her and her husband for trying for a son and heir for their country's throne. While this pregnancy might not have happened naturally, neither did Masako's. She only managed to have one child six years into her marriage (with help) and she and Naruhito have not produced a son which is required under that country's constitution. I'm not criticising her or Naruhito but that's just the way it is. And though it may not be right for females to be excluded from the line of succession that's the way it is in Japan right now.

I know that everytime I bring up the exclusion of Catholics regarding the British Royal Family I am promptly smacked down and reminded of the British constitution, the Act of Settlement, 1701 and on and on. Why can't people just accept that Kiko might have a son which would make her the mother of the heir to her country's throne and be happy for her? She has carried out her duties in this very conservative royal family for 16 years and still looks radiant, beautiful and happy with her life and family. Why can't we just be happy for her and her family?
I only wanted you to know that I support the whole view of your message, Laviolette.

And I'm sure that Kiko and Masako are over all things, happy mothers, and that they doesn't hate each other as some yellow press tries so hard to us to believe. Hope both of them will be happy with their daughters or sons and their husbands.

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Old 08-25-2006, 01:36 AM
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This is slightly off-topic, but I keep wondering...What kind of place do Masako and Kiko and their respective families live in? I keep picturing them both living in like palaces are mansions. Is this wrong or do they really?
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Old 08-25-2006, 12:07 PM
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Have a look at this thread:

http://www.theroyalforums.com/forums...ghlight=palace
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Old 08-25-2006, 12:17 PM
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But aren't these methods much more risky for the mother and the child? Apart from IVF, that is?
Some yes, some no. When I was born in the eighties, and even now, as my cousin is pregnant, a common test for women who are pregnant after about 35 years old get a test, I can't remember the name off the top of my head, of the amniotic fluids, the fluids that surround the baby in the womb. This test is done to detect birth defects such as Down's Syndrome, which is more common in older mothers. During the process of the tests to rule out those problems the doctors usually can tell whether the baby is male or female, because they are examining DNA. I would be very surprised if the Princess has not had this done, as per her age, and the potential role of her child, and so yes, I expect the doctors might have some access to that information. The test is not very risky at all.
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Old 08-25-2006, 12:25 PM
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I'm starting to wonder if this is going to be her last baby. If it is a boy, then he is it. There is no spare, no one else to take the throne if something happens to him. The more I learn about the situation the more I start to think that if Kiko has a boy then 18 months from know she will be pregnant again.
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Old 08-25-2006, 01:07 PM
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In the hugely unlikely event this baby is a girl, I think another Kiko pregnancy may be on the cards too.

Of course, she may be carrying twin boys - the heir and the spare in one package, so to speak.
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Old 08-25-2006, 01:48 PM
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In the hugely unlikely event this baby is a girl, I think another Kiko pregnancy may be on the cards too.

Of course, she may be carrying twin boys - the heir and the spare in one package, so to speak.
If it was IVF it could even be triplets or more kids... all boys for the Imperial house... No, I'd think this would have shown, no?
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Old 08-25-2006, 01:53 PM
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If it was IVF it could even be triplets or more kids... all boys for the Imperial house... No, I'd think this would have shown, no?
...and yet, there are no good photos showing Kiko's tummy- just side views of big jackets - so we don't even know if there is really one baby, let alone two or three....
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Old 08-25-2006, 02:00 PM
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If it was IVF it could even be triplets or more kids... all boys for the Imperial house... No, I'd think this would have shown, no?
It wouldn't show if there were concubines or surrogates, would it now?!
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Yes! I think several of us are on the same train of thought -- tongue in cheek? maybe?
I don't think she would be in a public clinic (even if she is in a private series of rooms) if there is something like that planned. Someone is bound to talk because this would be such an enormous cheat on the public... It boggles my mind only to think about something like that.
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Old 08-25-2006, 03:21 PM
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I'm starting to wonder if this is going to be her last baby. If it is a boy, then he is it. There is no spare, no one else to take the throne if something happens to him. The more I learn about the situation the more I start to think that if Kiko has a boy then 18 months from know she will be pregnant again.
Does anyone know if Kiko was pressured into this pregnancy? Even though it is all a done deal by now, was she kind of pushed into doing it?
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Old 08-25-2006, 03:34 PM
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Does anyone know if Kiko was pressured into this pregnancy? Even though it is all a done deal by now, was she kind of pushed into doing it?


Your guess is as good as ours. That's the whole point of argument that is going for pages and pages. Some think that she 'just' got pregnant and it was all a happy (for traditionalists) coincidence, while others think that it was all carefully planned by the IHA.
Most people on this board think that her pregnancy was organized though.
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Old 08-25-2006, 04:33 PM
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Your guess is as good as ours. That's the whole point of argument that is going for pages and pages. Some think that she 'just' got pregnant and it was all a happy (for traditionalists) coincidence, while others think that it was all carefully planned by the IHA.
Most people on this board think that her pregnancy was organized though.
Funny thing though, with all the joy that usually surrounds a new baby, it all seems kind of over the top to me, a little.

I mean, I'm happy for her and wish them all well, but somehow...

well, the situation from what I've read here seems a little like 'the ends justify the means' and the means (if true) are anything but 'traditional' or 'conservative'.

It is a little bit mind-blowing when one thinks about it too long...

I hope I've expressed myself (actually my confusion) clearly. If not then please forgive me, I mean no offense...
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Old 08-25-2006, 04:50 PM
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It wouldn't show if there were concubines or surrogates, would it now?!
Yeah....we wouldn't know anyways...since there's no one see her tummy sticking out after she's pregnant (at least there's no pic or video clip that allow the public to see the tummy)
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I think it would be interesting if she gaver birth to twin girls.XD Could you imagine the looks on those guys?
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Old 08-25-2006, 08:44 PM
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And again...Isn't it?

I doesn't like this new culture of "women are better than men" that we are experiencing nowadays. None are better than the other, since the ones couldn't exist without the others...Simply. So; go ahead people. One beside the other.

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