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Old 08-17-2006, 02:55 AM
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I do however seem to remember that he did once suggest that his brother should divorce Masako in order to marry someone else.

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No he did not. The divorce stories are from traditionalists who suggest that's a way to get a male heir. Tabloid newspapers, particularly outside Japan circulated this story. Members of the Imperial family's interview transcripts are on the Imperial Family website and what they actually say can be verified. They give very few interviews, on their birthdays and before an official overseas trip.
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Old 08-17-2006, 03:32 AM
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How is the princess? Any news of the delivery date?
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Old 08-17-2006, 11:57 AM
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Greetings to all!

I heard this morning (on a talk show) that Masako was not on good terms with Kiko, that they "hated each other" or "Masako hated Kiko" ...I don't remember exactly which phrase they used. But the reason for the animosity was that Kiko is pregnant and that they are all so sure that's it's going to be a boy... How true is this? Because you know you just can't trust all those gossip mags and shows.... I'm sure Masako feels something, but not hate. She might be feeling hopful that it's a boy that way the pressure is off of her, or a little resentful because if it's a boy then her little daughter stands no chance of being empress...who knows!
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Old 08-17-2006, 01:52 PM
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Japan lives with restlessness the final days of the pregnancy of
princess Kiko


The news of the hospitalization of princess Kiko already has untied some rumors of imminent birth. Quickly discarded by Kiodo agency that, mentioning official sources, it emphasized that the entrance of the Princess tries to guarantee the conditions of security the childbirth, by means of Caesarean, takes place without problems and for taking care of any bled sign in these previous days to the operation....

source: hola.com (the article is in spanish)
http://www.hola.com/actualidad/imgAc...6&currentImg=4
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Old 08-17-2006, 03:49 PM
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The last hope...

I wish a safe delivery for Princess Kiko.
If she gives birth to a boy, the last hope is that Crown Prince will find courage to amend laws of succession upon ascending the throne to show the Imperial Household Agency its place.
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Old 08-17-2006, 04:03 PM
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I'm just trying to think positively that if Kiko delivers a baby boy then I guess IH will not annoy princess Masako anymore. Masako will get fully recover and more relax....with this condition who knows that one day she will be pregnant again and this time will be a brother for princess Aiko . But I think being able to get rid from that annoying IH is already a good gift for Princess Masako, no matter she could have another baby in the future or not .
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Old 08-17-2006, 04:39 PM
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I'm rather sure the baby will come soon, while the crown princes are in Holland.

I have just read the book "Princess Masako, - the imprisoned butterfly" from Yoko Kobayasi. The book gives an idea how life is in the imperial family, and for princess Masako it has been very difficult.
When she came into the imperial family, her mother-in-law and her sister-in-law, princess Kiko, had already a very good relationship. In the eyes of the imperial couple, princess Kiko is an ideal princess. Educated in Japan, she has a degree in psychology, a very "feminine" study, and she had no troubles adjusting to life in the imperial family. For princess Masako it was all very different, she has a totally different background and education.
According to the book, the pressure princess Masako has experienced from the Imperial Household, comes directly from the imperial couple.

That is why I believe the third child of prince and princess Akishino will be a boy, a well-planned boy.
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Old 08-17-2006, 08:38 PM
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I don't think that Princess Masako and Princess Kiko "hates each other". This is really strong as a statement and you all here knows how the newspapers goes on in exagerations. When they have not a new, they simply made them up. That's a fact.

But now, I'm worried about Princess Kiko¡s health. I don't think she must be hospitalized until 6-7 September...That's a little strange and suspicious. However, I'm not a doctor and perhaps is common to act this way with her pregnancy problem. Any doctor here to tell us about how doctors would act in this kind of cases?

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Old 08-17-2006, 08:51 PM
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But now, I'm worried about Princess Kiko¡s health. I don't think she must be hospitalized until 6-7 September...That's a little strange and suspicious. However, I'm not a doctor and perhaps is common to act this way with her pregnancy problem. Any doctor here to tell us about how doctors would act in this kind of cases?

Vanesa.
It is not unusual for women to be ordered bed rest during the last stages of their pregnancy, especially if their pregnancy is deemed high risk for some reason or other.

Although the birth of all babies are important to their families, the delivery of Kiko's baby is obviously very important in a social and historical context for Japan, so taking extra precautions to ensure that she doesn't deliver early or that Kiko herself doesn't experience any medical difficulties or discomfort is probably something to be expected. (No doubt Kiko feels the tremendous pressure of her upcoming birth, too, and is feeling quite stressed and anxious about it all, too.)

I forget the exact medical term (and I am not saying Kiko has it) but for example, Maxima (and I think Mette-Marit, too) was ordered bed rest for the last several weeks before delivering Amalia.

I do have one question that I may have missed in this thread: Why did Kiko and her husband not choose to find out the sex of their baby earlier? A friend just marked her 18th week of pregnancy and was able to find out the sex of her baby. In Kiko's case wouldn't that have relieved her stress one way or another and end the discussion of reform to the Japanese constitution?
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Old 08-17-2006, 09:07 PM
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The Imperial Household must know she is having a boy. With all the technology that is at their fingertips and the "importance" of having a boy...I can't imagine they would want to have egg on their face with the arrival of another girl. Which is disturbing in another way..all those pretty princessess and they are worried about the succession.
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Old 08-17-2006, 10:11 PM
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Alexandria, as I recall the statement just said, "the couple do not wish to know the gender of the baby until delivery".

And Vanesa, I agree with Alexandria that I really don't think her hospitalization means something is wrong. She is 39, the stress must be exhausting for her, if indeed she does know it is a boy she must have alot on her mind because her life will change, she may have some family dynamics to work through in the near future, and it has been stated she has placenta previa so perhaps they want her in a qualified hospital, especially since you wouldn't want an emergency bleed during Tokyo's rush hour!!

All that said, my sentiments are almost exactly those of Elspeth's in post #350, meaning I think everything in the Imperial Family is a very intentioned and well orchestrated "dance" conducted by the IHA. All the key players are in the positions they are to be in and now it's time for the birth.
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Old 08-18-2006, 02:19 PM
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I think the IHA knows the gender already, i dont think they would let all this expectation to grow about the possible birth of a male heir to the throne if they were not sure it was a boy.
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Old 08-18-2006, 03:41 PM
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I feel sorry for princess Kiko. I guess great preassure was put on her to get pregnant again. I don't think she got pregnant accidently. And I hope it will be a boy because I'm afraid many traditionalists would be disappinted with Kiko and IHA would resent her. But I also have feeling that IHA already knows it'll be a boy.
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Old 08-18-2006, 03:57 PM
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I wouldn't feel too sorry for her. If the baby is a boy, the prospect of Emperor Aksihino and Empress Kiko becomes a possibility if the younger brother outlives the elder. Without this boy, the succession would go straight from Naruhito to Aiko or to some adopted son that the IHA managed to foist on him.
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Old 08-18-2006, 07:46 PM
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I feel that akisino is very ambitious and he want be emperator and for that with this pregnant the kiko's life and the baby are in danger.
I don't think this prenat would be natural, and if is a boy the aiko's future is compicated but if is a girl the law must be change.
wait and see, nothing is imposible, may be (sure) this baby is a boy but masako may be have another baby without the pressures for a heir
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Old 08-18-2006, 08:37 PM
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Alexandria, as I recall the statement just said, "the couple do not wish to know the gender of the baby until delivery".
Thanks for clarifying that Emily. Even though the couple may not know, I wonder if the IHA knows?

It seems very suspicious to me that with the technology available to find out the gender of one's baby and the lack of action by the Japanese government to allow females to succeed to the Chrysanthemum throne that the IHA might not find out at the first chance they got to find out the sex of this baby.

Here is a very hypotheical scenario/question: What if this baby is a girl and the Emperor and Empress' daughter Nori has a son? Even though when she married a commoner her royal status changed, could her son still succeed to the throne even if it bypassed his mother?

For example, that would mean the succession following the Emperor Akihito would be: Naruhito, followed by his brother (if Nori's son was too young), then Nori's son and then his son. Would that ever be possible?
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Old 08-18-2006, 08:55 PM
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Please someone correct me if I am wrong -- but I believe I read that the "Emperor-ship" has to pass through the male line. If that is true, then Nori's son wouldn't qualify because it has gone through the female. That is why past Emperor's took concubines to produce a male.

In addition, I also find it sooo odd that it is said people don't know. Wouldn't she have had amniocentisis just to determine if anything was wrong so that they could have appropriate pediatric help at the delivery? And with ultrasound having been done to determine placenta previa, surely the Dr. knows.
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Old 08-18-2006, 09:04 PM
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Please someone correct me if I am wrong -- but I believe I read that the "Emperor-ship" has to pass through the male line. If that is true, then Nori's son wouldn't qualify because it has gone through the female. That is why past Emperor's took concubines to produce a male.
Thanks again Emily.

It doesn't seem to make a lot of sense to me though: A son born to the happily married daughter of the Emperor and Empress is bypassed for a son born to a son of the Emperor and Empress and his concubine. Where is the reasoning in that?
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Old 08-18-2006, 09:09 PM
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I know. I feel the same way. Talk about a diluted line through the numerous concubines employed over centuries all for the sake of producing through the male. The rationale for this seems seriously undermined but I am struggling with myself to try and understand the cultural difference.
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Thanks again Emily.

It doesn't seem to make a lot of sense to me though: A son born to the happily married daughter of the Emperor and Empress is bypassed for a son born to a son of the Emperor and Empress and his concubine. Where is the reasoning in that?
The male line is the important one, it's been unbroken. According to traditionalists it's the unbroken y chromosome that gets passed down. Even in the past when there have been female emperors it was only a temporary measure until a male nephew could take over the throne. Therefore the male line has remained unbroken.

If Princess Sayako has a son, he still wouldn't be considered emperor material as the male line was broken, his male line comes from his father.

The male Emperor is the important one to pass on his y chromosome, it doesn't matter if the female was his wife or concubine.

Note here that this is extreme traditionalist thinking, on par with religious fundamentalism, most Japanese do not subscribe to this thinking. It's just the one that gets the most press as it's the most sensational, like religious fundamentalism.
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