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Old 08-16-2006, 01:28 AM
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i don't mean to be mean. . . but i also hoped for a girl too.
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Old 08-16-2006, 02:07 AM
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I am willing to wager anything on that it will be a boy. Doctors are perfectly capable of impregnating anyone with a sex of choice. She would have no reason to have another girl.

I agree with you and the family may already know the sex of the child. But, why is she in the hospital if the baby isn't due until September? Is she having complications?

And, well, I guess I'll have to say what I want, too-----------GIRL!!!
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Old 08-16-2006, 09:30 AM
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HRH Kimetha -- yes, she does have a medical concern: placenta previa. I do find it interesting that the IHA is releasing so much information to the press about her condition, though. I can't help wondering if they are trying to build sympathy for her prior to the delivery of this baby (IMO a boy) because they know many people do wish for Aiko to ascend the throne. Just my opinion -- any ideas from others?
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Old 08-16-2006, 09:36 AM
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HRH Kimetha -- yes, she does have a medical concern: placenta previa. I do find it interesting that the IHA is releasing so much information to the press about her condition, though. I can't help wondering if they are trying to build sympathy for her prior to the delivery of this baby (IMO a boy) because they know many people do wish for Aiko to ascend the throne. Just my opinion -- any ideas from others?
The IHA also gave out a lot of information when Masako was pregnant with Aiko. ( Even now they release information such as Aiko will be absent from Kindergarten as she's got a sore throat, in medical terminology!) When Masako went into labour there was a photo of her entering the hospital in the grounds of the Imperial Palace. It seems that pregnancy and birth and the medical state of the Japanese royals is made quite public. ( The public also got a lot of detail of the Emperor's prostate cancer treatment)
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Old 08-16-2006, 09:42 AM
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Expectant Kiko Is Taken To Hospital

EXPECTANT KIKO IS TAKEN TO HOSPITAL

16 AUGUST 2006

Princess Kiko of Japan was admitted to a Tokyo hospital on Wednesday in preparation for the eagerly-awaited birth of her third child expected next month. Traditionalists in the Asian country hope the 39-year-old royal - who is married to Akishino, Emperor Akihito's second son - will produce a male heir to the Chrysanthemum throne.

There's more to the article in:
http://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty.../princesskiko/

(Hope I'm not breaking any rule, if I am, feel free to edit this, I already read the rules and everything but I can't seem to remember them all, sorry!)
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Old 08-16-2006, 10:32 AM
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So now It won't take long until the new baby is born.
I hope for a girl, too!
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Old 08-16-2006, 11:14 AM
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I don't mena to be mean either, but I hope for a healthy baby GIRL!!!
Aiko should be the next Empress!!!!!
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Old 08-16-2006, 12:10 PM
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I wish a safe delivery for Princess Kiko, hope the child, whether a boy (though I also love Princess Aiko very much) or a girl, will be healthy.
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Charlotte -- do you know if people besides the Imperial family use the hospital on the grounds of the Palace?
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Old 08-16-2006, 02:12 PM
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My best wishes to the Princess for a safe delivery of a healthy baby- hopefully a little girl!!!

And if the IHA knows that the baby is a boy, why haven't they said so? Why all the suspense??? I would think they'd shout it to the heavens- it is a boy, no female Empress for Japan nyah nyah nyah
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Old 08-16-2006, 02:22 PM
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Knowing Akishino's views on concubines, I wouldn't be surprised if there were half a dozen or so concubines delivering at the same time as Kiko and the odds are one of them would certainly deliver a boy. Pull a switch and you have a new heir!
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Old 08-16-2006, 02:34 PM
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Charlotte -- do you know if people besides the Imperial family use the hospital on the grounds of the Palace?
Staff of the Imperial Household Agency also use the IHA hospital in the palace grounds.
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Old 08-16-2006, 03:44 PM
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I can only imagine the stress this lady is going through regarding both the health of her pregnancy and providing a male heir to the throne. If she should have a girl, I can imagine the resentment and anger of the traditionalists that want a baby boy and may even become mad at her even though nature helps that along. As much I would like a girl again, I hate to see her go through the rest of her life really she let the family and country down. Too much to bear for her.
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Old 08-16-2006, 05:07 PM
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Knowing Akishino's views on concubines, I wouldn't be surprised if there were half a dozen or so concubines delivering at the same time as Kiko and the odds are one of them would certainly deliver a boy. Pull a switch and you have a new heir!
Has Akishino expressed a favorable view to the use of concubines? I hadn't read that. I certainly hope that is not the case here even though we have really not been privileged to photos of the pregnant Kiko!
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Old 08-16-2006, 05:16 PM
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I don't know why but since few years I can't find any reason to start to like these two.

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wouldn't be surprised if there were half a dozen or so concubines delivering at the same time as Kiko and the odds are one of them would certainly deliver a boy.
Or Imagine possibility: Kiko's not really pregnant but one of his possible concubines - about which exist we doesn't know, and one of them give a birt to a baby-boy and after that thay will say that Kiko've done that.

Question about posibilities: What If he has few concubines and f.ex. few of them will give a birth to a boys but they'will need only one - what will happen with the others?
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Old 08-16-2006, 06:53 PM
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I don't remember Prince Akishino publically stating that his brother should take a concubine, but he did once attack his brother that he found it disgracefull that the Crown Prince had spoken so openly about his wife's problems adjusting without any notice to the Emperor, the Empress and the rest of the Imperial Family. I do however seem to remember that he did once suggest that his brother should divorce Masako in order to marry someone else.

A nephew or uncle of the Crown Prince did suggest that the Crown Prince should take a concubine, but unfortunatly I've seem to have forgotten his name.

Back to Kiko's baby then: I'm hoping for a girl, but I still fear it's going to be a boy. I'm a firm believer in the theory that this is an IVF-baby. How else explain the timing of the pregnancy? Why was the pregnancy announced just as the prime minister wanted to take the first steps in order to allow Aiko to become Empress? Why hadn't they tried to conceive another baby sooner after the birth of their youngest daughter?
I guess we will know soon enough...
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Old 08-16-2006, 07:19 PM
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I'm a firm believer in the theory that this is an IVF-baby. How else explain the timing of the pregnancy? Why was the pregnancy announced just as the prime minister wanted to take the first steps in order to allow Aiko to become Empress? Why hadn't they tried to conceive another baby sooner after the birth of their youngest daughter?
I guess we will know soon enough...
I don't have an opinon if it's an IVF baby or not. That's just something that I don't think we'll ever know.

However, just because this baby comes years after the arrival of their youngest daugther doesn't necessarily mean that the baby had to been conceived via fertility treatments. There are many reasons why a baby is born years after its other siblings. Consider Constantine and Anne-Marie of Greece who have admitted called their youngest children, Theodora and Phillippos "after thought" kids. Theodora was born in the early eighties while Nikolaos was born in the late sixties -- that is more than 10 years between the siblings. But I've never read that Anne-Marie conceived her youngest children via fertility treatments.
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Old 08-16-2006, 11:56 PM
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I don't remember Prince Akishino publically stating that his brother should take a concubine, but he did once attack his brother that he found it disgracefull that the Crown Prince had spoken so openly about his wife's problems adjusting without any notice to the Emperor, the Empress and the rest of the Imperial Family. I do however seem to remember that he did once suggest that his brother should divorce Masako in order to marry someone else.
It seems more than coincidence that he publicly sided with the IHA against his brother, his wife gets pregnant, the announcement of the pregnancy is made with a discrepancy between how far along she was and the expected birth date, and then some complication happens which doesn't require immediate attention but does require a caesarean delivery which means we'll never know when the real due date was. And that the Crown Princess has been let out of the country for the first time in years, just when this complication means that the birth will be taking place while the Crown Prince and his family are safely out of the way so there'll be no focus on them and it'll all be on the next little heir.

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A nephew or uncle of the Crown Prince did suggest that the Crown Prince should take a concubine, but unfortunatly I've seem to have forgotten his name.
That would have been Prince Tomohito.

http://www.columbiatribune.com/2005/...110News039.asp

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Back to Kiko's baby then: I'm hoping for a girl, but I still fear it's going to be a boy. I'm a firm believer in the theory that this is an IVF-baby. How else explain the timing of the pregnancy? Why was the pregnancy announced just as the prime minister wanted to take the first steps in order to allow Aiko to become Empress? Why hadn't they tried to conceive another baby sooner after the birth of their youngest daughter?
I guess we will know soon enough...
Indeed we will, and I don't suppose many betting shops are taking long odds on it being a boy.
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Akishino definitely did not make the statement that the crown prince should take a concubine. That statement was made in a newsletter by Prince Tomohito ( cousin of the Emperor) when he was stating his disagreement with changing the sucession laws. It was only the beginning of his sentence ( and naturally the only part that gets quoted as it's the most sensational!) the end of the sentence was that he said that in this day and age that was not socially acceptable. His solution was to reinstate the nobles who were disenfranchised after WW2. Things do change in the Imperial Family, Emperor Taisho ( the current emperor's grandfather) was the son of the Emperor and a concubine, tactfully called a 'lady in waiting'. The current Emperor's father Emperor Hirohito was urged to take a concubine in the 1930s after his wife had given birth to 4 daughters, he refused. The Empress then went on to give birth to 2 sons and another daughter, 7 children in all.

Akishino was critical with his brother that he went public with Masako's problems but that also was to do with the attitude "you don't discuss your problems publically" the Imperial Family are always to be quietly in the background and not newspaper fodder.

As far as the timing of Naruhito and Masako being out of the country, that has more to do with Japanese holiday season. Around the festival of O-Bon ( Aug 15th) Japanese get a week's holiday, M & N are holidaying when it's the Japanese holiday season. They didn't leave until Aug 16th as Naruhito went and paid his respects to his ancestors for O-Bon, photos have been posted by mandyy in the Naruhito thread. ( it's the festival honouring your ancestors. Like the catholic 'All Souls Day' where people visit family grave sites) Their trip to The Netherlands and the dates were announced before the news that Kiko was going into hospital. The original hospital date for Kiko was Sept 8th and at that time N & M would have been back in Japan. Kiko couldn't have gone into hospital earlier as her daughter Mako didn't come back to Japan from her Austrian Homestay until Aug. 16th.
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Charlotte -- do you know if people besides the Imperial family use the hospital on the grounds of the Palace?
mandyy has already answered this question. I'll just add a bit about the hospital. It's expensive to run. In a book by Yohei Mori into the costs of the Imperial Family published in 2003, he writes that the $2million dollar clinic has 8 medical departments, a staff of 42 and averages only 28 visitors a day! Basically staff.

It seems now-a-days if the condition of the Imperial Family member is serious they go to a general hospital in Tokyo, not the one in the grounds of the Imperial Palace. Emperor Akihito was treated for prostate cancer at St Luke's International Hospital, so I think his cousin Prince Tomohito recently for throat cancer. Princess Takamatsu ( elderly aunt) died at St Luke's International hospital. Kiko I've noticed has entered a regular hospital for her baby's caesarian birth, her daughters I'm pretty sure were born at the palace hospital.
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