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Old 09-09-2006, 12:47 AM
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Come on...nobody knows if they really wanted to have more children. They may say this now as an excuse for this last pregnancy. The IHA controls their lifes and whatever they say this comes out in the newspapers and during interviews.

It was made quite public that Princess Kiko and her husband were asked to try for children again, apparently the Emperor himself asked them too. So really it became their "duty" to try and have another child.

My feeling is that if a change is made, a change shouldn't be made retroactively. I think it was wrong for example that Carol Phillip of Sweden was named crown prince and then stripped of his birthright, yes he was a baby (but still).

It is a lot fairer to say that it applies to future generations as in how it is being handled in Norway and perhaps Spain.
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Old 09-09-2006, 01:17 PM
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Yes. I also think it was awful to strip Carl Philip of his birth right. Now we can't go back, since Victoria is the one, who has been raised to inherit the thrown, and Carl Philip has adjusted himself to not be the heir, but really, it was just plain wrong. They were just thinking about equality between the sexes and didn't think about the tradition of carrying the Bernadotte line further.

As for the current situation in Japan, I have said it before, and I will say it again. I wouldn't have had any problem with Aiko, Mako or Kako becoming an empress one day, if it hadn't been for the birth of this boy. In my opinion, boys and girls are worth just as much, but they're also different. Therefor, I have no problem with female monarchs, that is reigning queens and empresses, but males should still come first in line.
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Old 09-09-2006, 02:46 PM
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The IHA deserves no congratulations. The Imperial House of Fushimi-no-miya deserves all the credit and messages of congratulation. Mazeltov!
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Old 09-09-2006, 09:51 PM
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They seem to be learning from experience. Reproducing is a primary function in an hereditary system. Naruhito married and started trying to breed way too late, which is what caused the crisis. If Akishino and Kiko hadn't waited fourteen years to start shooting (sorry) for a son, a lot of anxiety could have been prevented. I don't want to sound mean and crude, but this is a basic rule royalty world-over has understood for centuries.
Masako is a lovely, brilliant, talented person who has not been treated very well, and we all feel for her travails, but the fact remains she failed at the one function she absolutely had to perform. The IHA is not going to let that happen again.
After reading the first few lines of your posts what came to my mind how desperate is the Imperial Household to have male heirs to save the Imperial Family from the genetic bottleneck created by the restrictions with the new constitution.
So why not use modern technology since we have seem the lack of respect they have shown to both Masako and Kiko for not producing males? Just use DNA cloning and get it over with! It's seem the only thing left for them to do. I mean, that baby boy just born now has the demands not just to marry but to have baby boys himself. It's like looking at the future 20 or 25 years from know and guessing who would be the new princess to go through what Kiko and Masako have gone through these past few years.
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Old 09-10-2006, 12:07 AM
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I fully share your opinion, Asma, and I should have said the same than you if my English were as good as yours!

I don't see anything "sinister" in the fact of Princess Kiko having a boy. She just got pregnant and gave birth to a little baby boy. It seems that some of you blame her for being the mother of a male creature!. I almost laughed aloud when some of you wrote that this was "unjuste" or "not fair" or something. Well the baby is a boy, and must be weel received as all human creatures should be. Sorry if you are dissapointed of him not being a girl.

I'm not against Sovereign Queens as Catherine the Great, Elizabeth I in England and Isabel the Catholic in Spain, but I'm not a furious feminist that hates men rulers and that things that the world should be better if women were in power. My personal opinion is that men could be as good or bad than women, and that women could be as good or bad than men. Please: walk together in the path of life, and accept that there are Monarchies were they could be Kings and others were Queen should rule. One thing is not better than the other and we need to live in a plural, colorful world. If all people should live in the same way, life should be unbearable and boring.

I'm sure that Princess Aiko will be happy even if she doesn't rule her country. Many Kings and Queens were bad rulers for they were not born for this task. We must know what she really think about this matter when she will become an adult. If she is really interested to rule, she could fight for it. History doesn't ends today. Bad things could turn into good things tomorrow, as some time ago, good things turned into bad ones...If Princess Aiko must become Tenno, she'll do. No doubt of it.

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Old 09-10-2006, 03:51 AM
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Japan emperor, empress meet newest little prince
Japan's Emperor Akihito and his wife, Empress Michiko, got the first glimpse on Sunday of their baby grandson, the first male heir born into the imperial family in more than four decades....As the two emerged from the central Tokyo hospital where the prince and his mother are staying, reporters shouted: "Congratulations on the birth of the prince!"
"Thank you," the emperor replied, beaming...
http://go.reuters.com/newsArticle.jh...=rss/worldNews

Japan's Emperor Akihito and Empress Michiko arrive at Aiiku Hospital in Tokyo September 10, 2006 to see Princess Kiko, wife of their second son Prince Akishino, and her newly-born baby boy.

#1: From Reuters
#2-3: Profimedia
#4: www.yuko2ch.net -the Empress brought a pair of baby shoes as a gift for the baby when they arrived for their 1st visit
#5: Yomiuri news



Prince Akishino meets emperor, empress to report on baby's birth
Prince Akishino visited Emperor Akihito and Empress Michiko at the Imperial Palace in Tokyo on Sunday to report in person on the birth of his son, the imperial family's first baby boy in nearly 41 years, the Imperial Household Agency said.
The prince's two daughters, princesses Mako and Kako, later joined him and the imperial couple for lunch, according to the agency..............
http://asia.news.yahoo.com/060910/kyodo/d8k1p33o0.html

#1: Yomiuri news


Japan's Emperor Akihito and Empress Michiko respond to reporters as they leave Aiiku Hospital in Tokyo September 10, 2006.
#1-3: From Reuters
#4-5: Profimedia
#6: Yomiuri news
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Old 09-10-2006, 04:41 AM
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Does anybody know if prince Naruhito and princess Masako went to visit their nephew?
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Old 09-10-2006, 04:46 AM
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Does anybody know if prince Naruhito and princess Masako went to visit their nephew?
They haven't visited yet...but I think they will after the Emperor and Empress visited the newborn baby.
2 more photos from Yomiuri news
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They haven't visited yet...but I think they will after the Emperor and Empress visited the newborn baby.
Is this part of the protocol? Wait first until the Emperor and Empress visit, then it's their turn? I'm eager to hear about or see pictures of other family members visiting.....
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Old 09-10-2006, 09:09 AM
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Aww those grandparents are just beaming. As for IVF Or not, wasn't Aiko by reports IVF? So whats the difference?
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Old 09-10-2006, 09:13 AM
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No difference at all, as I see it. But many people here wanted Aiko to become empress one day, and if this child would have been a girl, that would have happened sooner or later. But now, this child is a boy, and he's the heir, and they're very disappointed, that the change in the succession didn't happen.
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No difference at all, as I see it. But many people here wanted Aiko to become empress one day, and if this child would have been a girl, that would have happened sooner or later. But now, this child is a boy, and he's the heir, and they're very disappointed, that the change in the succession didn't happen.
what I mean especially is because if Aiko hadn't been born by IVF, well than Princess Mako would be the one they'd eventually have to give the throne to (if no males were born.) But I don't see anyone here on this board talking about how unfair it is to Princess Mako...
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Old 09-10-2006, 01:31 PM
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CNN VIDEO: report talking about the birth a few days ago.

In the third paragraph click on: (Watch Japan welcome a new royal -- 2:56)
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapc...ess/index.html
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what I mean especially is because if Aiko hadn't been born by IVF, well than Princess Mako would be the one they'd eventually have to give the throne to (if no males were born.) But I don't see anyone here on this board talking about how unfair it is to Princess Mako...
Okay, now I get it. Well, no one has really questioned the rule, that the first born will inherit the thrown. And Naruhito was older than Akishino. Likewise, the first born's firstborn is also the heir, even if there are cousins born before him. Therefor, Crown prince Frederik's son will once become the king of Denmark, even though Frederik's younger brother Joachim had children before him. No one thought Mako and Kako had more right to the thrown than Aiko, because Aiko was the crown prince's daughter, and Mako and Kako weren't.
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Old 09-10-2006, 01:57 PM
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Congratulations to the family. No matter what I hope the baby is blessed with a healthy life.
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Old 09-10-2006, 02:32 PM
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While the feminist part of me wants Aiko to ascend the throne, I, with the help of a friend who spent a year abroad, living and studying in Japan, have come to accept why the birth of this baby boy is so important. It may not be what we want, as others have posted, but I would bet that no one is celebrating more than that imperial family. Future duties aside, I hope the baby prince is happy, above all. And I do hope that provisions/plans are being made for Aiko's future, in terms of her college education, etc. I think Aiko will be able to do much more as a commoner.

Will Sayako and her husband need a formal invitation to visit the new baby? Can they visit at the hospital?
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Who's Sayako? Do you mean Masako, perhaps?
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Who's Sayako? Do you mean Masako, perhaps?
Sayako is Akishino & Naruhito's sister. She married a commoner in Nov. '05- some threads on Sayako- Picture Thread, Current Events, & Sayako's wedding thread
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Dutch premier congratulates Japan on birth of royal baby
...The Dutch premier offered his congratulations in a chat with Japanese Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi on the sidelines of a two-day Asia-Europe Meeting summit in the Finnish capital, the officials said....Balkenende and Koizumi also talked about the visit by Japanese Crown Prince Naruhito and his family to the Netherlands in August....
http://asia.news.yahoo.com/060910/kyodo/d8k22u3g1.html
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