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Old 08-12-2013, 03:29 PM
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Does any of Princess Astrid children have boyfriend/girlfriend (s)?

Which one of Princess Astrid children is it.Who is getting engaged?Do you know who the lucky person is.
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Old 08-12-2013, 03:31 PM
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No one as for now; I am just speculating that no sooner than when they get engaged, we will know the identity of their beloved ones.
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Old 10-06-2013, 01:51 PM
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According to the ascension of the throne of King Philippe, how this affects the future (and hypothetical) marriage of Astrid Children, do you think their uncle would made their partners Prince/Princess of Belgium or there is any chance they grant some other title (like in the British Royal Family)?
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Old 08-29-2014, 10:33 PM
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In what year did Archduke Lorenz receive the title of Duc de Bar?
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Old 08-30-2014, 06:21 AM
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As an Austrian Archduke and a male member of the House of Habsburg- Lothringen he helds this title since his birth. For example the late AD Otto also held and used the title Duc de Bar while he was studying in Belgium.
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Haha, first let me daydream... (it's obvious Joachim is my crush) If we get married, I will not have a problem with titles. It's very fine with me and our children to have no titles, no dotation, whatever. We only love Joachim...but the question is... what surname would Joachim's future wife (daydreaming: me) and children have? As well as Elisabetta and their (Amedeo and Elisabetta's) children? ... Habsburg-Este? De Belgique/Van Belgie/Von Belgien?

Are the unmarried siblings allowed to marry non-Catholic Christians? I am hoping they will be.

Is it also necessary for Astrid and Lorenz's grandchildren to have multiple names? Since they will not bear titles (unless granted), I think it's not necessary to name the grandchildren 3-up names, right? Or maybe it's up to the parents...

Since Amadeo didn't ask for a marriage permission from King Philippe, Elisabetta is presently Princess Amadeo of Belgium (from reading the previous posts concerning this matter). I think she is an Archduchess of Habsburg-Este because Archduke Lorenz is the head of Habsburg-Este, and obviously, he granted them his consent... or do they really need to ask permission from the head of Habsburg-Lorraine for Elisabetta to be Archduchess Elisabetta of Habsburg-Este?

P.S. Please excuse my daydreams. Thank you very much for understanding and for the answers to my queries : )
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Official name changes are seldom approved in Belgium. Prince Joachim's wife would most likely keep her legal name, although she could unofficially use her husband's surname. Elisabetta uses Rosboch.

The royal court has not clarified what they will call Elisabetta or her children. Princess Astrid's grandchildren (but not her children-in-law) will legally be Princes(ses) of Belgium unless the royal decree of 1991 is repealed in the future.

The Constitution does not require the royal family to practice any faith.

I hope I have answered some of your questions.



On the subject of titles: Though Belgium recognizes their abolished Austrian imperial titles, Princess Astrid and Prince Lorenz and their children are officially styled only Royal Highness.

For example, the announcement of Prince Amedeo's engagement reads "Hunne Koninklijke Hoogheden Prinses Astrid en Prins Lorenz hebben het groot genoegen de verloving aan te kondigen van Zijne Koninklijke Hoogheid Prins Amedeo met Juffrouw Elisabetta Maria Rosboch von Wolkenstein."

De Belgische Monarchie: Home - Actueel - Agenda - Verloving van Zijne Koninklijke Hoogheid Prins Amedeo met Juffrouw Elisabetta Maria Rosboch von Wolkenstein
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Haha, first let me daydream... (it's obvious Joachim is my crush) If we get married, I will not have a problem with titles. It's very fine with me and our children to have no titles, no dotation, whatever. We only love Joachim...but the question is... what surname would Joachim's future wife (daydreaming: me) and children have? As well as Elisabetta and their (Amedeo and Elisabetta's) children? ... Habsburg-Este? De Belgique/Van Belgie/Von Belgien?

Are the unmarried siblings allowed to marry non-Catholic Christians? I am hoping they will be.

Is it also necessary for Astrid and Lorenz's grandchildren to have multiple names? Since they will not bear titles (unless granted), I think it's not necessary to name the grandchildren 3-up names, right? Or maybe it's up to the parents...

Since Amadeo didn't ask for a marriage permission from King Philippe, Elisabetta is presently Princess Amadeo of Belgium (from reading the previous posts concerning this matter). I think she is an Archduchess of Habsburg-Este because Archduke Lorenz is the head of Habsburg-Este, and obviously, he granted them his consent... or do they really need to ask permission from the head of Habsburg-Lorraine for Elisabetta to be Archduchess Elisabetta of Habsburg-Este?

P.S. Please excuse my daydreams. Thank you very much for understanding and for the answers to my queries : )
In Belgium you would be Prinses van BelgiŽ / Princesse de Belgique depending on the region in Belgium where you are registered. The real surname on itself, which is in Belgium the surname the father is registered with, is Van Oostenrijk-Este / d'Autriche-Este. In Austria itself they refuse to speak about "Of Austria" and therefore all members of the Archducal family are named "Habsburg" (not even using the "von").

In Belgium, until 1996 Lorenz was registered with the title and surname Aartshertog van Oostenrijk-Este / Archiduc d'Autriche-Este. When Lorenz' children or grandchildren no longer use the title Prince of Belgium, then this is their natural title and surname. Lorenz' other titles (Duke of Modena, Royal Prince of Hungary and name them all) are not legally recognized in Belgium. Of course he can use it but in his Belgian passport only "Prince of Belgium" and "Archduke of Austria-Este" are registered.

How your children would be styled depends on the situation. When the children are no longer in the line of succession for the Belgian throne (as is rumoured with Amedeo himself) then it seems logical to me that the children are no longer Prince(ss) of Belgium. The many names with which the Habsburgers are baptized are a tradition. They want to include the many saints from their extended former lands, they want to honour family members who are acting as godfather or -mother or want to honour a special person.

When we look to Prince Joachim Karl Maria Nikolaus Isabelle Marcus d'Aviano of Belgium, Archduke of Austria then the names are pretty logical:

Joachim - a first name the parents like
Karl - the name of the last Emperor of Austria and King of Hungary, the Blessed Karl I (grandfather of Lorenz)
Maria - the name of the Virgin
Nikolaus - godfather Prince Nikolaus von und zu Liechtenstein
Isabelle - godmother Archduchess Isabelle of Austria-Este
Marcus d'Aviano - the name of a Blessed Capucin Monk which is born by countless of Habsburgers, him being seen as guardian for their wellbeing
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If your children will be Belgian, you can even give them your name!

Up until a year ago children (with an official father) got the name of their father automatically. But now you can choose: name dad, name mum, name dad & name mum or the other way round.

Go crazy :-)
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Wow, thank you sooo much for the complete answers - Tatiana Maria, Duc et Pair and cdm! I learned a lot : )) God bless you all!
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My pleasure.


Even supposing that the court will refer to Joachim's wife as a Princess of Belgium, I think it is not very likely that she would be granted an officially registered title, except perhaps Archduchess of Austria-Este. But we shall see.

It is clear that Prince Amedeo did not receive official permission from the king and government for his marriage (see Amedeo and Elisabetta's thread for more information) and ergo Article 85 of the Constitution strips Amedeo himself of his succession rights, but it does not clarify the rights of his future children.
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I was wondering what title the children of Amedeo and Elisabetta will have,but I guess this will be clarified when a pregnancy is announced.
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I really hope that your guess will prove right, An Ard Ri, but somehow I fear it won't.
The Royal Court didn't bother to say anything about Elisabetta's status and title, so I wouldn't be surprised if things will continue to be so much messy and unclear in the future.
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When the children of Prince Amedeo and Prince Joachim are only Archduke of Austria-Este then we know that they are no longer in line of succession for the Belgian throne.

The Belgians need to make a change somewhere. Because the titles are hereditary in both the male and female line without limit (unlike in the Netherlands, Luxembourg or the United Kingdom, for an example) there is a chance that there will be countless Princes and Princesses of Belgium walking around.

In other monarchies the movement is going the opposite way: the fewer Princes and Princesses, the better.
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To His Grace the Duke of Lapalisse .

The Belgian Royal Court and the Belgium Government know better than you how they have to handle the tittles of Princes or Princesses of Belgium in the future.

Please continue to glorify your royal family of the Netherands .

For the others as Pair of France remain respectful.

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When the children of Prince Amedeo and Prince Joachim are only Archduke of Austria-Este then we know that they are no longer in line of succession for the Belgian throne.

The Belgians need to make a change somewhere. Because the titles are hereditary in both the male and female line without limit (unlike in the Netherlands, Luxembourg or the United Kingdom, for an example) there is a chance that there will be countless Princes and Princesses of Belgium walking around.

In other monarchies the movement is going the opposite way: the fewer Princes and Princesses, the better.

The way things are going we could have the same situation in Sweden though I suspect there will be some kind of limitation sooner or later.


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