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Old 12-24-2009, 06:21 AM
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I think not that the present Princes and Princesses lose their Titles. But that their children don't vecome Princes and Pricnesses. The children of Pricness Astrid have their own Titles and for ther other the King could create an countly title or something like that. At the moment the King and Queen have 12 granchildren. If they all marry and have again 3-4 children wo will be Prince/Princess that are a lot.


But , Prince Laurent is married to Claire and she is not noble...
And their children Louise , Nicolas and Aymeric.
Nicolas och Aymeric is only Prince of Belgium. And when they marry and have children , what will their childrens title be??
I mean.. Nicolas and Aymeric isent Archduke or something.
So their children must be Princess or Prince of Belgium??
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But , Prince Laurent is married to Claire and she is not noble...
And their children Louise , Nicolas and Aymeric.
Nicolas och Aymeric is only Prince of Belgium. And when they marry and have children , what will their childrens title be??
I mean.. Nicolas and Aymeric isent Archduke or something.
So their children must be Princess or Prince of Belgium??

Will Prince Amedeos future wife be Princess of Belgium?
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Old 12-24-2009, 10:29 AM
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The title "Prince of Belgium" can't be transmitted by marriage; therefore his wife will be HRH Princess X of Belgium if the King will create her Princess of Belgium (like Mathilde and Claire), while if not she will be HRH Princess Amedeo of Belgium (like Lea, the widow of Prince Alexandre, usually called Princess Lea but her right title is Princess Alexandre of Belgium).
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How about the spouses of Princess Astrid"s other kids and their future children?
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Old 12-25-2009, 05:33 AM
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About Joachim, as well as Nicolas and Aymeric, is the same of Amedeo;
About the three daughters, as well as their cousin Louise, I don't know, because it's a situation never happened before; the only one comparable to is the marriage of Astrid and Lorenz, but is however different, since Astrid was the daughter of the King and the second in the LoS; but according to the present law, nothing forbide but also nothing states that the husbands of the Princesses of Belgium have to be create Princes of Belgium.
Really, we only have to wait and see what will happen when one of King Albert and Queen Paola's granddaughters will marry.
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Old 12-27-2009, 11:13 AM
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Whats the wealth of Princess Astrid and her children??
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Old 12-27-2009, 12:12 PM
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I don't think that is known for sure. As far as I know, the princess receives a yearly dotation of around 300.000 euro, and her husband still works and sits in several management boards of important companies, for which he receives a salary. How much and what they actually own is not publicly known. I have also no idea as to how much Amedeo earns over there in NY. The other children do not work yet. The exact amount of their personal capital is kept private. I don't even know if their villa belongs to the Royal Trust or to them.
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Old 12-27-2009, 12:39 PM
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For Princes Amadeo and Joachim , they will remain Princes of Belgium and Archidukes of Habsbourg-Este their whole life.
The Princesses will remain their whole life R and I H.
We have last year the wedding of the oldest girl of Archichukes Christian and Marie-Christine with Count Rodolphe de Limburg-Stirum.
At an important event I saw on their chairs:
Comte Rodolphe de Limburg-Stirum
S.A.R.et I. la Comtesse Rodolphe de Limburg Stirum
Their coming children were no RH anymore.
It will be the same for Astrid's girls , for Princess Eleonore and Princess Louise.
Princess Elisabeth will be Crown Princess and her Grand-Father's death.
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For Princes Amadeo and Joachim , they will remain Princes of Belgium and Archidukes of Habsbourg-Este their whole life.
The Princesses will remain their whole life R and I H.
We have last year the wedding of the oldest girl of Archichukes Christian and Marie-Christine with Count Rodolphe de Limburg-Stirum.
At an important event I saw on their chairs:
Comte Rodolphe de Limburg-Stirum
S.A.R.et I. la Comtesse Rodolphe de Limburg Stirum
Their coming children were no RH anymore.
It will be the same for Astrid's girls , for Princess Eleonore and Princess Louise.
Princess Elisabeth will be Crown Princess and her Grand-Father's death.


Prince Amedeo is 7 in line to the belgian throne... When Princess Élisabeth becomes queen , he is at 5th (if you dont count Astrid in).
Then he is quite close to the "throne". But that means that he´s future children will become Princess of Belgium?
The only thing is dont now is Nicolas and Aymeric.. Everybody knows that they wont become King of the Belgians... They arent even close..
But if they have children .. Then they must have a title ..
Perhaps"name" de Belgique- without a title????
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Will the future grandchildren be included in the line to the Belgian throne?
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Prince Amedeo is 7 in line to the belgian throne... When Princess Élisabeth becomes queen , he is at 5th (if you dont count Astrid in).
Then he is quite close to the "throne". But that means that he´s future children will become Princess of Belgium?
The only thing is dont now is Nicolas and Aymeric.. Everybody knows that they wont become King of the Belgians... They arent even close..
But if they have children .. Then they must have a title ..
Perhaps"name" de Belgique- without a title????
Considering that the Duke of Brabant has 4 children eleigible to the Throne, the oldest of whom is 8 and the youngest is only 1 year old, even a 5 position in the Line of Succession is quite far; I don't think Astrid's descendants will become Kings or Queens of the Belgians.
The present law doesn't provide for limits for the title Prince of Belgium (except one, regarding the wives of the Princes, who have to be created Princesses by the King in order to be "HRH Princess her name of Belgium", like Mathilde; if not, they are only "HRH Princess husband's name of Belgium", like Léa). Therefore, if Amedeo or his siblings marries with the permission of the King and have children now, they would be Princes of Belgium. But since a similar case has not happened until now, this is only an hypothesys; it's possible that when one of the grandchildren of King Albert and Queen Paola will marry, the government will change the law.

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Will the future grandchildren be included in the line to the Belgian throne?
Yes, they will be in the Line of Succession, if their parents marry with the permission of the King.
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Princess Astrid of Belgium 's children are the highest titled Princes of Europe and as MAfan says very well , Philippe and Mathilde have 4 children. They are not prepared to be on the throne of Belgium. They are studying in well-known universities and they will WORK like their father Prince Lorenz.
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Princess Astrid of Belgium 's children are the highest titled Princes of Europe and as MAfan says very well , Philippe and Mathilde have 4 children. They are not prepared to be on the throne of Belgium. They are studying in well-known universities and they will WORK like their father Prince Lorenz.

I know this will sound strange .. But Prince Laurent's wife Claire 's Princess of Belgium .. And Amedeo is before Laurent to the Belgian throne ..
But then it would be rather strange if Amedeo future wife does not have a title .. As "Princess of Belgium".. What do you all think?? Mybe the King of Belgium will give her an other title as Countess of ------- , I dont really now.
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I know this will sound strange .. But Prince Laurent's wife Claire 's Princess of Belgium .. And Amedeo is before Laurent to the Belgian throne ..
But then it would be rather strange if Amedeo future wife does not have a title .. As "Princess of Belgium".. What do you all think?? Mybe the King of Belgium will give her an other title as Countess of ------- , I dont really now.
Prince Amedeo's wife, as well as the wives of his brother Joachim and his cousins Gabriel, Emmanuel, Nicolas and Aymeric, will hold a Princely title:
- if the marriage will be allowed by the King, probably she will be created "HRH Princess her name of Belgium", like Claire and Mathilde;
- if the marriage will not be allowed by the King, or if the King won't create her Princess of Belgium in her own right, she will be "HRH Princess Amedeo of Belgium".
In any case, she will have a title.

The problem regards Amedeo's children and their titles, since it never happened that the grandson of a King of the Belgians married and had children during the reign of his grandfather; this is an unprecedented situation, therefore we have no way to know exactly what will happen.
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mmm I know that it would be ridiculous a "prince Maria Laura of Belgium", but what says the law about that?
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I'm not sure, but I fear the law says nothing about it...I guess it is a decision of the Sovereign.
Again, there are no unprecedented situation; the only situation similar to this one may be Astrid and Lorenz, since Lorenz is the only one who has been created Prince of Belgium having married the daughter of the King; but at the time Astrid was second in the Line of Succession, and the daughter of the King; and the title was given to Lorenz some years after the revision of the Constitution.
I think nothing forbades the King to create the future husband of Maria Laura (and the future husbands of all his granddaughters) "Prince of Belgium", but at the same time nothing imposes him to do...
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I am afraid , that will never happen for the Princesses, thay will take their future husband's name and will remain HR as I said before..The only Princesses of Belgium would be Archidukes/Princes Amadeo and Joachim 's future wives and Princes Gabriel, Emmanuel, Nicolas, Ameyric's future wives but for them it is really to early to speak about that .
For Princess Maria Esmeralda , she remains Princess because she is involved in her father's ( King Leopold III) ,scientific foundations but her husband is professor Moncando and their 2 children Alexandra and Leopoldo are not princes of Belgium.
I wonder if in the USA , Marie-Christine- Daphne married two times, is still wearing her title of Princess of Belgium..
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But Marie Esmeralda and Marie Christine are not in the Line of Succession, since the changes in the constitution involved only the descendants of King Albert II.
Quite surely the husband of Princess Elisabeth will be created Prince of Belgium, and probably the husband of Princess Eleonore too (like Prince Lorenz).
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But Marie Esmeralda and Marie Christine are not in the Line of Succession, since the changes in the constitution involved only the descendants of King Albert II.
Quite surely the husband of Princess Elisabeth will be created Prince of Belgium, and probably the husband of Princess Eleonore too (like Prince Lorenz).

I need to ask you all... Elisabeth becomes queen of Belgium.. But what happends if Gabriel and Emmanuel marries the future monarch of ex: Spain , Norway or The nederlands???? And mybe Eleonore with Denmark : Prince Christian... I am quite wierd) But what happends then?? And if Elisabeth dosent have eny children... Will Amedeo become king?? Or his future children become King/queen of the belgians??
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Amedeo can become king only after the death of all tthe descendants of Philippe and Mathilde, and of his mother Astrid. (so, I hope that he doesn't become King)
About Gabriel and Emmanuel marrying foreign future Queens, it depends from the law of the Countries of the wives: some countries forbids the personal unions with another State, so I guess the Prince would have to renounce to his rights to the belgian Throne.
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