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Old 12-02-2014, 01:54 PM
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The announcement of his engagement occurred in February 2014. No royal decree expressing dynastic authorisation for his marriage was gazetted in the Moniteur Belge prior to his 5 July 2014 wedding, as foreseen in Article 85 of the Belgian Constitution, nor has a subsequent official communication on the matter been issued. A commentator on the military parade for La Une on 21 July 2014 (Belgian National Day) explained that no royal authorisation was announced because Amedeo intentionally chose not to request permission to marry, and therefore Amedeo is no longer to be considered in the line of succession, however that interpretation has been confirmed by neither the royal household nor government.
does anyone know something about this?
It is correct that a prince (or princess) of Belgium who marries without the legal consent of the king loses his (or her) place in the line of succession. From the Belgian Constitution:

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Sera déchu de ses droits à la couronne, le prince qui se serait marié sans le consentement du Roi ou de ceux qui, à son défaut, exercent ses pouvoirs dans les cas prévus par la Constitution.
Google translation: "Be deprived of his right to the crown, the prince who marries without the consent of the King or those who, in his absence, exercising its powers as provided by the Constitution."


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Is it correct to call Elisabetta princess as in Belgium you have to be titled princess to be able to be a princess of Belgium?
To the best of my knowledge, neither the Belgian court nor the Belgian government have clarified her social title (if any). The only certainty is that she does not have a legal Belgian title.


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If he is no longer in the line of succession, is he still a prince of Belgium or has he been also stripped of his title ?
No, losing one's place in the line of succession does not strip a prince (or princess) of his (or her) title.
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Old 12-02-2014, 06:28 PM
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So basically Amedeo and Elisabetta are now in the same situation as the late Prince Alexander and wife: no succession rights (which hopefully won't be an issue) and she legally isn't a Princess of Belgium.
But really, it wouldn't be that terrible if the Belgian Court issued some clarification.
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Wiki calls he 'HI&RH Archduchess Elisabetta'
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Old 12-02-2014, 07:01 PM
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Prince Amedeo and Princess Elisabetta, News and Events Part 1, July 2014- pre...

A Belgian princess or not she must be an archduchess of Habsburg-Este right?


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Old 12-02-2014, 09:00 PM
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So basically Amedeo and Elisabetta are now in the same situation as the late Prince Alexander and wife: no succession rights (which hopefully won't be an issue) and she legally isn't a Princess of Belgium.
Titlewise, Lili Rosboch's situation is a new one. The title Princess of Belgium was automatically received by wives of Princes of Belgium before December 15, 1991, and so Prince Alexander's wife legally is a princess by marriage, while Mathilde and Claire are legally princesses by royal decree.

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But really, it wouldn't be that terrible if the Belgian Court issued some clarification.
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Wiki calls he 'HI&RH Archduchess Elisabetta'
So far as I'm aware, she hasn't publicly used that title herself. (The Belgian court normally styles Amedeo and his siblings "HRH" and "Prince(ss) NN of Belgium.")
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Old 12-02-2014, 09:13 PM
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It just strikes me as odd that Amedeo would deliberately not seek permission from his uncle the king, and from the government. It would almost certainly have not been denied. The bride's family, reputation, and lineage are practically tailor made for the Belgian RF.

Amedeo has never seemed like the rebellious type. Maybe he just realizes that Philippe's line is so secure that the chances he would ever be needed anyway are nil...so he didn't bother?
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Old 12-02-2014, 09:17 PM
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It just strikes me as odd that Amedeo would deliberately not seek permission from his uncle the king, and from the government. It would almost certainly have not been denied. The bride's family, reputation, and lineage are practically tailor made for the Belgian RF.

Amedeo has never seemed like the rebellious type. Maybe he just realizes that Philippe's line is so secure that the chances he would ever be needed anyway are nil...so he didn't bother?

Didn't that happen with some of the sons of Margriet of the Netherlands? They knew they where so far down the line of succession that they didn't bother to have their marriages approved by the government?


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Old 12-03-2014, 12:06 AM
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My knowledge of Dutch Royal history is practically nil. The go-to posters for this would be Marengo or lucien. Both have encyclopedic expertise here!
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Didn't that happen with some of the sons of Margriet of the Netherlands? They knew they where so far down the line of succession that they didn't bother to have their marriages approved by the government?


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Princess Margriet's two youngest sons, Pieter-Christiaan and Floris, both did not seek approval from the government for their marriages as chance of them succeeding to the throne was very remote. Once their cousin become King, they would have been removed from the succession anyway due to the degree of kinship clause.

Amedeo might have thought along similar lines - there are five people before him in the line of succession, so it is unlikely he will ever become King.

Or he did seek/receive permission, but no official communication has been released (oddly).
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Or he did seek/receive permission, but no official communication has been released (oddly).
As a Belgian constitutional power, the king's consent to marriages of princes(ses) must be countersigned by a minister and published in the Belgisch Staatsblad/Moniteur Belge to be legal.

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There are royal decrees authorizing Prince Philippe and Prince Laurent's marriages and granting their wives titles, but none authorizing Prince Amedeo's marriage or granting his wife a title.
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Didn't that happen with some of the sons of Margriet of the Netherlands? They knew they where so far down the line of succession that they didn't bother to have their marriages approved by the government?


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It happened to her two younger sons. Their two older brothers remained in the line of succession until Queen Beatrix's abdication. When Willem-Alexander became king, they were removed from the line of succession for being related to the current monarch in the 4th degree of consanguinity. Under the Dutch constitution, only relatives of the monarch up to the 3rd degree are eligible to the throne.
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Old 12-03-2014, 09:36 AM
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It just strikes me as odd that Amedeo would deliberately not seek permission from his uncle the king, and from the government. It would almost certainly have not been denied. The bride's family, reputation, and lineage are practically tailor made for the Belgian RF.

Amedeo has never seemed like the rebellious type. Maybe he just realizes that Philippe's line is so secure that the chances he would ever be needed anyway are nil...so he didn't bother?
I wouldn't call it rebellious. They probably discussed this issue privately and decided that the succession was safe enough with the kids of Philipe and Mathilde. So they may have decided to keep the RF slim by simply not going for "offically asking of concent".
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As a Belgian constitutional power, the king's consent to marriages of princes(ses) must be countersigned by a minister and published in the Belgisch Staatsblad/Moniteur Belge to be legal.

The Staatsblad may be searched online at
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There are royal decrees authorizing Prince Philippe and Prince Laurent's marriages and granting their wives titles, but none authorizing Prince Amedeo's marriage or granting his wife a title.
I suppose then we can assume that no {official} consent was asked for by Amedeo.
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Old 12-13-2014, 02:54 PM
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During Q. Fabiola's funeral, I paid attention on what the journalist were calling P. Amedeo's wife.
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* Princess Amedeo
* Archduchess Elisabetta
But mainly Elisabetta and Lili
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Their wedding picture is being used as a stock wedding photo in a story about weddings

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It is unfortunate that a photo from Prince Amedeo's and Princess Elisabetta's wedding was used for such stupid article.
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That article's writer should've just used a drawing or another foto - not that of Amedeo and Elisabetta.

About Amedeo not asking permission, I think he and Lili don't care about the LoS at all. It seems to me Amedeo and his siblings never cared about their titles at all. They live like us - like commoners . Also, Elisabetta is not an ambitious kind of lady who wants to be called a princess. She married Amedeo for love, not for his titles : )
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[...] Also, Elisabetta is not an ambitious kind of lady who wants to be called a princess. She married Amedeo for love, not for his titles : )
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Truth. Lili always seemed to be in love with Amedeo.

Where he works Lili?
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