Would the Lux. princes be allowed to marry a non-catholic

[firelight]

Originally Posted by lisamaria

If the girl was a religious type, and her faith had a deeper meaning to her, surely she would be better off staying faithfull to her values and principles than giving them up for a cute guy?

So true, although I suppose if she's marrying the cute guy in question, he's a bit more than just cute to her!

Even if she's not religious, should she be going around pretending to a faith she has no belief in? Isn't that hypocrisy? If I were Luxembourgian citizen, I would have no trouble with a royal bride of any religion so long as the prince and his children remained Catholic. As long as the bride doesn't eat babies and drink blood, she'll be fine by me.

OTOH, if I were to marry a Catholic prince myself (ha! fat chance! ) I would probably not consider converting to Catholicism. It's no question of love or no love, duty or no duty. It's simply that I cannot believe in something I have no faith in. And to me, it's the worst sort of hypocrisy to pretend to confess a belief that I do not have. I don't mind other people making such a choice, but I doubt I could do it myself. It would make me very miserable to have to renounce my beliefs! So I guess I won't be joining gaggle & co. in that long line for Guillaume's hand in marriage. Unless the Lux family + people are willing to let me continue with my spiritually self-indulgent eroticism.

[avrilo]

Of course Jo there are other reasons for annulment other than sexual.

I posted what I know after 25 years of bein a catholic of catholic family in a catholic country. Stuff like this can variate accordin to the bishop or diocesis. If you say your family did it, it is ok. I have no reason to doubt you.

My idea here was to show, that as catholics the princes can marry a non-catholic; however, I dunno what is required by their country. I think forcin someone to convert to enter a family is too much

[Nitefeatherz]

Originally Posted by avrilo

Of course Jo there are other reasons for annulment other than sexual.

I posted what I know after 25 years of bein a catholic of catholic family in a catholic country. Stuff like this can variate accordin to the bishop or diocesis. If you say your family did it, it is ok. I have no reason to doubt you.

My idea here was to show, that as catholics the princes can marry a non-catholic; however, I dunno what is required by their country. I think forcin someone to convert to enter a family is too much

I don't think they'd be forcing her to convert-if it was a matter of forcing her to convert, I know I would refuse if it were a matter of force...

on the other hand, I have not been a practicing lutheran for many years now because I disagreed with the teachings as I learned them, so if I was brought into contact with teachings such as the Catholic Church, that I agreed with, I probably would convert. If it meant marrying a man I loved as well-then that's a bonus.

I have women in my family who converted in order to be the same religion as their husband- I don't disagree with it as it is a very personal decision that is not going to be the same for any two people.

[Next Star]

My opinion is that the princes will pick a suitable and compionable brides for their wives we truly don't know if they will marry fellow Catholics or Non-Catholics and if they do marry a Non-Catholic it is up to her if wants to convert. Only time will time who the Princes Of Luxembourg will marry.

[cosette minette]

I know that before people were asking what transubstantiation is, and It is when wine and bread are turned into the sacred body and blood of Jesus Christ.

[Ducii]

I think they can marry anyone:) or not?? Is Tessy catholic??

[MAfan]

Originally Posted by Ducii

I think they can marry anyone:) or not?? Is Tessy catholic??

I think so...She and Louis married in a catholic cerimony, so I think she also is Catholic

[Ducii]

In our coutry it is possible to have a catholic ceremony if only one is Catholic, so I'm not sure, but she can be also catholic.

[cosette minette]

I think that if they marry a non Catholic they are no longer in the line of succession to the Grand Ducal throne of Luxembourg.

[Nitefeatherz]

Originally Posted by cosette minette

I think that if they marry a non Catholic they are no longer in the line of succession to the Grand Ducal throne of Luxembourg.

But it seems to me that marrying a non-catholic would be okay as long as the children were catholic (as my lutheran uncle's marriage was- he married a catholic woman, the catholic church decreed the children had to be catholic, and everyone was ok with it.)

There's always the chance that the fiancé would convert- I think I might if the love were strong enough and I was sure enough about the relationship. Granted, though, I haven't been to church for anything but weddings and funerals for over ten years...

[Tilda1234]

I think, they just will follow the tradition and marry an catholic girl. Also in Liechtenstein and in Belgium, where the royal house and the majority of the population is tradtionally catholic, all the princes/princess married a catholic person. (E.g. Mathilde, Claire, Lorenz d'Austria, Sophie of Bavaria were catholic). If the partner is from a different faith, the house will ask him/her to convert. But i don't think anybody is loosing his/her right of succession, because some of the dukes were protestants, e.g. William IV, Adolphe (For the law of sucession see also here: Line of succession to the throne of Luxembourg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia).
IMO they can marry everybody they like. It is very old fashioned for me to force brides to change faith or cease to be in the succession, when marrying the "wrong" faith. Most countries do not have state churches, so there is no legal or politcal reason to stick to this usage. In modern, multicultural societies it is not very reasonable to believe that the duke has to be catholic as x% of the society are catholic.


Just an add to the topic Princess Mary changed faith/transubstantiation on page 5. :
"Luther explicitly rejected transubstantiation, believing that the bread and wine remained fully bread and fully wine while also being fully the body and blood of Jesus Christ. Luther instead emphasized the sacramental union (not exactly the consubstantiation, as it is often claimed). Lutherans believe that within the Eucharistic celebration the body and blood of Jesus Christ are objectively present "in, with, and under the forms" of bread and wine (cf. Book of Concord). They place great stress on Jesus' instructions to "take and eat", and "take and drink", holding that this is the proper, divinely ordained use of the sacrament, and, while giving it due reverence, scrupulously avoid any actions that might indicate or lead to superstition or unworthy fear of the sacrament." (from: Transubstantiation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

Beside this part of lutheranism, i don't see a hugh difference to calvinism (and Mary was a member of the church of scotland and so being calvinst). In Germany about 1/3 of the population are protestants ("Evangelisch" in German). And 1/3 of the protestants are calvinists. Lutherans and calvinists mostly use the same churches, priests...I think here most people could not even tell if they are luterans or calvinists, they just would say "evangelisch".

[Olyashka]

I agree with you, Lielac. I's just Guillaume who has to have a lot of considerations before marrying.
It's burdensome to convert due to religious questions. Whoever that girl Guillaume's going to marry,she's a lucky one (except if she is a member of another faith).

[sunshine_93]

I think that if they marry with non Catholic girl she must do the same like Marry.She must accept the Catholic religion.

[Shaiya]

They can marry whoever they want. I think the whole religiously exclusive thing is outdated and discriminatory. Obviously, I think Guillaume would have the most problems if he wanted to marry a non-catholic, but for the other princes, I'm not sure there would be as big of a fuss.

[Principessa Cano]

From what I understand, unlike in England, there is no law requiring the spouse of a member of the LRF to be Catholic. There is a separation of church and state, even though the population is predominately Catholic, and the Grand Duke is not the head of the church as the Queen is in England. I can see no legal reason why any member of the LRF would have to marry a Catholic or have their spouse convert.

As for religious reasons, the family, and the people, can't be that strictly Catholic if they had no problem with Louis having pre-marital sex and a child out of wedlock. Yes, he was taken out of the line of succession but Tessy and their sons all received titles eventually. It would seem extremely hypocritical to expect someone to abide by your family's religious afiliation when your family seems to be able to bend the rules when it suits them (ie. sex outside of marriage).

[Lady Claire]

I think the only one who could incounter some issues with a marriage to a non-Catholic would be Guillaume due to his position. I do not think the others would be as likely to incounter problems if they chose to wed a non- Catholic.

[Shikha Pal]

I think the girl has to convert to Catholic to marry one of the Princes or Princess.

[Dani90]

If I'm not mistaken Maxima of Netherlands is still Catholic but their children is raised Protestants. Maybe Luxembourg will allow the same

However in Guillaume's case I get the impression that he has a stronger belief than his siblings so then it might be more important for him that his wife share his belives.

[Lalla Meriem]

Originally Posted by Dani90

If I'm not mistaken Maxima of Netherlands is still Catholic but their children is raised Protestants. Maybe Luxembourg will allow the same

However in Guillaume's case I get the impression that he has a stronger belief than his siblings so then it might be more important for him that his wife share his belives.

You are correct, Maxima is still Catholic and her children are raised in their father's faith.

I wouldn't necessarily say Guillaume is more Catholic than his siblings (they all seem pretty genuine), but he is certainly very Catholic. You don't cry during the Te Deum if you aren't devoted and you certainly don't study theology or join Catholic fraternities (not the US Greek type of frat) if you are not serious about your Catholicism. While I doubt it would ever be an issue for any of the de Lux kids to marry a non Catholic I sincerely doubt Guillaume would chose a women who didn't share his faith.

[Dani90]

Originally Posted by Lalla Meriem

You are correct, Maxima is still Catholic and her children are raised in their father's faith.

I wouldn't necessarily say Guillaume is more Catholic than his siblings (they all seem pretty genuine), but he is certainly very Catholic. You don't cry during the Te Deum if you aren't devoted and you certainly don't study theology or join Catholic fraternities (not the US Greek type of frat) if you are not serious about your Catholicism. While I doubt it would ever be an issue for any of the de Lux kids to marry a non Catholic I sincerely doubt Guillaume would chose a women who didn't share his faith.

Guillaume has said he wants a modern independent woman so I could think Guillaume would chose a woman who had another faith but that she has to understand the importance of their children being brought up as Catholic or convert to Catholicism herself since it is the main religion in Luxembourg