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Has anything more been heard about a move to Luxembourg? I believe their daughter is old enough to have started school.
Given that Felix himself studied in Switzerland I don't think they have to move back to Luxembourg just because Amalia starts school. However, if they want to make sure that Amalia starts her preparation as the potential future grand duchess it might help to move back sooner rather than later.
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Curious that if Guillaume has no children, Prince Felix may also become Grand Duke in the future and Princess Amalia will be Grand Duchess. I think if Guillaume does not have children they will start preparing Amalia to be Grand Duchess and probably Felix and Claire will be able to take on more duties to help Guillaume and Stephanie.
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Given that Felix himself studied in Switzerland I don't think they have to move back to Luxembourg just because Amalia starts school. However, if they want to make sure that Amalia starts her preparation as the potential future grand duchess it might help to move back sooner rather than later.
Although he did study in Switzerland I am not sure it is comparable to his daughter's situation, since Prince Félix and his siblings were raised in Luxembourg where they began their education, whereas Amalia (unless the rumors are true) has never resided in Luxembourg. Even if he and his wife do not have to move, raising Amalia in Luxembourg would afford the monarchy the most security given that she is currently the first in line to the throne of her generation. While she will be demoted by any children the hereditary grand duke may have, there is never a guarantee that anyone will have children, and raising Amalia as a potential monarch until the Hereditary Grand Duke has his second child would be a reasonable safeguard. On most of the recent occasions in European royal families when the sibling who was next in line after the crown prince had a child earlier, the sibling chose to raise their children within the country.

Prince Amedeo of Belgium (born 15 years earlier than Princess Elisabeth) was raised in Belgium, starting two years after the change of the succession rules.
Felipe de Marichalar of Spain (born 7 years earlier than Princess Leonor) was raised in Spain.
Prince Nikolai of Denmark (born 6 years earlier than Prince Christian) was raised in Denmark.
Andrea Casiraghi of Monaco (born 30 years earlier than Hereditary Prince Jacques) was primarily raised in France.

What are the views of Luxembourgers in regard to a possible grand duchess being raised outside of Luxembourg?
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I think the Grand-Ducal Family should already be thinking about this scenario. Amalia is 4 years old, only when she turns 6 will we know if she will start her studies in Luxembourg or not.
It is important that if Guillaume and Stephanie have no children that Amalia begins to appear more and be prepared as the future Grand Duchess.
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Here are more photos of Felix and Claire's visit to the Red Cross bazaar today:


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Although he did study in Switzerland I am not sure it is comparable to his daughter's situation, since Prince Félix and his siblings were raised in Luxembourg where they began their education, whereas Amalia (unless the rumors are true) has never resided in Luxembourg. Even if he and his wife do not have to move, raising Amalia in Luxembourg would afford the monarchy the most security given that she is currently the first in line to the throne of her generation. While she will be demoted by any children the hereditary grand duke may have, there is never a guarantee that anyone will have children, and raising Amalia as a potential monarch until the Hereditary Grand Duke has his second child would be a reasonable safeguard. On most of the recent occasions in European royal families when the sibling who was next in line after the crown prince had a child earlier, the sibling chose to raise their children within the country.

Prince Amedeo of Belgium (born 15 years earlier than Princess Elisabeth) was raised in Belgium, starting two years after the change of the succession rules.
Felipe de Marichalar of Spain (born 7 years earlier than Princess Leonor) was raised in Spain.
Prince Nikolai of Denmark (born 6 years earlier than Prince Christian) was raised in Denmark.
Andrea Casiraghi of Monaco (born 30 years earlier than Hereditary Prince Jacques) was primarily raised in France.

What are the views of Luxembourgers in regard to a possible grand duchess being raised outside of Luxembourg?
I agree that in Amalia's case it would make sense to move to Luxembourg at some point. However, she doesn't have to by law (unlike for example in Sweden). It could be a concious decision by the grand ducal family to not yet treat her as the future grand duchess; either to give her more freedom in her younger years and/or as long as Guillaume and Stephanie still hope to have children some day.

Prince Constantijn and princess Laurentien lived in Belgium for many years, thereby raising their children outside of the Netherlands (although they made sure they were born in the Netherlands - a precaution that Felix and Claire also took for Amalia) and it has never been a huge issue. Of course Amalia was born 1 1/2 years after her cousin Eloise; and if it had become clear that the currennt king and queen might not hsve had children things moght have been differently.

Regarding Monaco, wasn't it until 2002, so when Andrea was already a teenager that the Monagasque law was changed into allowing Caroline and therefore Andrea to succeed the throne if necessary? Although it probably was in the back of their minds far earlier...
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I think the Grand-Ducal Family should already be thinking about this scenario. Amalia is 4 years old, only when she turns 6 will we know if she will start her studies in Luxembourg or not.
It is important that if Guillaume and Stephanie have no children that Amalia begins to appear more and be prepared as the future Grand Duchess.
Schooling in Luxembourg is obligatory from age 4 (not age 6) and there is no separation between preschool and primary school it is al, part of an 8 year (4 cycle) 'fundamental education'. See here for more information.

Apparently in Switzerland it depends on the canton. In the French speaking cantons (including Geneva I suppose) they also incorporate kindergarden in primary school resulting in 2 cycles of 4 years each. Although Amalia might be in an international school using a different syste,. Yet, from that perspective either moving in 2 (start of 2nd cycle in Luxembourg - also coinciding with Liam turning 4) or 4 years (end of first cycle in Geneva and start of 3rd in Luxembourg for Amalia and start of 2nd cycle for Lism) might be likely options.
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I don’t know if anyone else noticed it but Princess Claire looked pregnant today, or maybe is just the coat that makes it look like she is?
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Cute Prince Liam who celebrates his 2nd Birthday today!

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Such a sweet photo, thanks eya. I can't believe little Liam is two already.
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Felix was running a vineyard and chateau for his father in law but appears to have moved on now.
According to Felix' biography (version from 2018) on monarchie.lu he is still managing the vineyard (but nowadays apparently from Geneva.

Edit: or so I thought: According to Claire's biography the family lives in Germany?! There is no mention of a job for her... She seems to be doing some research/teaching activities related to her doctorate at times.
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Per those who follow the Luxembourg family, it seems the country's mainstream media has not taken it up.



There may eventually be questions about Prince Félix's place of residence if he remains his brother's heir and he refuses to raise his children in Luxembourg. Would the people of Luxembourg be satisfied to have a Grand Duchess (Amalia) who is a stranger to the country?

Another issue which will eventually require a solution if Félix remains next in line is that according to the present house laws, Amalia's children will be obligated to bear their father's name (even if they are given royal titles) until Amalia is the first in line to the throne.
Amalia and Liam are currently just members of the grand ducal family and not of the grand ducal house. However, as born members of the grand ducal family, the head of the house may decide to confer membershio of the house to them, according to the following provision:
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The head of the house is*authorised, after consultation with the members of the advisory council (§ 10 (1) 4), to confer born members of the Grand Ducal Family the membership of the Grand Ducal House. In addition, the head of the house is solely*authorised*to give binding statements according to this house statute about the membership of the Grand Ducal Family in general and the Grand Ducal House in particular.
They will automatically become members of the House at the moment Felix would become the heir (if that is to happen) - at least that is my conclusion based on art 2 where no explicit mention is made that it has to be the heir apparent (as Felix can only be the heir presumptive if his brother would reign without issue). This limitation, however, was included regarding the title(s). So, based on my understanding of the current rules, Felix won't be hereditary grand duke nor will Amalia be princess of Luxembourg (until her father ascends the throne if applicable)...
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Amalia and Liam are currently just members of the grand ducal family and not of the grand ducal house. However, as born members of the grand ducal family, the head of the house may decide to confer membershio of the house to them, according to the following provision:
The head of the house is*authorised, after consultation with the members of the advisory council (§ 10 (1) 4), to confer born members of the Grand Ducal Family the membership of the Grand Ducal House. In addition, the head of the house is solely*authorised*to give binding statements according to this house statute about the membership of the Grand Ducal Family in general and the Grand Ducal House in particular.
They will automatically become members of the House at the moment Felix would become the heir (if that is to happen) - at least that is my conclusion based on art 2 where no explicit mention is made that it has to be the heir apparent (as Felix can only be the heir presumptive if his brother would reign without issue).
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This limitation, however, was included regarding the title(s). So, based on my understanding of the current rules, Felix won't be hereditary grand duke nor will Amalia be princess of Luxembourg (until her father ascends the throne if applicable)...
The same phrase "nach Primogeniturrecht zur Thronfolge berufene Hausmitglied" (the member of the House called to inherit the throne by the order of primogeniture) defines the heir to the throne in Article 2 (membership) and Article 4 (titles), so in my view Article 4 also applies to heirs presumptive.

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Das Großherzogliche Haus (la Maison Grand-Ducale) besteht aus dem Staatsoberhaupt als Hauschef, den ehemaligen Staatsoberhäuptern und den aus einer hausrechtsmäßig gültigen Ehe geborenen Nachkommen ersten Grades eines Hauschefs sowie diejenigen des nach Primogeniturrecht zur Thronfolge berufenen Hausmitglieds.
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Das nach Primogeniturrecht zur Thronfolge berufene Hausmitglied (Thronfolger oder Thronfolgerin) trägt das Prädikat Königliche Hoheit (Altesse Royale) und die Titel Erbgroßherzog oder Erbgroßherzogin von Luxemburg, Erbprinz oder Erbprinzessin zu Nassau (Grand-Duc Héritier ou Grande-Duchesse Héritière de Luxembourg, Prince Héritier ou Princesse Héritière de Nassau), etc., etc.

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1) die eheliche Nachkommen ersten Grades des Hauschefs sowie des nach Primogeniturrecht zur Thronfolge berufenen Hausmitglieds sind, ferner deren hausrechtsgemäß angeheirateten Gemahlinnen, das Prädikat Königliche Hoheit (Altesse Royale), ihren Vornamen und den Familiennamen "zu Nassau" ("de Nassau") sowie die Titel Prinz oder Prinzessin von Luxemburg (Prince ou Princesse de Luxembourg), etc., etc.
Décret grand-ducal du 18 juin 2012 portant coordination du Statut de famille du 5 mai 1907. - Legilux

Thus, if Guillaume does not have children, once he is Grand Duke, Félix and Claire would automatically become Hereditary Grand Duke and Hereditary Grand Duchess of Luxembourg, and Amalia and Liam would be elevated to members of the Grand-Ducal House and Princess and Prince of Luxembourg.

The problem is that under Article 4, Amalia's children would bear their father's family name until Amalia herself becomes the Hereditary Grand Duchess.
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Prince Felix has proceeded to the solemn delivery of the Diplomas of Masters and Diplomas of the Promotion of Work 2018 today 10 February

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Here are some more photos of the presentation on Sunday:


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