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Old 06-24-2009, 11:07 AM
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Tessy is her full name. It is a common name in Luxembourg. Her brother's name is Ronny, not Ronald, or something more formal. Tessy and Louis even gave the name Ronny to one of the boys. Her sister is Patty, but I don't know if her given name is Patricia, Patrice, or just Patty.
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HRH Princess Tessy,created in her own right as she was elevated to that rank by the Grand Duke,not as just the social custom has it that women take the curtesy title of their husband.
She is not a princess in her own right.

Henri M. On another royalty board said the following:
"Tessy is not created anything. The Grand Duke now simply has finally followed the traditional custom that the legally wedded spouse of a titled person can be addressed with her husband's style and titles."
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Old 06-24-2009, 12:13 PM
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Well, while we all agree that Henri M does have extensive knowledge, I do not think that we should take his word and the be all and end all. Especially since published reports in reliable publications state that she was "created" a princess. Perhaps someone with a better grasp of the Luxembourg language could have a look on their website and see if anything is clear?
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Old 06-24-2009, 12:19 PM
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These are great news!! You go Tessy
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Old 06-24-2009, 12:37 PM
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Well, while we all agree that Henri M does have extensive knowledge, I do not think that we should take his word and the be all and end all. Especially since published reports in reliable publications state that she was "created" a princess. Perhaps someone with a better grasp of the Luxembourg language could have a look on their website and see if anything is clear?
You are right. Maybe a translation of the statement below would provide a clearer understanding of the situation (I am not sure if this is the official statement from the palace).

Fir Nationalfeierdag krut d'Fra vum PrŽnz Louis, Tessy de Nassau, iwwregens ee ganz spezielle Cadeau gemaach.

De Grand-Duc Henri huet nšmlech decidťiert, datt seng Schnauer sech vun elo un dšerf Altesse Royale Princesse de Luxembourg nennen an seng zwee kleng Enkelkanner Gabriel a Noah vun haut un den Titel Altesse Royal, Prince de Nassau droen. Dťi jonk Prinzessin, dťi eng Biergerlech ass a gebierteg vu Nidderkuer kŽnnt, an de PrŽnz Louis, den drŽtteelste Fils vun der groussherzoglecher Koppel hate sech de 29. September 2006 bestued. Den 21. Mšerz 2006 koum de PrŽnz Gabriel op d'Welt an den 21. September 2007 sši klenge Brudder de PrŽnz Noah.

D'Prinzessin Alexandra ass iwwerdeems zum Chevalier dans l'Ordre du Lion d'Or de la Maison de Nassau ernannt ginn.
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congratulations for Tessy!
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Old 06-24-2009, 12:44 PM
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Hello! Magazine has a brief article about the new princess:

Workman's daughter Tessy made princess of Luxembourg |Latest celebrity news hellomagazine.com

It does say that she is styled a princess of Luxembourg, but to me, that doesn't clear up whether she is using her husband's title, or has been given it. I read somewhere else (can't remember where, unfortunately), that she was given the title in her own right. I tried to translate this, but google translate doesn't feature Luxembourgish.
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Perhaps Lucien can correct me if I am wrong, but I believe that women do have succession rights in Luxembourg. Otherwise, they would never have had a Grand Duchess in their own right. Charlotte comes to mind, who was the reigning grand duchess of her time.
I believe Grand Duchesses Charlotte and her sister Marie Adelaide could become reigning Grand Duchesses because there were no male heirs at all. The only possibility was the product of a morganatic marriage, and the father of the girls didn't want him as his heir. Technically speaking, a woman has no rights in the Luxembourg succession line, if there are men who are eligible. Grand Duke Guillaume had a special law created, to make his eldest daughter his heir. Had there been no male heir for Grand Duchess Charlotte, her younger sisters would have been called upon to succeed, or their sons. But I believe there is a law pending which would give men and women the same rights.

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You are right. Maybe a translation of the statement below would provide a clearer understanding of the situation (I am not sure if this is the official statement from the palace).

Fir Nationalfeierdag krut d'Fra vum PrŽnz Louis, Tessy de Nassau, iwwregens ee ganz spezielle Cadeau gemaach.

De Grand-Duc Henri huet nšmlech decidťiert, datt seng Schnauer sech vun elo un dšerf Altesse Royale Princesse de Luxembourg nennen an seng zwee kleng Enkelkanner Gabriel a Noah vun haut un den Titel Altesse Royal, Prince de Nassau droen. Dťi jonk Prinzessin, dťi eng Biergerlech ass a gebierteg vu Nidderkuer kŽnnt, an de PrŽnz Louis, den drŽtteelste Fils vun der groussherzoglecher Koppel hate sech de 29. September 2006 bestued. Den 21. Mšerz 2006 koum de PrŽnz Gabriel op d'Welt an den 21. September 2007 sši klenge Brudder de PrŽnz Noah.

D'Prinzessin Alexandra ass iwwerdeems zum Chevalier dans l'Ordre du Lion d'Or de la Maison de Nassau ernannt ginn.
I would say this literally says:

For the National Day the wife of Prince Louis, Tessy de Nassau, has been given a very special present.

The Grand Duke, namely, has declared that his daughter in law may call herself Altesse Royale Princesse de Luxembourg and her two children Gabriel and Noah may bear the title Altesse Royal, Prince de Nassau.


Then there's a sentence I do not really understand, and after that it says Louis is the third son of the Grand Ducal couple, and it repeats the date of marriage, and the birth dates of the children of Prince Louis and Princess Tessy.

And I'm still not sure if this means she's a princess in her own right, or simply allowed to use her husband's style and title.
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So are the Children now Prince of Luxembourg too?
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No, they are Princes of Nassau.
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I did think that Louis's and Johan-Friso's marriages were comparable, but I stand corrected.

In that case, however, I don't understand why Tessy didn't assume her husband's styles and titles after the marriage; if Louis was still member of the Luxembourgian Royal House (nor Royal Family), then his wife should have assumed all of his titles and styles, which didn't happen.
Because, a women may only assume the royal titles of her husband in Luxembourg if they are married with the consent of the Grand Duke. Louis did not receive (nor seek) consent to marry Tessy thus she could never have been a Princess of Luxembourg simply by her marriage to him. According the the decrees the govern marriages without consent Louis should have become Count of Nassau with equal dignity in his spouse and children born into the marriage but not ones born before. Grand Duke Henri, like his father before him, decided that Louis should remain a Prince of Luxembourg but that no titles were to be available to his children or wife. I think everyone knew that if the marriage lasted that Tessy and the children would be upgraded. It seemed the right thing for him to remain a Prince which only made the "upgrade" seem more natural.

No the children are not Prince of Luxembourg only the children of the Grand Duke and the Hereditary Grand Duke hold the title Prince/ss of Luxembourg other members of the family are Prince/ss of Nassau.

No, she is not a princess in her own right it stated that she may now call herself not that she had been granted the title in her own right. He made a statement that she would now be known as Princess Tessy of Luxembourg with HRH he did NOT issue a Grand Ducal decree creating her a Princess of Luxembourg which is what would have happened had he made her a Princess in her own right.
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Here's another article about the new titles:

The Station Network

It says that Tessy had the title "bestowed upon her". The language is kind of vague as to whether it is a title in her own right or not.

Does anyone know if she will take on patronages and other charity work as part of her new title? Or is this reserved for the heirs only?
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Well, maybe he bestowed upon her his permission to now call herself Princess Tessy of Luxembourg but he did not issue a Grand Ducal Decree creating her a Princess of anything in her own right.

The simple fact that the decree that makes it so that a wife of a Prince of "our house" who marries with consent should carry equal dignity as her husband but that in the event of divorce OR legal separation that all titles gained via marriage are automatically lost should indicate that no Grand Duke is likely to ever create the wife of a Prince who married without consent a Princess in her own right when this courtesy is not even extended to those who do receive consent.
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Well, hold on. If she were only allowed to use her husbands title, would she not have been called Princess Louis of Luxembourg? If she is allowed to use her own name, then it would stand to reason that she is a Princess in her own right, correct?
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No, that is a British custom not a Luxembourg one. It has never been the custom in Luxembourg to use your husband's name as part of the title. Princess Sybilla wasn't created a Princess in her own right (nor have any other spouses) and she isn't Princess Guillaume.

Simply put unless he issued a Grand Ducal Decree signed by at least one minister which specifically stated that she now holds the title of Princess of Luxembourg in her own right then she is a Princess via courtesy not her own right.
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Basically, she is Mrs. Louis.... the rest is commentary.
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Remember that "fuss" about possible big announcement on 4-5 of April? I was thinking that maybe they decided to give her title around that time (that's why there were rumors)? I mean it's not one-day decision

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Here's another article about the new titles:

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Does anyone know if she will take on patronages and other charity work as part of her new title? Or is this reserved for the heirs only?
Which means that they will move to Luxembourg from Switzerland?

The article also say that Tessy and Louis have only one child
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The official photo that has been released of the Grand Duke and Duchess sitting in chairs with Louis and Tessy behind them looks (to me) as if they had a meeting and formally declared the new titles. Would they have done this without issuing some sort of decree? (I'm not being argumentative, I'm simply asking out of cluelessness)

It is still possible for them to do charity work,even though they live in Switzerland. They come home to Luxembourg for events such as this, and Louis would have breaks from school. Tessy has accompanied Maria-Teresa to a Red Cross event in the past, and I think that it would be great to see them getting more involved in some of the more charitable aspects of royal life (IMO).
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Congratulations to Princess Tessy and Princes Gabriel and Noah on becoming new Princess and Princes. I have one question, Is Prince Louis included in the Line to the throne of Luxembourg again?
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sgl: I don't think you are correct.

The Grand Duke and Grand Duchess, Prince Louis and Princess Tessy, Prince Gabriel and Prince Noah are all wearing the exact same outfit as with the Closing of the Octave of Our Lady of Luxembourg; May 17th, 2009. The only thing missing are the hairpieces of the Grand Duchess and Princess Tessy. My guess is that that's when the picture was taken. I don't think the titles could have been declared then and just gotten to the press on June 23. Ofcourse they already knew it then, but I don't expect it was declared then.

Shikha Pal: Prince Louis is not in line to the throne, neither are his sons.

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