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Old 11-28-2010, 07:25 PM
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Many people around the world don't grow up in nuclear or traditional families. I didn't. Many royals don't grew up in intact or traditonal families either. When you experienced your parents breakup, usually you try not to make the same mistakes they did or try not to fall into the same patterns that caused them to breakup. You enter marriage perhaps more cautiously than someone whose family is intact. This is what Prince William seems to have been doing.

Of course anyone who is an heir to the throne probably would approach marriage in a more cautious tone that someone who is 20th in line. Who they marry is very important to their country and the last thing you would want is for the marriage to fail or not work out.
Totaly agree !Someone who was loved by the parents ,but suffered because of their divorce would be more likely to built and keep family happiness(sometimes)
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Old 11-28-2010, 07:36 PM
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I also think we should concentrate more on personality of future wife not pick any girl we like just b/c "they will look cute together"
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Slightly OTT on the critical part. You know nothing of Lady Kitty Spencer, "trust fund barbie type" where did you get this analogy from?

And how do you know he is into the serious, educated and catholic type?

So a girl has to complete a degree, before she is counted as educated? She is studying Law at University from what I can tell and I know for a fact you have to be educated to study Law in this country. In Cape Town, she studied English, Psychology and Politics.

Prince William and Harry come from a broken family, I would rather have divorced happy parents than argueing unhappy ones living under the same roof. A non-nuclear family isn't going to have that much impact on a 19 year old.

Wow, that is a massive and ridiculous step.
Linking Kitty Spencer to her Aunts failed marriage to one of the most high profiled Princes in the world?
Hardly anyone knows who Guillaume is.
Lady Sarah and Lady Jane have been happily married for years.

Kitty Spencer has done one magazine article for Tatler, a highly respectable magazine in the UK. Every other article I have seen about her, has people talking about her not her personally. She cannot help who she is, and who she is related to. But please don't go as far as saying Kitty is a dumb, uneducated blonde who would be after Guilliames title or money or whatever. I can bet my bottom dollar on the fact that she has never even heard of him.
Have you ever met her? Have you ever met him?
First off, I was making a joke by comparing a potential relationship between Kitty and Guillaume to Diana and Charles. I thought that was pretty evident. The similarites between the two would be too glaring for anyone to miss. I couldn't resist making a joke of it. It wasn't a massive or ridiculous step. It wasn't a step in any direction.

I know nothing of her? You shouldn't assume things about what people do or don't know. I don't want to know about her. I'm interested in the GDF and that is where my knowledge rests.

Are you saying that Kitty isn't a blue-eyed bleached blond with a trust fund? I'd be disappointed in her father if he didn't set aside a portion of his fortune for each of his children. The Bal des Débutantes isn't for girls who don't fit the trust fund mold. The girls are carefully selected with the right backgrounds and the right bank accounts. A girl on a scholarship to a prep school probably won't make the cut. She has a trust fund and looks like Malibu Barbie. It is a pretty good analogy. Don't be offended....I had Doctor Barbie when I was a kid.

Unfortunately, I have met him. I find his friends and associates a lot more friendly than he is. It isn't a secret that Guillaume is a devout Catholic. Do you really think a man who attended Philanthropos and spends large portions of his free time attending religious events would want to spend his life with someone who doesn't share his values? She's a teenage student who enjoys attention. He's a 29-year-old professional who avoids unneccessary publicity. My point is this...what other than her family tree and her appearance would make anyone think that a teenage student is a good match for him? Let's be serious! When I think of potential matches I think of qualifications not famous faces or names. He could marry a famous girl 10 years younger. I suppose. I just prefer to list qualities that are good instead of making a short list of famous girls.

The Tatler may be a respected publication but it still shows her desire to be well known. Guillaume knows many beautiful famous women with titles. Since Pia he has actively avoided dating women that bring such notoriety with them. I don't think it is stretch to say that she enjoys the attention. She smiles for the cameras at numerous high profile events. A quick search on google images shows hundreds of pictures of her. They don't appear to be from just one shoot. However, I don't follow the Spencer family. I'm not interested in nobility of the UK or the BRF.

Yes, I'm sorry to say that I do feel that a completed education is a requirement for someone to be considered "well-educated." I do not consider the equivalent of a high school education (no matter how expensive the school) and an incomplete college degree well educated. I consider that a work in progress. I give credit where credit is due. She should be commended for her academic progress. However, I'll stop short of labeling her well-educated. I would consider someone with a bachelor degree educated. I wouldn't add the "well" until someone had completed a post-graduate degree.
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Old 11-29-2010, 05:02 AM
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Just out of curiosity, what is Philanthropos?

I agree with you assesment btw, it is unlikely that the hereditairy grand duke will be involved with somebody whose values seem to be so very different than his own ones.
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Just out of curiosity, what is Philanthropos?

I agree with you assesment btw, it is unlikely that the hereditairy grand duke will be involved with somebody whose values seem to be so very different than his own ones.
It is a very Catholic school...not for the mildly religious. Guillaume completed the program there in 2006-2007. The is very popular with the Habsburgs. Two Archdukes are on the board and a boat load of young Archdukes have completed the program.
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Old 11-29-2010, 06:41 AM
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I know nothing of her? You shouldn't assume things about what people do or don't know. I don't want to know about her. I'm interested in the GDF and that is where my knowledge rests.
If you don't want to know her, why make assumptions about her character?

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Are you saying that Kitty isn't a blue-eyed bleached blond with a trust fund? I'd be disappointed in her father if he didn't set aside a portion of his fortune for each of his children. The Bal des Débutantes isn't for girls who don't fit the trust fund mold. The girls are carefully selected with the right backgrounds and the right bank accounts. A girl on a scholarship to a prep school probably won't make the cut. She has a trust fund and looks like Malibu Barbie. It is a pretty good analogy. Don't be offended....I had Doctor Barbie when I was a kid.
She has blue eyes, she might have a trust fund and her hair might be a natural blonde and she might look like a Malibu Barbie, but that doesn't mean you should call her one. You are implying that she is dumb, someone who studies Psychology, English Lit and Politics isn't exactly dumb.


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Do you really think a man who attended Philanthropos and spends large portions of his free time attending religious events would want to spend his life with someone who doesn't share his values? She's a teenage student who enjoys attention. He's a 29-year-old professional who avoids unneccessary publicity. My point is this...what other than her family tree and her appearance would make anyone think that a teenage student is a good match for him? Let's be serious! When I think of potential matches I think of qualifications not famous faces or names. He could marry a famous girl 10 years younger. I suppose. I just prefer to list qualities that are good instead of making a short list of famous girls.
You said you don't want to know Kitty, so why are you making the assumption that she doesn't share his values or interests? Just because you don't see her attending church or catholic schools doesn't mean she doesn't believe in moral values.
She doesn't have the most fantastic family tree and she is very beautiful, but we don't know anything about her to make assumptions that she would or would not be a good match for Guillame. I am being serious, I don't see why you should rule someone out cause they appeared on the cover of Tatler and are blonde.


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The Tatler may be a respected publication but it still shows her desire to be well known. Guillaume knows many beautiful famous women with titles. Since Pia he has actively avoided dating women that bring such notoriety with them. I don't think it is stretch to say that she enjoys the attention. She smiles for the cameras at numerous high profile events. A quick search on google images shows hundreds of pictures of her. They don't appear to be from just one shoot. However, I don't follow the Spencer family. I'm not interested in nobility of the UK or the BRF.
It shows that she was asked to be on the cover, and she accepted. Has Guillame appeared on the covers of magazines? Has he appeared in newspapers?
Being as much of a recluse as I think Guillaume is, isn't good for someone who will one day run a country.
What is she supposed to do in front of a camera? Stick her tongue out or turn her back to them? Then that would get her even more press.

From just one shoot? I don't understand.
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I don't think Lalla Mereim ever intended to suggest that lady kitty doesn't have morals, only that her set of values and those of HGD Guillaume are different. And indeed, the Lux. RF are known to be very catholic, as are many of their relatives and the people that they socialise with. So it is more likely that HGD Guillaume will nd up with a girl that belongs to the same set of young catholic nobles and such. If you look at the society weddings in Point de Vue or l'Eventail it seems that the same group attends all these weddings (in and around Brussels), lots of Luxembourgs, Habsburgs, Liechtensteins, Merodes, Lignes, Stolbergs etc.

I don't think the HGD is recluse, only that the media interest in him is relatively small so many things do not make it to the international press.
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Old 11-29-2010, 09:10 AM
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If you don't want to know her, why make assumptions about her character?



She has blue eyes, she might have a trust fund and her hair might be a natural blonde and she might look like a Malibu Barbie, but that doesn't mean you should call her one. You are implying that she is dumb, someone who studies Psychology, English Lit and Politics isn't exactly dumb.




You said you don't want to know Kitty, so why are you making the assumption that she doesn't share his values or interests? Just because you don't see her attending church or catholic schools doesn't mean she doesn't believe in moral values.
She doesn't have the most fantastic family tree and she is very beautiful, but we don't know anything about her to make assumptions that she would or would not be a good match for Guillame. I am being serious, I don't see why you should rule someone out cause they appeared on the cover of Tatler and are blonde.




It shows that she was asked to be on the cover, and she accepted. Has Guillame appeared on the covers of magazines? Has he appeared in newspapers?
Being as much of a recluse as I think Guillaume is, isn't good for someone who will one day run a country.
What is she supposed to do in front of a camera? Stick her tongue out or turn her back to them? Then that would get her even more press.

From just one shoot? I don't understand.

I never said anything about her character. I never implied that she was dumb. You're putting words in my mouth that I never said. I said that I don't feel she is well educated just because she attended a private high school and has started her college career.

Sorry, but 2 inches of dark roots tell me that she isn't a natural blond. Before you jump down my throat again, I don't consider hair dye a negative. She looks like Malibu Barbie. I had Dr. Barbie and astronaut Barbie. Even Barbie's can be brilliant. I wasn't commenting on her intelligence. It was an observation that Guillaume's type has evolved beyond blonds with royal connections that seek publicity and attend high profile events. IMHO, she's a younger and more attractive version of early Pia. She even wants to go into political journalism. It is like deja-vu.

She probably does have morals. I never said she lacked morals. Seriously, are you reading my post or someone else's? I said she doesn't share his values. She is not a devout and active Catholic like he is. Having good morals is one thing and being very active in your faith is another.

Not to beat a dead horse here but if you actually read what I wrote you'll see that it is more than her hair color and being "very beautiful" (which I disagree with but that's a matter of personal opinion) that I find rule her out. She does not share Guillaume's deeply Catholic values...she is only 19-years-old...she hasn't completed her degree...she enjoys her notoriety...she is too young to have the life experience or work experience that I feel is necessary for someone taking on such a serious role. I do not think these are unreasonable things to ask for. She's barely gotten to live her own life. I'm not prepared to toss a girl this young under the bus and put her with a much older man who is at a vastly different stage of life. Maybe in 5 years but I fully expect Guillaume to be married before then.

I really don't care that she was in Tatler. There are a lot of other aristocratic maidens that avoid being in magazines or attending events that will garner press attention. Just from a 2 minute routine google search it appears that she did the shoot for Tatler, Hello, several South African celebrity publications, an interview for a Life and Style section of a daily, and a shoot for the Crillon Ball. That's just from the few minutes that I devoted to looking around. This excludes the high profile events that she attends. I was reading the comments on several interviews that she (not her friends) apparently gave and they ask what crossed my mind. If you don't want to be a society girl and you aren't interested in press why do photo shoots, give interviews or turn up at photo events and pose in-front of the photo ready logo wall? Seems pretty counter productive if her goal is really to be just a regular girl. Let us all be realistic. There is a certain amount of fame or notoriety that she can't possibly avoid, but she's actively stroking the flame.

It isn't just one shoot. I can count and it is more than one. The purpose of the interviews and photo shoots is a carefully cultivated PR image. I'd be shocked if she (or her father) hadn't consulted with a professional.

Guillaume isn't a hermit. He smiles for the camera and gives interviews, when expected. He rarely, if ever, discusses his private life during these public moments. He also attends the sort of events Marengo mentioned. He never shows up at events just to be photographed and I can't recall ever seeing Guillaume posing in-front of a logo sign on the press walk into any society or high profile event.

Okay, I'm done with Kitty. I can't be bothered to google search her anymore.

If we're just tossing out famous girls then I vote for Princess Beatrice of Prussia. She's attractive, blond, has a great family tree, a trust fund, her own title, she's lived a relatively easy life, she's completed some education, she used to be a society fixture and she's friendly and down-to-earthish...These are good qualities right? Better yet, Princess Elisabeth of Thurn and Taxis. I like her and her sometimes crazy mother.

While we're waiting on our society darling to arrive on Guillaume's arm...

1. loves Guillaume for Guillaume not HRH.
2. shares his Catholic faith
3. is interested in a family
4. university degree in hand
5. multi-lingual, any language combination. Based on the culture of Lux and their recent high level business trips...French, German, Spanish, Chinese and Arabic get extra points.
6. has an ability to understand and accept that she will play second fiddle to Guillaume in public and to Luxembourg in private.
7. a moderate degree of attractiveness...beauty not required
8. a strong interest in social responsibly
9. likes/can tolerate football (soccer)
10. willingness to give up her career and possibly her country to move to Luxembourg and take on the job that comes with the man
11. a better than average understanding of global politics, economics and environmental issues.
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^ I agree with all the qualities you listed for a future spouse for Guillaume. I really sort of hope he will end up with someone who has no royal connection, but at the same time, some of those women may be more accustomed to the kind of life Guillaume's future wife would have to lead. I just hope whatever happens, that he is happy and so is she, whoever she turns out to be
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I also agree with the qualities listed for a future spouse. I would note that most 19 years old or women in their early 20's royal or commoner would not yet possess a lot of those qualities. While it wouldn't be too difficult for a 19 year old or a woman in her early 20's to forgo a career (most of them are either going to college or just starting a career), or to play second fiddle, a woman in her late 20's to early 30's whose been in a career for several years might find this very difficult depending on their personality of course.

It also would be unusual for a 19 year old or woman in her early 20's to have a better than average understanding of global politics, environmental or economic issues. Your average women in this age group has no interest in this, or are bored with it unless this affects them directly.
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The first is VERY important of course. I can Guillaume marrying in his middle thirties or close to forty like the other crown princes.
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Regarding his future relationships and inevitable engagement some day, that is certainly a point of speculation and interest. There are many prospective future grand duchesses out there. I have a feeling that Guillaume is a traditional sort of heir and will likely choose a wife from the ranks of royalty.
I think it might be likely - given that Luxembourg is rather small, the GD family maybe not so important to the people (I am just guessing - please do not kill me for that) and what happened to his father when he married his mother (I am refering to the rumours regarding GD Jodephine-Charlotte....) So - PLEASE - give us some nice blueblooded bride .
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Perhaps so. But GD Maria-Teresa probably won't be as harsh towards her children's choice of life partner if she had trouble with her mother-in-law. I don't think Guillaume would choose a blueblooded bride to avoid problems
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She stated in an interview that she would always support her children's choices concerning their partners because she remembers how it was for her.

She wants them to make good choices. She seems ready to accept that they have the right to spend their lives with the partners they pick.
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That's good to know that MT feels that way about her children's future life partners. They'd be very lucky to know that she's on their side rooting for them. It's hard enough to give up the life that you know growing up and have difficult in-law's. I feel for MT for what she went through.
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Just more proof of how wonderful of a mother MT is.
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I wish he could marry someone royal or aristocrat because IMO some of these commoners have ugly pasts and are marrying for the wrong reasons.. The image of monarchy is different now.
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I wish he could marry someone royal or aristocrat because IMO some of these commoners have ugly pasts and are marrying for the wrong reasons.. The image of monarchy is different now.
Yes,but we could not speak on behalf of all commoners,there were even aristocratic women who made nothing from their marriage and failed to be even good wives and mothers
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The word commoner in some cases is a misnomer. When you think about it, a person who is from an aristocratic or noble background is not a commoner.This seems to be the definition of who a commoner is (a person of the upper classes who usually has some royal blood way back when) when it comes to royalty.

They are not common people. They are a small group of people in the country where they live. They don't live like the average person in the country where they reside. Usually most of these people have royal blood running through their veins. They have a touch of royalty in their background. They usually have wealth or acquired wealth. Most of them are not self-made.

A good wife for HGD Guillaume would be a woman who is kind, respect others, is interested in the world, shares common interests with her husband and someone who is an asset to his family. This woman could be a royal or non-royal. Doesn't really matter one way or another.
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I agree. I do however think a blue-blood would have an easier time adjusting to the role than a commoner, however there are exceptions.
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