Will Daniel be Able to Be Regent?

[HMTLove23]

When they do Marry and Have an Heir...

If Victoria dies and The King Dies and the Heir is Not yet Able to succeed the throne. (i dont Know the How old he or she has to be to Succeed the throne in sweden) Would Daniel be Regent or would it have to be someone else. Because I read somewhere that he Cannot succeed Victoria because he is not of Royal blood. Please Help me understand This!

[grevinnan]

Originally Posted by HMTLove23

When they do Marry and Have an Heir...

If Victoria dies and The King Dies and the Heir is Not yet Able to succeed the throne. (i dont Know the How old he or she has to be to Succeed the throne in sweden) Would Daniel be Regent or would it have to be someone else. Because I read somewhere that he Cannot succeed Victoria because he is not of Royal blood. Please Help me understand This!

He will not be the regent and it is not because of not being of royal blood. The next in line is P. Carl Philip and then Madeleine. I am not aware of any monarchy where the crown passes to the deceased regents spouse.

[Stefan]

Originally Posted by grevinnan

He will not be the regent and it is not because of not being of royal blood. The next in line is P. Carl Philip and then Madeleine. I am not aware of any monarchy where the crown passes to the deceased regents spouse.

In the Netherlands Queen Emma became Regent when her husband died and her 10 years old daughter succeed as Queen. There ws a special law passed when Queen Beatrix succeeded to the Throne that if she should die before Willem-Alexander would reache the age of 18. Prince Claus could become Regent.

[MAfan]

The widows of Fernando VII and Alfonso XII of Spain became regents for Queen Isabel II and King Alfonso XIII.

[HRHofNothing]

I believe it depends on what the Government puts into place. If the King and Victoria both die before Daniel and Victoria's eldest is 18- than there is a possibility that Daniel will serve as regent for said minor Monarch. Daniel cannot succeed Victoria, Victoria will be succeeded by her children (if she has any) or Carl Philip.

[Maura724]

Unless Victoria announces otherwise, Carl Phillip would serve as regent. However, in Britain, Elizabeth decreed that, if she died before Charles was 18, Philip would serve as regent and not Margaret. I would assume Victoria would be able to do the same with Daniel if she chose to.

[Lakshmi]

It is quite common in European monarchies that if the ruling monarch dies, and a heir is still a minor, the spouse of such monarch becomes a regent. So, it is high probability that in similar scenario in Sweden, Daniel would became a regent.

[Kotroman]

But you have to understand the difference between regent and monarch. If Victoria becomes monarch and dies leaving a 13-year-old child, her child would be the monarch but an adult would serve as regent until the monarch reaches majority. If Victoria goes mad during her reign, another adult would serve as regent while Victoria would still be monarch. I hope this was clear enough. You should also see Wiki article about the term regent.

[Lakshmi]

Kotroman, is your post answer to my post or to Maura724's post?
I understand that regent does not equal monarch. It applies only in scenario when the monarch is a minor, and can't rule because of that. So, say Victoria dies, her child is 13 only, that child is still formally a monarch, a regent is only "ruling" in a minor monarch's name. What I understand prince Carl Philip would became monarch only if Victoria dies with no kids left.

[Kotroman]

No, my post is answer to HMTLove23

[MAfan]

But I remember that when Prince Gustav Adolf died in 1947, leaving the courrent King as 1-year-old heir to the throne, if king Gustav Adolf VI would have died, the Regent would have been prince Bertil, the second in the Line of Succession, and not Princes Sybilla, the mother of Carl Gustav, and this is the reason of the delaied marriage of Bertil and Lillian, to make Bertil able to be regent if the King would have deid during the minority of Carl Gustav. If Bertil would have married Lillian at that time, he would have lost his rights to the Throne. So I don't know if Daniel will be able to be regent, hoping this eventuality will not exist.

[Lakshmi]

Thanks, MAfan for this interesting fact. I didn't know that. So, they have in Sweden some different tradition or precedence where the regent is not a spouse of a monarch that passed away. It makes Carl Philip probable regent if Victoria dies leaving a minor heir.

[SoleS]

Originally Posted by MAfan

But I remember that when Prince Gustav Adolf died in 1947, leaving the courrent King as 1-year-old heir to the throne, if king Gustav Adolf VI would have died, the Regent would have been prince Bertil, the second in the Line of Succession, and not Princes Sybilla, the mother of Carl Gustav, and this is the reason of the delaied marriage of Bertil and Lillian, to make Bertil able to be regent if the King would have deid during the minority of Carl Gustav. If Bertil would have married Lillian at that time, he would have lost his rights to the Throne. So I don't know if Daniel will be able to be regent, hoping this eventuality will not exist.

That is, I think, not entirely correct. The main reason for Bertil to delay his marriage so much was because at that time, had he married Lilian, he would have lost his place at the line of succesion, an that at time he was the ONLY one still in lime after Carl Gustav. In the event of Carl Gustav dying young an without heirs the swedish trone would have become vaccant had Bertil not waited so long to marry.
Lets remember that in those days only males could inherit the swedish trone, an that a morganatic marriage was not tolerated.
After Carl Gustav succeded to the trone an married he consented his uncle Bertil's marriage to Lilian and left his right to succede him intact.

[grevinnan]

I stand corrected.

[Scanorama]

Originally Posted by grevinnan

He will not be the regent and it is not because of not being of royal blood. The next in line is P. Carl Philip and then Madeleine. I am not aware of any monarchy where the crown passes to the deceased regents spouse.

I am little bit confused. So if Victoria died and she has child(ren). Carl Philip (NOT Daniel) will become regent, but not King. While Victoria's eldest child is still the first in line to the throne?

[MAfan]

Originally Posted by Scanorama

I am little bit confused. So if Victoria died and she has child(ren). Carl Philip (NOT Daniel) will become regent, but not King. While Victoria's eldest child is still the first in line to the throne?

The child would be King/Queen, and Carl Philip Regent.