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Old 06-16-2005, 04:03 PM
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Well I think marriing a girl in her situation is never easy. But as I think for her there is no way out of this dilemma.
Hm, why is there no way out? I can see your point, but I´m also too much of a rationalist and at the same time a romantic to see a problem with giving up the throne.
I think the reason, why I discuss this statement so much is, that my personal view is, that love and family should be over all. Of course Victoria can make a difference as crown princess, but I would say the greatest differences in our lives are made through our partners, children and the own nuclear family (parents+siblings). Can there be a greater and more important thing for a human being than finding the big love and/or getting children?
Further as non-Monarchist, as not-as-strong-as-others-nationalist (I´m also not completely free from patriotic feelings) and as scientific interested person, I always wonder, if such things as countries, institutions etc. are really the things, that stays after the death of persons? Ok, I´m getting to philosophically :p
Just wanted to add, that I can also see, that it must be terribly hard to give up such a position. Above I´ve also mentioned the own nuclear family...of course in a Royal family (in most cases), this would also mean, that one would have to disappoint the Monarch, the own father/mother. And this would be terribly hard.
When Daniel would give up his gym businesses his Pappa probably would give only a shrug and would go on with his life, and Mamma Westling would probably call gladly her best friend, so that she would accompany her to a shopping tour (The in-law of the queen-to-be can´t run around like a frump )

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Normally in our world femals adopt to ther mans lifestyle with her it has to be different. But as Sweden is a very modern state this shouldn't be a problem even if I think it would be much easier for a guy who would be an ordinary employee than a business owner. If Vicky would marry a foreigner who relocates two Sweden this would be a lil bit easier as he already would make quite a big move. On the other hand side I think it would be ok for him to continue working if he would be employed at the IRS or something else. If he would be state employed the government could make him rest from work :)
Well, as I´ve said before, it shouldn´t be a problem. But I guess the feelings of the men haven´t changed completely and generally no one wants to feel useless and inferior. So I think it takes more than just to say "We live in 200X, don´t act as you would live in the stone age". IMO you are right, as employee things would be a little bit easier...but in the end I´m sure, one could also find a nice field for Daniel.
I think the biggest work needs to be done of Victoria self...when she would give him the feeling, that he would be just her doggy, then one can be sure, their relationship wouldn´t be very happy...and IMO she should already start now and should give him the feeling that she would give up everything for him...and she should be a little bit more carefully: interviews given in Turkey can also reach Swedish tabloids, and a certain gym owner, who says, that he reads the daily tabloids online after work But as usual...who am I to tell them that...and as I´ve said yesterday maybe these statements were just strategy and Daniel is aware of that...
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Old 06-16-2005, 04:11 PM
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This is a tricky poll. I have never been in love so I don't know if I would give up the throne. But if someone came along that I truely deeply loved I probably would. GO LOVE
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Old 06-16-2005, 04:14 PM
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I voted the throne. "Big loves" can come and go, but the throne should be more important than "love" for royals like Victoria.
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Old 06-16-2005, 04:21 PM
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This is a tricky poll. I have never been in love so I don't know if I would give up the throne. But if someone came along that I truely deeply loved I probably would. GO LOVE
Me neither :( ...at least not so strong, that I would have thought about staying together for the rest of the life and about getting children with the person. I even would say, that not many people have the luck to find THE big love, and many marry, because others do it and because they want to believe in a fairytale. But I´ve though not lost my hope, that THE big love can be (and is...for me :p ) out there. And I guess that was the point of the question to Victoria. I don´t think, that those guys were included, who were dated once or twice of her and who have gotten in her rating "ok" and "actually nice"
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Old 06-16-2005, 04:23 PM
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I voted the throne. "Big loves" can come and go, but the throne should be more important than "love" for royals like Victoria.
As I don´t really understand the ppl, who have voted "throne", I wonder why you think, that the throne is more important?
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Old 06-16-2005, 04:32 PM
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I would take the love. If I were crown princess, what could they do?
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Old 06-16-2005, 04:35 PM
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Now that I think on it, I'm not so sure I would want to exchange being the crown princess for gyms.:p
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Old 06-16-2005, 04:42 PM
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i vote love for Victoria and Daniel

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Old 06-16-2005, 04:56 PM
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Now that I think on it, I'm not so sure I would want to exchange being the crown princess for gyms.:p
Hahahaha, ok that´s a point. Well, she probably wouldn´t be too unhappy to change those "uncomfortable" business suits, dresses, the whole bits and pieces to a few comfy pairs of training pants

Well, I would say, when she really would be suddenly without a job, then she wouldn´t only help with the gyms (of course she would...and I guess she already does every now and then), but would also follow other things. She wouldn´t be overnight a nobody. As we see it with Johan Friso, a Royal out of the line to the throne can still play a role in the "public Royal family". She also would still have her connections. And as we have heard a few times she sometimes talks about working for the UN. This would then really work out. And when she would have enough of the limelight, she could buy herself a farm (also the money wouldn´t run short...her father would help her financially...or at least he would be forced to give her the legal portion of her inheritance...I think he even alrady had...to save taxes)
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Old 06-16-2005, 04:58 PM
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to fool them all and make it a big surprise
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Old 06-16-2005, 05:04 PM
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Me neither :( ...at least not so strong, that I would have thought about staying together for the rest of the life and about getting children with the person. I even would say, that not many people have the luck to find THE big love, and many marry, because others do it and because they want to believe in a fairytale. But I´ve though not lost my hope, that THE big love can be (and is...for me :p ) out there. And I guess that was the point of the question to Victoria. I don´t think, that those guys were included, who were dated once or twice of her and who have gotten in her rating "ok" and "actually nice"
Hey girls remember princess Lillian :) so ther is still enough time left No need to hurry
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Old 06-16-2005, 05:09 PM
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As I don´t really understand the ppl, who have voted "throne", I wonder why you think, that the throne is more important?
In principle, monarchies should be a pertuating institution that binds people together continuously throughout the years, through good times and bad times. Ultimately, an heir should have a good sense of duty, respect, and preservation for the monarchy and the people. Within those things is one's choice of mate. In my opinion ,the heir(-ess) should never choose someone that is controversial or one that the people generally find unacceptable. In my opinion choosing love over throne that shows a complete lack of judgement and disrespect for the people and the very institution throw which one's family has strived hard to help maintain.
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Old 06-16-2005, 05:13 PM
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Hey girls remember princess Lillian :) so ther is still enough time left No need to hurry
Very true...Lilian and Bertil were and are the epitome of a great love story. But if their way is a solution Well, it surely would be a third solution...sitting the whole thing out until the Monarch is too old resist, or already dead...or until an other more "liberal" government would be in power.
But I guess such plans aren´t directly favoured anymore. The gossip press is too effective...the best example are Camilla and Charles. One could say all ended in an happy end...but one could also say, that Charles could have spared himself, his family, Camilla & her family and the Monarchy a lot of trouble, when he would have made one of the two decisions ("love" or "throne")
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Old 06-16-2005, 05:52 PM
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I think nobody would have cared if he would have married her instead of Diana
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Old 06-16-2005, 05:56 PM
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I think nobody would have cared if he would have married here instead of Diana
Yes, probably...and in the end also no one would really care, when Victoria would marry Daniel. If he really helps to keep the monarchy is an other thing.
IMO the question is only, if Daniels and Victorias love is strong enough, and if he has an interest in becoming a prince...and if she has an interest to spend many more decades in sport stadiums
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Old 06-16-2005, 06:00 PM
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Well If i would be him I would not care if i would get prince or not. Going to sport stadiums would be nice for him he could get honory president of the sports association etc and have free entrance to all sport events :) Wouldn't that be a good deal for him?
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well I think she has been trained by her parents to regard the throne as most important so come one boys and girls and vot for the throne as it also would be Vickys solution. Or lets forumulate it mor positive: A guy who loves Victoria just can have Victoria with the throne and Sweden there is no just Victoria.
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Old 06-16-2005, 06:11 PM
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well I think she has been trained by her parents to regard the throne as most important so come one boys and girls and vot for the throne as it also would be Vickys solution. Or lets forumulate it mor positive: A guy who loves Victoria just can have Victoria with the throne and Sweden there is no just Victoria.
Tztztztztz...stop to undermine my poll, Mixer-darling. The TRF-members should vote, what THEY would do in such a situation.
And to come to your example of Victorias opinion: How do you know, that this is really her opinion/solution?


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Well If i would be him I would not care if i would get prince or not. Going to sport stadiums would be nice for him he could get honory president of the sports association etc and have free entrance to all sport events :) Wouldn't that be a good deal for him?
Hmm, don´t we know, that Dennism is a BIG soccer-fan *suspiciouslooking*


Danne has gotten an own entry in the Swedish version of Wikipedia! It says he was born in Almby/Örebro county...IMO quite far away from Ockelbo.
I would know more to add...but my Swedish is not sooooooo good. But maybe a Swede could help me.
http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Westling
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Old 06-16-2005, 06:11 PM
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I'm thinking about this another way; why would your 'beloved' be unacceptable? If he was a jailbird junkie (I've been using this description too much recently) then I wouldn't give up the throne. Your family, despite your protests, often knows best, so if they're unacceptable [your future husband] by their standards, chances are they're not a good catch.
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I agree with ALISA. The throne is way more important than love.

I expect Victoria becoming a Queen someday. And I think everyone does.
She has to carry on the family name I guess I should say. She was born to be a Queen and she will be one.

I don't think Carl Philip and Madeliene are trained to be future monarchs. So that would be a problem for Carl...
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