Victoria and Daniel's Relationship

[Stefanie]

With "other way round" I mean Louis and Tessy....

 

[lilytornado]

With "other way round" I mean Louis and Tessy....

Oh, now I understand....

 

[Duchess101]

Crown Princess Vivtoria

It is good that Crown Princess Victoria is not Rushing into Marriage

 

[Her_Majesty]

It is good that Crown Princess Victoria is not Rushing into Marriage

Well.. "rushing into marriage" doesn't describe the situation correctly for me.
How long are they dating now? Well, long enough, IMO.
Personally I would love to see Victoria finnaly marrying Daniel. It always looks a little weird to see her attending all these Royal events where the happily married couples attend together and only Victoria attends with Mummy and Daddy. For example: When Victoria attended the Opening of the Opera in Olso and arrived with Mette-Marit and Haakon she somehow looked like being completely at the wrong placed.

 

[Gita]

Daniel and Victoria have been dating for six years now, since early 2002.

 

[Vanesa]

I don't understand what is causing you so much happyness. The fact that a Crwonprincess is not marrying? Hmmmm. People from today is so weird.

A Crown princess (or a Crownprince) must marry in time to have children. They are all capricious little creatures that wants only have fun and do nothing. They are getting to much money to spent their whole time travelling, doing sport and living like young Stars from Hollywood. When they will understand they have duties?

And the more amazing af all things is they have supporters in young people, who believes that life is only fun, and doing whatever you wants.

Vanesa.

 

[Lena]

I don't understand what is causing you so much happyness. The fact that a Crwonprincess is not marrying? Hmmmm. People from today is so weird.

A Crown princess (or a Crownprince) must marry in time to have children. They are all capricious little creatures that wants only have fun and do nothing. They are getting to much money to spent their whole time travelling, doing sport and living like young Stars from Hollywood. When they will understand they have duties?

And the more amazing af all things is they have supporters in young people, who believes that life is only fun, and doing whatever you wants.

Vanesa.

I love posters with temperamento

Surely a woman of 31y. has still some time, surely Royals shouldn´t marry at 17 a by-parents-chosen partner as in the old times...but a little bit more backbone and "image adaption" couldn´t hurt.
I am noting with Victoria a weird development. While I´ve taken her in earlier years as positive example against "lazy cousin Fred", I am not seeing any point in doing that further.

She does some duties but less and mainly of the "jubilee here" and "ribbon cutting there" - kind. She did a lot more trips abroad until 2006. Now her last one to the UAE was most of all a tourist trip.
She studies at Stockholm university, but without ever aiming a degree...and without the ppl getting to know, what actually.
The court is doing extremely poor work and doesn´t encourage press contacts. If anyone is getting an interview, then either Svensk Damtidning or specialised mags. For the first one, she is answering questions the same way as years ago. And in the latter ones, she tells about her many "disabilities" If she is asked about Westling, she gets bitchy.
She repeats things like "I love children & animals so much", but doesn´t get children. Or "I don´t need luxury", but as it seems some nice trips to London or Verbier, she needs though. She pretends to be clumsy and silly, and points though out, how serious she is.

Heck, this woman (and she is a woman and not the little girl, she pretends to be) needs...
-a new PR strategy
-serious fields, she would work with (like e.g. Willem Alexander with water or MM&H with AIDS)
-and a partner...who would take the whole circus with humour and who would be a real support.

She seems with one word: frustrated. And if Westling is the reason, then drop em already

HAving similar features might be fine, Momma Westling´s traditional cuisine also, and not to speak of more intimate matters...but what does this help, if the love or whatever isn´t big enough to take some responsibility over?!

 

[Marengo]

Why would she need a new PR strategy? Isn't she generally appreciated in Sweden and is the image problem mainly just an issue at a few forums? Or is her popularity Sweden declining or did the Swedes recently say in a poll that they do not think she will trun out to be a good monarch?

 

[HRH Kerry]

As long as one of the siblings - Victoria, Carl Philip or Madeleine - gets married and have children, the succession will be secure. It doesn't have to be Victoria.

I thought they both said that they wouldn't marry first but wait on Victoria. I know I read that somewhere. Maybe the siblings didn't actually utter those words themselves but I did read it on the web.

 

[Boris]

CP Victoria's siblings never uttered a single word about whether they would get married before their older sister... they actually never said anything at all about their private life. You realize that 'The Web' is not exactly the most reliable source on this planet.
The problem with CP Victoria's image is that her role in the past few years has become less defined before, it's blurry at best with no clear profile. Like Lena mentioned, she seemed to go into a certain direction before, with quite a few solo trips abroad that included business issues, but these days the question what she actually stands for remains unanswered.
It would be easy for her to spezialize on whatever - a certain charity field, business issues, environment, the arts, anything - she could take her pick off the top but doesn't. Queen Silvia for example has a high profile based on her global charity work for abused children, besides just being Queen Consort. Marriage and children would change the CP's public image but not solve the problem of work agenda.
She's certainly much loved (...or rather very well liked) in Sweden but her boyfriend is not, I'd say. The Bernadotte's PR department never commented on their relationship, and this department is an infamously rude one, increasingly restricting the Royal Family's photo opportunities and self-promotion which of course is due to their Majestie's wishes in the end.
They're also increasingly incompetent when it comes to details - every Royal watcher could do a better job than they do with the Royal website's content and every 10 year old could do a better job with it technically, for example.
In her work AND in her relationship, CP Victoria seems to be totally stuck these days. There's an air of lack of both involvement and development in both areas which is quite overwhelming. If she and Daniel W. should decide to finally tie the knot, the aspect of romance would be totally missing as they have been appearing like partners of convenience for the longest time.
I wish CP Victoria a fresh start in many fields, which includes her private life.

 

[Franz]

Original posted by Lena
Surely a woman of 31y. has still some time...

Hej Lena, the crown princess is 30, not 31. With over 4000 TRF-posts you should know that.
And I dont think that the last trip to UAE was a tourist trip.

As far as I know CP Victoria participates like Willem Alexander in the stockholm-water-week since many years.

She seems to be everything else than frustrated.

 

[Lena]

Hej Lena, the crown princess is 30, not 31

Really
But with 3 months until her 31st birthday, she is closer to that, than with 9 months to her 30th birthday.
In some pics she even looks like 45

She gives a Prize to juniors once a year...is that serious water engagement for you?

BTW hadn´t you something with "mixer2002de" in your siggy...or am I mixing things up?

 

[Franz]

Hi Lena, 30 is 30 and not 31.

I have never seen a picture where she looks like 45, but I have seen hundreds of pictures where she looks like 20 or 25.

I have nothing to do with mixer2002de. Earlier I liked the mixer2002- comments until they lost the good points and became more and more offending (I remember one bloggtext about you, Lena). So I changed the bottomline signation into another good one.

 

[Marengo]

And we certainly appreciate the present signature, Franz. However I think it is best if the personal feelings towards other members are discussed elsewhere and not in public.

 

[Alison20]

It does always seem a little worrying to me when a couple are together for so long yet never quite get to the wedding. Okay, I know, it is not necessary to get married - for normal people. But if you are a Princess - particularly a crown princess - it is part of your duty (not a word that some people like).

I would not want her to marry Daniel just because they have been together so long. But if she is tied up with him, how will she meet someone else.

 

[LadyCat]

It could be that Daniel is the one not ready to enter the royal family just yet. Everyone keeps harping on Victoria for not getting married but maybe she is waiting for him to be ready. Being a sensible woman, I doubt she will wait too long.

I recall a post earlier in this thread where a psychic predicted a summer engagement announcement..... Well summer is growing closer all the time so we shouldn't have to wait much longer.

Cat

 

[Gita]

This couple will either marry or not. I feel that if they do not marry sometime in 2009 then they will never marry, I can not imagine them waiting until 2010 or later.

 

[Lena]

This couple will either marry or not.

Cheers for that! That´s the sentence summarising all...and with it, you can´t be wrong

I feel that if they do not marry sometime in 2009 then they will never marry, I can not imagine them waiting until 2010 or later.

But Gita...aren´t you saying that every year? I am believing to remember a similiar sentence with 2008 instead of 2009

Summer engagement...is for me still difficult to believe...this would either mean a winter wedding...or an engagement time of at least 10 months...and this would so not make sense with "Mr. businessman"

 

[Gita]

Cheers for that! That´s the sentence summarising all...and with it, you can´t be wrong

But Gita...aren´t you saying that every year? I am believing to remember a similiar sentence with 2008 instead of 2009

Summer engagement...is for me still difficult to believe...this would either mean a winter wedding...or an engagement time of at least 10 months...and this would so not make sense with "Mr. businessman"

Yes Lena I have been saying that about marriage between Crown Princess Victoria and Daniel Westling for nearly three years now! And I guess that I am very clever to have figured out that the pair will either marry or not.

But seriously I can not see Crown Princess Victoria and Daniel still dating two years from now without some sort of decision having not been made. By this I mean they will either decide to marry or separate.

 

[grevinnan]

Why is there an assumption that no decision has been made. Just because we are not informed about the timeline does not mean one has not been established. CP Victoria is just like the rest of the Bernadottes very concientious about the role she is destined to assume and would not be as "un"-official as she is with her relationship with Daniel unless he is the man she will spend the rest of her life with. The two is a couple and a very happy one according to photos from their many travels together. The marriage will happen according to their schedule. They know what is right for them and will proceed accordingly.

 

[scooter62986]

Well I think its about time to decide. I'm sure CP knows what she wants, and by that I mean kids and him. If she wants children she needs to really think about it cause she's not getting younger. Personally I don't care for these Hollywood stars are having kids at 40, its not healthy, nor safe for the child and mother.

 

[Lena]

Why is there an assumption that no decision has been made

Because she had said -several times - that she would tell at once, if they would be engaged. And some kind of "In 2010 or so we will marry, dear" is an engagement for me.

Further I´d assume, that the court would work with his public image. He is no Letizia, one would pull ouf of the top hat like a bunny. I mean he is no surprise to anyone...probably even the most rural living farmer of Jämtland knows, that they are/were an item.
So I´d assume, that they would spread at least little hints...but there are not the slightest hints, that the process of "Royalisation" is supported by the Royal family or the court.
And as long as Victoria would answer "my breakfast" bang: sorry) on the question, what she would miss most at trips abroad (here the one to the UAE), I am not keen to assume any top secret timeline

But ok...for all we know, they could have had an lavish engagement party with their friends. After all the Swedish press is really lousy and mainly copying these days...and the court is also everything, but competent.
And if he would now finally come to Borgholm for the "official birthday party", I´d join "the club of secret timeline"

But seriously I can not see Crown Princess Victoria and Daniel still dating two years from now without some sort of decision having not been made. By this I mean they will either decide to marry or seperate.

Yes, I guess I am agreeing here.
If she wouldn´t marry in summer 2009, she would be older than most Crown Princesses and Princesses of this generation at their weddings...and also older than her mother (though just a couple of months)
After 7-8 years of dating there would be no point of waiting any longer.
Of course it could be, that it doesn´t work with Westling in the end...but if she isn´t completely "ignorant" and only half as "concientious" as grevinnan says, she would/should know that by now and would/should "signalise", that she is on the market again. She hasn´t time for the "baby production" forever...and I don´t think, that she is the "Hollywood type", who marries someone with "open end" and who goes in her late 30ties to the IVF pros for fraternal twins...

 

[grevinnan]

Victoria has said she will tell when they get engaged - that is different from telling the world they have decided to eventually get engaged.

 

[ruthieviews]

ruthieviews

I don't think I've ever seen people so interested in someone's reproductive system. I know CP Victoria is part of the Swedish Royal Family, but that doesn't mean the world at large is entitled to opine on her ability to have children or the methods she may use. It's bad enough that we all speculate on her expected engagement and marriage, but to disect her childbearing options is too intrusive.

I read once that upon meeting Daniel Westling, she told her mother that she had met the man she wanted to spend the rest of her life with. Given that I think we can safely say that she does plan to spend her life with him. For reasons none of us can fathom, they haven't declared themselves as yet. Until they do, we can only speculate and hope.

So...we must comfort ourselves with speculation about an engagement and subsequent marriage. And we must stop all the discussion about her fertility. It is unseemly and intrusive at this point. After they finally marry, then we can speculate furiously about heirs. Let's play fair.

 

[Lena]

I read once that upon meeting Daniel Westling, she told her mother that she had met the man she wanted to spend the rest of her life with.

After that Silvia ran to her mobile phone immediately and called TT ( an big news agency), which spread this happy news
Silvia would never ever tell such things to the press, probably even not to friends...as things could still leak.

 

[Stefanie]

This case is just so interesting because Viktoria will be the first future Queen in the latest history of royalty who seems to marry a commoner. And as I posted long before since this case is already kind of "problematic" than what will happen if all the other future Queens (and there will be a lot as we know!) are going to marry? And it´s for sure that not all of them, even less of them, will marry a noble man.
We still don´t know whether Daniel will get a title or stay as Mr. Daniel Westling. This is another fact that has to be decided. I´m very curious how this will all end up. In my German ears "Prince Daniel" sounds very ridiculous like a carnival-prince so I´d prefer him to stay "Mr. Westling".
Another question is of course why this all lasts so long and no engagement is announced so far. To speculate about the reasons is also very interesting to me. IMO it´s on Silvia to find a solution. I have the feeling that she´s the one who just doesn´t want a commoner as a son-in-law.
On the occasion of C-G´s 60th birthday they interviewed a swedish journalist about the fact, that all the three children have swedish commoners as friends and the journalist stated that some Swedes are a bit disappointed of that. And since the Swedish monarchy has a very low key meaning nowadays it might be the more important for Viktoria to upgrade the monarchy by marrying the "right" man.....

 

[Lena]

In my German ears "Prince Daniel" sounds very ridiculous like a carnival-prince so I´d prefer him to stay "Mr. Westling".

True. But actually it´s the same with "Silvia"...the perfect name for a "wine queen" from Heidelberg...but a name for a real queen? But in the end, we got used to it...it was just the same with Sonja.
Herr Westling (or any other Swedish surname) somehow degrades him to a "breeding bull" for my feeling. For me the solution of a Duke (Hertig) sounds best.
Weirdly enough I am somehow sharing the theory on Silvia. I think she is realistic enough to remember, where she was coming from...but is also not willing to accept "every commoner"...esp. if there is the danger of this marriage not working, because the commoner isn´t willing to adapt...and adaption is something she is a pro in (Swedish language aside )
In the end it´s probably a mix of many factors...I guess none of them shouted "horray!" at the idea of "Daniel, the Royal"...probably also not Victoria. I guess she enjoyed their little "Svensson life" to the fullest.

However...today I´ve realised, that they must be now longer together than the Earl and Countess of Wessex before their wedding...and I´ve always thought, that they had dated sooooo long and that none can break their record.

 

[Marengo]

Well, technically both Prince Claus as Prince Henrik were commoners, as both France as Germany doesn't aknowledge titles. Apart from that Claus was of the lowest nobility possible and the claims of nobility for Henriks family are rather shaky.

Prince Daniel of Sweden might sound strange (not stranger than a Prince Gabriël of Belgium IMO) but I think we have had worse things over the last years, Princess Anita, Aimee, Annette, Máxima, Mabel and Laurentien in the Netherlands for example (not to speak of Ariane) and princess Mette-Marit and even a Queen Sonja in Norway. All not very traditional names but we have gotten used to most of them. Though I am certainly hope we can prevent a Princess Chelsy

 

[Stefanie]

Yes, but in contrast to all the names you listed, Daniel will be much more in the limelight: Neither Claus nor Henrik got a title by their wives. IMO it´s different whether you were born as a count like Henrik and just change into a prince whereas Daniel has to change from a commoner into a prince or so. It´s all "normal" for common women to change into princess when they marry a prince but it´s a novum with Daniel. And I fear there is another problem: I have the feeling that Daniel doesn´t want a royal title at all! And I feel that it´s just impossible for the Swedish administration and the royal household to accept that. Viktoria will IMO be also measured what kind of husband she´s able to "get", perhaps even more than her male collegues. I know we live in modern times but it´s still easier the other way round I fear.

 

[Marengo]

Claus was an untitled noble and as I said, the count-part of Henriks family has been contested. Some say they are not allowed to use the title at all. In any case it is a long way up to a von Amsberg or a shady French county to a prince-consort title, almost as long as for any other untitled person.

Personally i think what makes most difference is not the title or even background of Daniel/ other Prince consorts but the education and esp. the choise of carreer. Both Claus and Henrik were high educated diplomats for example while Daniel is a businessman (not that that is a problem but it is a major difference).