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Old 04-03-2008, 03:02 PM
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Would Sweden "allow" Victoria to have a child and not be married who would be in line for the Crown???
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Old 04-04-2008, 07:48 AM
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Under Swedish law as with the UK an heir to the throne must be legitimate - born inside wedlock to be able to inherit the throne.
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Old 04-14-2008, 11:32 PM
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Crown Prince Felipe and Crown Prince Frederik were 36 and 35 respectively around the times of their wedding. I was not on the forum at this time so I was wondering was there the same pesimism aurrounding their situation? She is only 31!
I realise she is the future of the monarchy and it is expected of her to marry and have children. However she is still young and does well at her engagements without a consort trailing behind. If she wants marriage and children then I sincerely hope it happens for her, she deserves haappiness. However I personally don't see her being unwed as a negative, just the way her life is at the moment. She is not an only child, she has a younger brother and sister who can also produce new generation of the royal family.
But Felipe and Frederik didn't have to give birth. Letiza was 31 (almost 32 when she married Felipe) and Mary was 32 when she married Frederik) If Victoria were to wait until she was 36, pregnancy would be increasingly difficult and harder for her (especially a first pregnancy)

Honestly, it seems to me like now would be a wise time for her to decide either way when it comes to Daniel.
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Old 04-15-2008, 07:14 AM
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I think that it´s obvious that Victoria and Daniel will marry, othervise she wouldn´t have stayed in the relationship for this long, but for some reason they choose to wait a little with the wedding, and for that reason we can only guess. I belive that they will marry next year and that they have waited beacuse Victoria wants to make a few more studies and that Daniel want´s to do a little more buisness with his gyms before he sells them, or that they feel that they aren´t ready for children right now - beacuse they know that when they marry the people and the press will expect a pregnancy almost right away... This is what i belive anyway.
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Old 04-15-2008, 12:44 PM
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Nowadays it´s not unusual to give birth at the age of 38 or later: Princess Alexia of Greece started her first pregnancy at the age of 36 and had her last (and fourth!) baby with 42. And I´m sure she´ll have a fifth one...
IMO it´s Queen Silvia who still hopes for a better match. And therefore she encourages Victoria on and on to start another practica or learn another language or so to keep her away from marrying Daniel....
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Old 04-15-2008, 01:07 PM
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No, it is not unusual,and it is not impossible for Victoria to have children late in life. But it is getting harder as she is getting older, of course she can have a baby with 40, but it also can be very difficult, much more difficult then for the male crownprinces with younger wives.
Prince Philippe is will be father again now with 48... I don't think Victoria would think that this would be possible for her.
Of course it is a long time until she is that old... But IMO she should decide what she wants. If she wants to marry Daniel anyway, why wait?
And if she doesn't, why stay together? You would think the courtship was long enough. If she doesn't know by now...
Of course, the reason for them not marrrying could also be Victoria's parents.
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Of course Viktoria will have Nannys to take care of her children. So this is one reason why she doesn´t need to have a family in the next, let´s say, five years.
I made the experience that it´s no good to marry a partner you know already for many years. In my circle of friends most of those marriages ended shortly after the wedding!
But today Grand Duchess Maria Teresa may talk about that theme with Queen Silvia since the Ducal house of Luxembourg has the problem the other way round....
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Old 04-15-2008, 01:33 PM
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As long as one of the siblings - Victoria, Carl Philip or Madeleine - gets married and have children, the succession will be secure. It doesn't have to be Victoria.
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Old 04-15-2008, 01:39 PM
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Of course Viktoria will have Nannys to take care of her children. So this is one reason why she doesn´t need to have a family in the next, let´s say, five years.
I made the experience that it´s no good to marry a partner you know already for many years. In my circle of friends most of those marriages ended shortly after the wedding!
But today Grand Duchess Maria Teresa may talk about that theme with Queen Silvia since the Ducal house of Luxembourg has the problem the other way round....
No, I don't think so. Guillaume is only 26. None of the male heirs married that early.
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Old 04-15-2008, 01:41 PM
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As long as one of the siblings - Victoria, Carl Philip or Madeleine - gets married and have children, the succession will be secure. It doesn't have to be Victoria.
Of course that is true. But somehow I get the impression that Victoria WANTS to have children. She is always so nice with them, f. i. , playing with Christian at his christening, or talking to Maud Angelica during the Birthday celebrations in Norway. She seems to really like children. Of course I could be wrong.
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Old 04-15-2008, 02:01 PM
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With "other way round" I mean Louis and Tessy....
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Old 04-15-2008, 02:06 PM
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With "other way round" I mean Louis and Tessy....
Oh, now I understand....
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It is good that Crown Princess Victoria is not Rushing into Marriage



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It is good that Crown Princess Victoria is not Rushing into Marriage
Well.. "rushing into marriage" doesn't describe the situation correctly for me.
How long are they dating now? Well, long enough, IMO.
Personally I would love to see Victoria finnaly marrying Daniel. It always looks a little weird to see her attending all these Royal events where the happily married couples attend together and only Victoria attends with Mummy and Daddy. For example: When Victoria attended the Opening of the Opera in Olso and arrived with Mette-Marit and Haakon she somehow looked like being completely at the wrong placed.
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Old 04-18-2008, 11:37 AM
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Daniel and Victoria have been dating for six years now, since early 2002.
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I don't understand what is causing you so much happyness. The fact that a Crwonprincess is not marrying? Hmmmm. People from today is so weird.

A Crown princess (or a Crownprince) must marry in time to have children. They are all capricious little creatures that wants only have fun and do nothing. They are getting to much money to spent their whole time travelling, doing sport and living like young Stars from Hollywood. When they will understand they have duties?

And the more amazing af all things is they have supporters in young people, who believes that life is only fun, and doing whatever you wants.

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I don't understand what is causing you so much happyness. The fact that a Crwonprincess is not marrying? Hmmmm. People from today is so weird.

A Crown princess (or a Crownprince) must marry in time to have children. They are all capricious little creatures that wants only have fun and do nothing. They are getting to much money to spent their whole time travelling, doing sport and living like young Stars from Hollywood. When they will understand they have duties?

And the more amazing af all things is they have supporters in young people, who believes that life is only fun, and doing whatever you wants.

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Surely a woman of 31y. has still some time, surely Royals shouldn´t marry at 17 a by-parents-chosen partner as in the old times...but a little bit more backbone and "image adaption" couldn´t hurt.
I am noting with Victoria a weird development. While I´ve taken her in earlier years as positive example against "lazy cousin Fred", I am not seeing any point in doing that further.

She does some duties but less and mainly of the "jubilee here" and "ribbon cutting there" - kind. She did a lot more trips abroad until 2006. Now her last one to the UAE was most of all a tourist trip.
She studies at Stockholm university, but without ever aiming a degree...and without the ppl getting to know, what actually.
The court is doing extremely poor work and doesn´t encourage press contacts. If anyone is getting an interview, then either Svensk Damtidning or specialised mags. For the first one, she is answering questions the same way as years ago. And in the latter ones, she tells about her many "disabilities" If she is asked about Westling, she gets bitchy.
She repeats things like "I love children & animals so much", but doesn´t get children. Or "I don´t need luxury", but as it seems some nice trips to London or Verbier, she needs though. She pretends to be clumsy and silly, and points though out, how serious she is.

Heck, this woman (and she is a woman and not the little girl, she pretends to be) needs...
-a new PR strategy
-serious fields, she would work with (like e.g. Willem Alexander with water or MM&H with AIDS)
-and a partner...who would take the whole circus with humour and who would be a real support.

She seems with one word: frustrated. And if Westling is the reason, then drop em already
HAving similar features might be fine, Momma Westling´s traditional cuisine also, and not to speak of more intimate matters...but what does this help, if the love or whatever isn´t big enough to take some responsibility over?!
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Why would she need a new PR strategy? Isn't she generally appreciated in Sweden and is the image problem mainly just an issue at a few forums? Or is her popularity Sweden declining or did the Swedes recently say in a poll that they do not think she will trun out to be a good monarch?
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As long as one of the siblings - Victoria, Carl Philip or Madeleine - gets married and have children, the succession will be secure. It doesn't have to be Victoria.

I thought they both said that they wouldn't marry first but wait on Victoria. I know I read that somewhere. Maybe the siblings didn't actually utter those words themselves but I did read it on the web.
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Old 04-19-2008, 05:50 AM
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CP Victoria's siblings never uttered a single word about whether they would get married before their older sister... they actually never said anything at all about their private life. You realize that 'The Web' is not exactly the most reliable source on this planet.
The problem with CP Victoria's image is that her role in the past few years has become less defined before, it's blurry at best with no clear profile. Like Lena mentioned, she seemed to go into a certain direction before, with quite a few solo trips abroad that included business issues, but these days the question what she actually stands for remains unanswered.
It would be easy for her to spezialize on whatever - a certain charity field, business issues, environment, the arts, anything - she could take her pick off the top but doesn't. Queen Silvia for example has a high profile based on her global charity work for abused children, besides just being Queen Consort. Marriage and children would change the CP's public image but not solve the problem of work agenda.
She's certainly much loved (...or rather very well liked) in Sweden but her boyfriend is not, I'd say. The Bernadotte's PR department never commented on their relationship, and this department is an infamously rude one, increasingly restricting the Royal Family's photo opportunities and self-promotion which of course is due to their Majestie's wishes in the end.
They're also increasingly incompetent when it comes to details - every Royal watcher could do a better job than they do with the Royal website's content and every 10 year old could do a better job with it technically, for example.
In her work AND in her relationship, CP Victoria seems to be totally stuck these days. There's an air of lack of both involvement and development in both areas which is quite overwhelming. If she and Daniel W. should decide to finally tie the knot, the aspect of romance would be totally missing as they have been appearing like partners of convenience for the longest time.
I wish CP Victoria a fresh start in many fields, which includes her private life.
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