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Old 07-24-2015, 01:22 PM
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The Swedish Monarchy under Victoria; Suggestions and Musings

The day will come when Victoria ascends to the throne. After reading threads about the constitutional change and the popularity of the Bernadottes, I was wondering what may change, especially with any republican sentiment in Sweden. Would there be a bigger push to end the monarchy?

Also, if the monarchy were to stay, my guess it would, would the SRF be streamlined or still keep its 3-tier system? That is the main royal family (sovereign, consort & child(ren) & spouses), the ones with titles but no official duties, and the last with no titles and no official duties?

Lastly, would Victoria have a coronation or sort of a swearing in like Carl Gustaf had when he became king? Will Daniel's title become Prince Consort? Would Estelle be officially proclaimed crown princess? I was wondering if Sweden a real grand event because the last queen regnant was in 1720.

And, given what we know about Victoria - what would be her royal motto?
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Old 07-24-2015, 01:38 PM
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The day will come when Victoria ascends to the throne. After reading threads about the constitutional change and the popularity of the Bernadottes, I was wondering what may change, especially with any republican sentiment in Sweden. Would there be a bigger push to end the monarchy?

Also, if the monarchy were to stay, my guess it would, would the SRF be streamlined or still keep its 3-tier system? That is the main royal family (sovereign, consort & child(ren) & spouses), the ones with titles but no official duties, and the last with no titles and no official duties?

Lastly, would Victoria have a coronation or sort of a swearing in like Carl Gustaf had when he became king? Will Daniel's title become Prince Consort? Would Estelle be officially proclaimed crown princess? I was wondering if Sweden a real grand event because the last queen regnant was in 1720.

And, given what we know about Victoria - what would be her royal motto?
I don't see Victoria's accession leading to a surge in republicanism in Sweden. Actually, the opposite is probably more likely as she is far more popular than her father.

On the issue of titles, right now, it looks like all legitimate descendants of King Carl XVI Gustaf who are not by law excluded from the line of succession automatically become HRHs. Over time, that is not sustainable as the number of HRHs would grow exponentially. Other countries (e.g the Netherlands, Norway, Denmark, and even Spain and the UK) have rules (in some countries stricter than in others) that narrow down who can or cannot be an HRH. I assume that Sweden (or, for that matter, Belgium, which has a similar problem) will have to do something similar at some point.

On the formalities of the accession, I suppose it will be pretty much the same ritual that was used when Carl Gustaf became king, i.e. Victoria will be sworn in before a Council of State and will then deliver a formal, separate speech (hopefully from the Silver Throne) in the palace, with the State Crown and other regalia on the side. I definitely don't expect a coronation, as no Swedish king has been crowned since Oscar II in 1873.



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Old 07-24-2015, 03:54 PM
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In all four countries which saw an abdication: the Netherlands, the Holy See, Belgium and Spain, it caused a boost in the approval. That is why the pathetic fear for an abdication in the UK is pretty overreacted.


There will be no coronation as only the United Kingdom has such a ceremony. Even the Holy See does not know any coronation at all anymore.
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On the issue of titles, right now, it looks like all legitimate descendants of King Carl XVI Gustaf who are not by law excluded from the line of succession automatically become HRHs. Over time, that is not sustainable as the number of HRHs would grow exponentially. Other countries (e.g the Netherlands, Norway, Denmark, and even Spain and the UK) have rules (in some countries stricter than in others) that narrow down who can or cannot be an HRH. I assume that Sweden (or, for that matter, Belgium, which has a similar problem) will have to do something similar at some point.
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I remember someone on another board here mentioning that maybe future grandchildren out of the main lines in Belgium, Sweden, etc. may choose to self-limit the HRH by simply not seeking official permission to marry. That would result in any children not having the HRH without needing new legislation.
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Daniel will became H.R.H. Prince Consort or H.R.H. Prince Daniel of Sweden (as like Prince Claus or Prince Bernhard) ?
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On the issue of titles, right now, it looks like all legitimate descendants of King Carl XVI Gustaf who are not by law excluded from the line of succession automatically become HRHs. Over time, that is not sustainable as the number of HRHs would grow exponentially. Other countries (e.g the Netherlands, Norway, Denmark, and even Spain and the UK) have rules (in some countries stricter than in others) that narrow down who can or cannot be an HRH. I assume that Sweden (or, for that matter, Belgium, which has a similar problem) will have to do something similar at some point.
Or you can put it another way. If the main principle is that the legitimate descendants of the reigning king/queen will become HRH's, that's another thing. We can guess that there might be a few more grandkids to Carl XIV Gustav, but then things will quiet down for a while. By the time this next generation is old enough to have kids, it's most likely Victoria who is monarch. That means that only Oscar and Estelles kids would be HRH's.
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